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I think speculation that "True Love" is probably a boon in a game about love is pretty sound speculation. I don't think that any of the further speculation that I've skimmed is sound (in particular, assuming you know what your upgrade is because there was a similar upgrade in a past game) - I think it moves the needle on Senpai's alignment closer to town but don't really agree with everything else.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I liked this post.In post 49, morph the cat wrote:it's not yet a townread. Just a hope.
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What was your initial thought with this?
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This is a reasonable approach to me and probably the path that I'm going to be taking.In post 70, Devils Gear wrote:just wait until we have more alignment indicative content to inform our decision.
I mean maybe the flavor speculation or the activation speculation is correct and that's cool but I just prefer to give goodies to the people who are making the most significant positive impact on the game (whether they want it or not). Nothing else will factor into my decision unless someone makes Tammy laugh or something.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't think that morph and Burning could be scum together based on this exchange.In post 83, morph the cat wrote:
You think you're likely fool me about who's posting?In post 76, Burning Hatred wrote:We are burning hatred. Whether it be GIF or me, our hatred burns the same.
Chances are this observation will turn out to be completely useless since morph seems fairly town in their own right from the hopeful interactions with GiF alone, but there's always a chance that ffery's absence was spent in a Tibetan Mafia Monastery and her glorious return will be her steamrolling all of us who thought she was an easy read before and in that situation this is still not likely to be useful because we've been fucked from the beginning.
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HS mentioned gutpings on morph so far. If you're trying to engage with them, why not ask them to elaborate?
Why drop it here?In post 84, Lovebirds wrote:I really don't see what's to like about 58/60 but whatever.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Claiming bulletproof to save protective roles also doesn't actually make sense, but we're not talking about thatIn post 95, Lovebirds wrote:uhhhhh I dislike this post it looks good at face value but it seems most like a claim to get towny points if anything because if you sit and look at it for a moment what comes to my mind is A) Why claim right away and not later in the day there's no need to do it right away B) You could've waited to see if you were scummy or not because if others viewed you as scummy no need to out yourself and save the other "protective" roles
I appreciate that you pointed out problems with the claim in thread, though - I myself deliberated on whether I'd poke at it or not and ultimately decided not to because wanted to give mastina room to do her thing but I'd imagine that people who had issues with the claim are less likely to be in a scum/town scum/scum relationship with the slot.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't see the ploy exactly! Mind talking to me about it?In post 96, Lovebirds wrote:ohhhhh so this is what you were going for lol okay I see the ploy here.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Why?In post 128, Scott and Ramona wrote:Town leaning Morph and Burning Hatred right now.
I think sometimes I have the tendencies to townread people for being active and around; do you have anything interesting on them that proves you're not falling into the same trap that I often do?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't think so - he very obviously wasn't proposing a plan to skip on the goodies so I don't necessarily understand the angle you're taking here.In post 129, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Uhhh... Yet it's not scummy for Burning Hatred to want no one to have it?
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I like the hydra walking back on this.In post 135, Clumsy Phoenix wrote:Now that I'm back home, I've read things a bit more carefully, and I don't think this is as great for this hydra as I thought. Still good, but not what I thought.
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In post 138, Burning Hatred wrote:I mean I'm a pinnacle of town so I understand the townread on me but why on morph?
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I think your confidence level is too high unless you're not showing us part of your process. I find that moderators actively try to avoid repeating the same tricks they've used in the past; do you disagree or is it something that all three of them loved so much that they jammed it into Alisae's game?In post 141, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I am about 80% certain that if we get the true love mechanic we'll be made into an Innocent Child.
In Memory had Creature as public flavour, and my role there gave people boosts when I neighbored with them. When I neighbored with Creature's public flavour it made him an Innocent Child.
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I think Jae believes that Hatred's vote for No One is a permanent one.In post 152, Lovebirds wrote:whichever-part-of-NMS was all noncommittal with their reads here.
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Do you have any reads or are you gonna make Chickadee do all of the heavy lifting for you?
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This gave me hope that the vote was temporary.In post 130, Burning Hatred wrote:I have to be wary
Because the first few rl days are VERY important to me.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I like this rebuttal.In post 159, Scott and Ramona wrote:And here the underlined is just ew. Yes, both scum could in fact be doing the same thing. I hate "but would scum really so that" kind of arguments, since scum typically use the logic of "Town will never think we would do this!" And then the bolded contradicts the previous statement about them thinking there could be risk involved.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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the nomination vote for no oneIn post 198, Burning Hatred wrote:
Which vote?In post 194, Imperium wrote:
This gave me hope that the vote was temporary.In post 130, Burning Hatred wrote:I have to be wary
Because the first few rl days are VERY important to me.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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guess it was only a matter of time before you rolled scum against me again :/In post 199, Sword of Damocles wrote:Hi everyone!
I've read up to page 3, but May be aloof for a few days. Sorry about that!
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Ah. I saw but my tired brain failed to process.In post 202, Scott and Ramona wrote:Did you not see the question posed to the mod and the confusion on Alisae's part? There was for a brief time some implication that something could happen to everyone if the votes were equal. That's another reason I'm leaning town on Burning Hatred.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I know these types of things are difficult to explain, but could you direct me to a couple phrases or posts that you liked? What did you think of their readslist? What did you think of their big shitposts telling Lovebirds and Senpai that their approach to the mechanics were bad?In post 202, Scott and Ramona wrote:Morph is mostly a gut read.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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you once townread an active player?In post 205, Burning Hatred wrote:I once did that when I was in SoS hydra in that phoenix wright game.
It was glorious.
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i'm interpreting this to mean that you knew i'd call you scum because you are scum and you knew i'd stare into your soulIn post 210, Sword of Damocles wrote:I knew that you'd say this
you don't have to be high energy or high commitment - would never ask something like that from you
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Where did you end up on Scott and Ramona?In post 213, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:It's kind of sad that it's 11:30pm and I'm hopefully hovering around on my phone in bed hoping that Nacho has more questions for me.
This is what happens when mastina has no time to bounce things around with me. I get needy and leech off someone else's partner for my attempts to get a feel for my reads. =P
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Could you explain this position a bit more?In post 215, Scott and Ramona wrote:Yeah and this isn't like that at all. It's also the most optimal play given the game state.
I feel like you could quite possibly be the only person who believes this currently which could be incredibly dangerous if you're the only one who's right.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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well you're not gonna get anything because:In post 222, Burning Hatred wrote:Actually, Scott, what is YOUR analysis of the current game state?
I want yours, not Ramora's.
unless you think he just secretly hates my guts or somethingIn post 215, Scott and Ramona wrote:I have reads. I'm not going to share them anytime soon though.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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if it wasn't extremely important that i give this game my undivided attention then i'd flip that arrow upside down.In post 225, Burning Hatred wrote:
That is entirely possible.In post 224, Imperium wrote:unless you think he just secretly hates my guts or somethingA hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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that could be the case!In post 226, Burning Hatred wrote:I mean, Scott clearly doesn't have any reads, or he wouldn't have had not nominating anyone as an optimal play.
or he has an interesting thought.
i hope he has an interesting thought because i'm thinking it will probably get me some company on this "Scott & Ramona might be town" island I'm currently residing on.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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my townread on the slot feels more substantial than "i'm townreading you because of who is in your slot".In post 229, Burning Hatred wrote:I too like assuming all the lynchbaits to be town first.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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i'm referencing the no one vote in particularIn post 235, Imperium wrote:do you think it's likely that LUV would contradict a couple key stances of his partner in the way that he did if she was the carrying head and they were scum?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't necessarily disagree with this. I think I'm more amendable to gambling on "nominate a player for mechanic Day 1" type of things just because I think it's shitty design to fuck town over for going something early and not really putting out warning signs for them not to do it but that's a personal philosophy and not necessarily reflected by others.In post 243, Scott and Ramona wrote:It's a gamble that we don't need to make.
There's also the "this is a love game and true love is cute!" factor but I somehow find this even less compelling than the other reason.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I would very much appreciate some quotes!In post 239, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I was hoping to bounce that with mastina but if you're around and want to check my work I can throw some quotes at you?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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And this is because it's something you personally can fake as scum or am I supposed to be picking up on a different implication?In post 245, Burning Hatred wrote:I MAY be biased regarding what Scott is posting.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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#109 is a good post to townread; ffery is less comfortable playing scum than town and playing scum for her first time back would be less than ideal. she'd have to navigate a number of different threats (Tammy/GiF/me are the three that come to mind and we all read her in different ways) and so her making that joke about carrying Cabd is ~probably~ not something she does unless she's feeling super good about navigating that particular minefield.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I thought #125 was evidence of her actually trying to sort GiF (that line coupled with the "it's not a townread. it's a hope." line were the two pieces of the interactions with GiF that I really liked). I'm not really sure how she'd handle that interaction as scum so I can't nod along as emphatically to this one but I think her faking paranoia on GiF there as scum would probably come across as a bit more fake, a bit more flat.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I liked the townbin comment for its general confidence; it's that edge and satisfaction and finality to a ffery read that I expect sometimes. I think this is the thing she'd be most comfortable faking as scum.
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one of these things is not like the others, but otherwise i liked this post overall!In post 258, Sword of Damocles wrote:Getting weird pings from a lot of Imperium posts (176, 185, 216)A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Hi!
Tammy head popping in to say hi, we're town (that's for gif ), and bye.
I'm really busy right now, so nacho will be the driver for probably about half of day one. I'll try to pop in here and there when I can though! Just don't expect to see me or much of me for a few real life days.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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So, first up what was holding onto in the neighborhood in case Andy was scum and our other neighbor was scum too is this: viewtopic.php?p=9032231#p9032231
I was interested in Maria's response and interaction to the contradiction argument because she contradicts herself about her meta and this is part of what got her mislynched in DragonBall Z. I thought her reaction when it was pointed out in that game looked decently town and I wanted to see if it would be similar here and maybe get a better read on her. Was going to discuss this in the neighborhood, but I'll not be posting in there anymore this game, so here it is.
Yesterday I was going to out that we were in a neighborhood when it became clear that the neighborhood just was not going to work out, but Nacho's so sweet and trusting, his response when I got annoyed was Cabd is only concerned we're going to get mislynched and doesn't want that to happen.
For the record, yes we read your slot as town and it's been an ongoing thing that we've been discussing. Nacho did read you as decently town early and keeps backing that up with just not believing that this would be your scum game when coming back from not playing for over a year or whatever. I've also thought your early game looked town but mostly Cabd's play here and in the neighborhood has looked town. My town read on you guys solidified yesterday when you morphed into pompous cat and killed any desire I had to post in the neighborhood.
What they're leaving out is how upfront I've been about how busy and sick I've been. The game started Sunday night after I was in bed, but not before the neighborhood was opened. I was busy as fuck on Monday and had absolutely no plans to do anything with this game on Monday, but because I *was* excited as fuck to be in a neighborhood with them, Monday night while at pool league, I squeezed time in between pool games at a fucking pool hall to at least skim the game so I could at least have an idea of what was going on in this game and be able to post in the neighborhood. Sorting the neighborhood is the biggest priority we have, and I at least wanted to do something since neighborhood. Nacho only posted here Tuesday morning because I begged him to; he had other plans for what he was going to do that day but I asked him to make this a priority because I was excited to be playing this game and in that particular neighborhood. I was sick on Tuesday but checked the neigbhorhood and saw the cabd talking about his scum read on you; I felt and posted that the way he was going about it felt more like him being town. Yesterday I was sick in bed and busy elsewhere but I checked in here and saw Lovebirds response to their scum read and read it and gave some thoughts because again I *was* excited to be in a neighborhood with them and I thought I'd give as much time and energy I could possibly expend to at least do something there.
I cannot be a thread presence right now and if it weren't for the fact that I was just really happy to be in a neighborhood with people I thought I was going to enjoy playing with, I wouldn't even have read as much as I've read so far this game. I don't even really have the time to type this out, but now you know where I'm coming from here.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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If you're talking about the one yesterday, well considering it turned me off completely to the neighborhood because it felt pompous as fuck and nacho took it as you just being concerned he's going to get mislynched maybe you should have added a whip or something. Or maybe we just don't bow down to you. I think you both should sure as shit know that's probably not the best way to go about it.In post 397, morph the cat wrote:I was gonna snark back, but let me take a step back here.
We tried to somewhat with the "get into the main thread" post so that we could discuss it in the appropriate location. Nacho's response of "nah imma keep doing my own thing" didn't exactly help with our paranoia.
If you're talking about the one Monday night when you knew we were at Pool league, when I told you we wouldn't have time to post, when you knew that I was at least reading games in between playing games, well you know where to stick it. We don't typically play mafia while playing pool unless there's an urgent need. The only only reason why I bothered was because neighborhood and wanted to sort it.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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And there was absolutely nothing preventing you from trying to sort nacho in the neighborhood or talk to him. You acting like it is is utter silliness and you know better. And considering that nacho was specifically looking for something from member number three in the neighborhood you know that you can try to sort there.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Oh Andy concerning your response to them, which is only partially read because I didn't read their initial case.
I thought that the early way you went about your response to cabd felt a bit like you were trying to discredit him like the way you did when I suspected you in the thing. The accusation that cabd is jealous of you felt that way too. But I thought that the way you were talking down to him sounded town like the way you treated me in laundry mafia. I thought that you coming down on them as the side of town after giving me that contradictory feeling was weird. Ultimately I didn't know what to make of your reaction there.
Early game I was concerned that you seemed to be playing up to us a bit when GIF was voting for us. I don't think you have a clue how to read either one of us, so your assertion that you even know how after how laundry mafia played out felt really weird. Nacho said that you always think you can read him when you can't though. I though that Maria wanting to get reads before you posted so she wouldn't be influenced by your reads looked good. I didn't really like the way she attacked jaestina for claiming though.
I thought it was weird that Jaestina thought there were protectives even though they were bulletproof.
I had a couple other thoughts but can't remember them right now, because they were small thoughts I had while reading disjointedly at a pool hall. There's a good chunk of this game I have not read.
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While I'm not upset by this interaction, I am hurt.In post 397, morph the cat wrote:We tried to somewhat with the "get into the main thread" post so that we could discuss it in the appropriate location. Nacho's response of "nah imma keep doing my own thing" didn't exactly help with our paranoia.
First of all, I am mildly annoyed at your initial post because you didn't say hey you're paranoid of me focusing too heavily in the neighborhood thread (in which case I would have pointed out that we recently did make the transition from neighborhood to game thread and Tammy was posting thoughts that she would have given to me and only me in the neighborhood thread instead and didn't have time or brainpower to think and compose thoughts because she was sick). Not every one of my thoughts reaches the game thread mostly for other people's benefit - sometimes I like to keep paranoid thoughts to myself but mostly I try to post my thoughts in thread in a way where my ISO is something people can follow and engage - posting a random assortment of assertions I'm not really sure I'm willing to stand behind and I'm not really sure I believe in doesn't quite accomplish that. This is where the hurt comes into play - if you were paranoid of us, then why did you say that we needed to post in thread so "people" could sort us instead of just telling us the truth? I was dismissive of Cabd's post because it's silly to worry that we are getting mislynched - if you trusted me enough to let me know that it was you that was worried, then I would have responded with more care than I did.
Secondly, your overall approach. While I'm usually not one to be worried over wording and the like, I was surprised to see that you were approaching us like petulant children, which made me think that I wasn't quite reading your post in the right light - I would never say that I wasn't going to talk to you anymore (temporarily or permanently) in order to get you to play how I want to play. I respect you too much to use a carrot or the stick approach with you when we can instead just have a grown-up conversation and I thought that respect was mutual - was the "we aren't posting in thread anymore" supposed to be interpreted a different way than "if you're good boys and girls then you can get morph treats but since you've been bad no treats for you?".
The last part is perhaps the silliest one (and of course the most important one to me) just in that I thought we've built up enough of a rapport where if I tell you that I'm approaching the game in a certain way that you'll trust me on it and give me a little room.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Then sort him.
You did nothing of the sort to sort him. You didn't talk to him or us about any of your concerns. You didn't even try. You just did your pompous thing yesterday afternoon and then went on about your way.
That's sill not sorting. I don't even know what the hell you think it is.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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