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Ari-catch up appears to be in reverse-order. Going from the present game state into the past, apparently focusing on ISOs rather than catching up in a close approximation to how it would have looked to you if you were reading along from the start.
It makes sense to do that in a massive game. I do it that way when I replace into games that have an excess of 100 pages. It doesn't make sense to do it that way 2/3 the way through day of a micro. It works better if there are at least some flips to filter the ISOs with.
That could ba a playstyle thing and I'm unfairly dinging you for it. But, this is not the way to catch up with a game and really understand what's transpired.-
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Interactions that may have alignment-relevance.In post 722, Sword of Damocles wrote:
What have we "strolled past"??In post 719, morph the cat wrote:But, the main problem with this case is that it takes the linked posts grossly out of context and tries to create a narrative with them.
A narrative that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in context.
And then, there's the way your slot just strolled right past various gamestate changes without getting involved or even opining.
You don't have a broad view of the game.
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Oh, and it's interesting that you decided to put down your nomination vote apparently without consultation. There are three players who are openly jockying for the Nom. Why did you choose Clumsy?-
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Penny for your thoughts about Clumsy's reaction to our push.In post 738, Lovebirds wrote:Like I honestly think that NMS is just MIA, this isn't some stupid ploy and they just haven't done anything in ~5 days. NAI
Meanwhile I'm just thoroughly unimpressed with everything that came before the great missingness and I'm obviously biased on the Jae v Maria thing that went on.
I need them to be in this game to sort that slot since all I have are bad reads and crap from the first few days of this game that are literally all I have to work with for that slot because they just aren't here.
[morph, GIF, Phoenix] is my final three if we're not allowed.
If we absolutely won't be winning MARRIAGE/TRUE LOVE today (which I still want) I'm fine with it anywhere in there for the sake of moving things along.
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We feel pretty ok with Imperium right now. Like all reads, I get clingy and paranoid when people are gone for too long, and my read starts to fade.In post 753, Two Real Humans wrote:morph are you still being creeped out by nacho treating the hood as 'almost mason-like'
because like, i'm not seeing that at all
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I know those feels.In post 758, Lovebirds wrote:In post 751, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I also feel like Nacho's reach out to me earlier in the game was genuine and not a pockety attempt, it felt like when he reached out to me in Boombox when I went wrong on my PoE, it's hard to explain the feeling but I don't think it was an attempt to pocket me in any case -- that said I do kind of feel like Nacho would reach out to me regardless just to try to help me stay in the game and motivated because he's a nice person so I don't know I might be reading too much into it.Nacho tried a pro-level reachout to Tammy and I in laundry and it almost worked.
Tammy and I had a heated back-and-forth which was a stupid thing in hindsight on my part but Nacho walks in and takes this meNdiator approach of 'hey you're both great you're both town let's get back in this' and it worked. But he was scum and someone said he might be scum for diffusing the Tammy v Andy thing for townpoints.
I'm not saying he's scum here but let's make no mistake Nacho knows how to play this game. Like, my big issue is I don't get townfeels from his posting and that concerns me.
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We like them. They're in a tier of reads above the line of lynchability, but below our top tiers.
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Yeah we're about to drop an updated reads list it'll be exciting you'll be talking about it all night and dream about how good it is.In post 764, Two Real Humans wrote:wonder where this came from
PEDIT: morph that's nice and all but w h y
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That's fine; but our initial reasoning for the reads on each will be IN said list, our lists aren't just names in order. SO that'll sort of frame where we are then you can engage from that.In post 766, Two Real Humans wrote:its harder for me to engage with a readslist than it is for me to engage directly with u but ok
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Simplified reads list
{GiF.........., Scott and Ramona, Imperium}
{Lovebirds, NoticeMeSempai}
------Line of Day 1 Lynchability ------
{Clumsy, Two Real Humans, Sword of Damocles} from least to most willing to lynch
"..."s indicate a separation in read strength.
This is the point in the game day where I start getting paranoid about being wrong about a townread. And really, really wanting help to find where my thought process is bad.-
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Thanks?In post 768, morph the cat wrote:
That's fine; but our initial reasoning for the reads on each will be IN said list, our lists aren't just names in order. SO that'll sort of frame where we are then you can engage from that.In post 766, Two Real Humans wrote:its harder for me to engage with a readslist than it is for me to engage directly with u but ok
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I sold you up the river; time to hop on the train home have fun!In post 770, morph the cat wrote:
Thanks?In post 768, morph the cat wrote:
That's fine; but our initial reasoning for the reads on each will be IN said list, our lists aren't just names in order. SO that'll sort of frame where we are then you can engage from that.In post 766, Two Real Humans wrote:its harder for me to engage with a readslist than it is for me to engage directly with u but ok
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You're starting to mess with the critical path here. We need to sort what to do with the True Love mechanic.In post 767, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Heads up btw:
I haven't read the thread yet.
But Jae did spoil me on a couple of details.
Namely, the existence of the hood and the Ginngie's hydra's defense/nomination duality posts.
So when Jae gets around to posting said thoughts (I'm too lazy to compile what I said in our chat ), just know that this is me verifying that yes I did do those things specifically however no I am still not caught up in the game; that'll come...
...Soonish I think? I might be in a mafia mood today; we'll have to see.-
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Or ask me questions. I'll be here all week.In post 768, morph the cat wrote:
That's fine; but our initial reasoning for the reads on each will be IN said list, our lists aren't just names in order. SO that'll sort of frame where we are then you can engage from that.In post 766, Two Real Humans wrote:its harder for me to engage with a readslist than it is for me to engage directly with u but ok
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(In post 754, Lovebirds wrote:p.s. Yeah minus the whole "reach for your scumreads harder" it was boring.expectedly/unexpectedly) flat?-
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We'll post one when we've ironed some shit out. It requires some overdue thread presence and stuff.In post 776, Two Real Humans wrote:everybody should post a love list of who they're willing to true love so we can sort this shit-
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The case for NPS-scum was really bad, and I could see it coming from a scum-motivation. I felt like they just kinda floated past several arguments that are probably alignment indicative in some way for both or all parties without acknowledging them. Their reads are pretty opaque, and it seemed really odd for Ari to come in after hardly posting at all so far, take the reins, and put down a True Love vote on the player his other head is writing scumcases on. Even if his read on the slot is town, it's bizarre that he wouldn't work out the disconnect with his partner before that vote.In post 782, Two Real Humans wrote:morph can u also please write your damocles case a little more eloquently in your readslist, i wanna talk about that but your wallpost earlier makes my head hurt
you're right in that it doesn't look like they have a broad view of the game, but that could easily be explained by their eccentric catchup style
caught up
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Yeah. It's been a slow but constant read change for me wrt THB. Clumsy went more abruptly from null downward.In post 786, Burning Hatred wrote:So with ppl started posting I haz DG^ CPv
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Cabdhead here to address that. We don't know exactly what true love would do for us. As I mentioned before; we aren't exactly a married couple. Ffery and I go way back, but only as hydra partners in crime. Our submitted picks and generated role reflect that. We need to talk if we want to shut that down or not.-
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Wouldn't we all?In post 789, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I'd really like Nacho input-
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No reason for "No" but there was nothing in our role pm flavor about marriage. Our characters are lovers, but a little unconventional for silly marriage games.In post 788, Two Real Humans wrote:sword needs to post more hardcore and people need to post what they think about sword hardcore, we still have 6 days which is enough for at least a wagon there after marriage gets sorted but we'll have to be super quick
nominate for true love: morph
do you have any role related reason why you shouldn't experience true love? now is the time to shut it down if you must
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I know. Neither will ours.In post 798, Burning Hatred wrote:My choices have nothing to do with marriages-
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You are a troll!In post 801, Burning Hatred wrote:My third choice was unrequited love.
I don't know why, but that reminded me of Ceph's FE:A game and Nati's role.-
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I think after this game as a baseline we'll both have better ideas how to approach reading her. There's a level of chaos and emotion that's just really hard to see through. I am hoping to get through this game with zero or close to zero reading of old, cold games. It would take considerably more than a past game or two to get to a point where I'd feel confident about reading her.In post 803, Lovebirds wrote:MORPH do you have anything for Maria or are you just going to rely on your "andy is mad and brutally honest so he's town" read for now.
One of the things I want to happen really soon in this game is for you and nacho/tammy to sort each other.
When Cabd is home, he may want to add something, but this is where my head is at.-
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god damn it.In post 808, Lovebirds wrote:
Yeah about that...In post 805, morph the cat wrote:One of the things I want to happen really soon in this game is for you and nacho/tammy to sort each other.
In post 401, Imperium wrote:Early game I was concerned that you seemed to be playing up to us a bit when GIF was voting for us. I don't think you have a clue how to read either one of us, so your assertion that you even know how after how laundry mafia played out felt really weird. Nacho said that you always think you can read him when you can't though.-
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Nacho could get past me without doing any sort of tactical emotional whipsawing. He's done it many times before. The only thing worse than my paranoia about misreading him when he's scum is my paranoia about misreading him when he's town. It's paralyzing, and it lasts game days.
If he's scum, then 406 was some serious tactical emotional whipsawing. It would burn bridges. Knowing that he can get past me without risking scorched earth, I'm certain that post isn't a contrivance to fool me.-
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Huh?In post 814, morph the cat wrote:Nacho could get past me without doing any sort of tactical emotional whipsawing. He's done it many times before. The only thing worse than my paranoia about misreading him when he's scum is my paranoia about misreading him when he's town. It's paralyzing, and it lasts game days.
If he's scum, then 406 was some serious tactical emotional whipsawing. It would burn bridges. Knowing that he can get past me without risking scorched earth, I'm certain that post isn't a contrivance to fool me.
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lol. Something about this conversation makes me want to smile.
It's pretty town to be annoyed that someone's townreading your slot based on your partner and isn't trying all that hard to read you. I'm pretty sure I've gotten snippy a few times in hydra games where someone said they'd read my partner and not try to sort me.
I think you mean Jaestina, so.
My initial thoughts about your reaction to Jae (the one I posted about in my wall) was that it didn't pass the smell test. During our short back and forth after that, your position made more sense - i.e., I could see why you would think what you said you thought. I didn't agree with your read, but not agreeing on reads doesn't make someone scum.
The BP thing looks every inch the sort of thing I expect from Mastina. She usually approaches games in a sort of self-absorbed way where she sees her role and her play as the pivotal, key thing that will win the game. She feels the same way when she's scum when she's in that mode of play, but the way it manifests in the game thread is different. I'm seeing the town version here.-
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Burning Hatred voted for us for True Love here: viewtopic.php?p=9343186#p9343186In post 833, nancy wrote:VOTE COUNT 1 . 15- Two Real Humans------- 2 ( Scott and Ramona, NoticeMeSenpai )L- 3
Imperium---------- 1 ( Burning Hatred )L- 4
NoticeMeSenpai---- 1 ( Lovebirds )L- 4
Scott and Ramona------- 1 ( Two Real Humans )L- 4
Sword of Damocles- 1 ( morph the cat )L- 4
Not Voting-------- 3 ( Clumsy Phoenix, Imperium, Sword of Damocles )
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-06-25 21:40:00)MARRIAGE COUNT 1 . 15- NoticeMeSenpai- 1 ( NoticeMeSenpai )
Clumsy Phoenix- 1 ( Clumsy Phoenix )
Burning Hatred- 1 ( Sword of Damocles )
Lovebirds------ 1 ( Lovebirds )
morph the cat------ 1 ( Two Real Humans )
No One--------- 2 ( Burning Hatred, Scott and Ramona )
Not Voting----- 2 ( Imperium, morph the cat )
If nothing is changed, No one will discover true love
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-06-25 21:40:00)
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I had felt like it was better for you to respond to that yourself. That kind of back and forth can help with reads, and reveal thought processes. I try not to walk through other players' active lines of questioning most o the time.In post 836, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Do you still want me to field that? I don't really see much there that you haven't addressed already, and there aren't really questions for me to answer or anything, so I'm not sure what to engage on. His thing about me with the discrediting line is clearly wrong because I already discussed what I was doing there in this thread. Basically I don't think he's open to new information on this slot regardless of SoD's alignment. I can try to engage it if you still feel I need to but I just kinda feel it might be a waste of time for me? If you think it'll be helpful for you let me know.In post 701, morph the cat wrote:Thanks. I have some comments for you about your observations, but I'd like for Jaestina to field this first.
I wrote my response up in our hydra thread, but was going to wait until you had a chance to respond. The Ari-head marriage vote for you two tripped about 8 billion alarms, though. And I wanted to see what he'd say while he was still in the thread, without a lot of think-time.
At this point, I don't think I would get much out of you rehashing, unless you have additional thoughts about the case.
I try not to walk through other players' active lines of questioning.
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Are you sure? It looks the same!In post 840, nancy wrote:
Corrected the VC. Good thing I'm totally aware about what hurt tags do in this game.In post 837, morph the cat wrote:Burning Hatred voted for us for True Love here: viewtopic.php?p=9343186#p9343186
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Sigh.In post 849, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
While I had a bad feeling about Ari's nomination for True Love....In post 839, morph the cat wrote:The Ari-head marriage vote for you two tripped about 8 billion alarms, though.
Ari nominated Clumsy, not us.
Sleep-deprivation sucks.
I didn't mistake the vote originally. I'm not sure when my brain rewired that part of the game. I need to go back through it when I respond to the quote-wall-from-hell anyway.
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Sword of Damocles Case Part II
No. It really isn't. Asking "Why do you scumread Player X for doing Thing A but don't scumread Player Y for doing the same thing?" calls into question both reads. And it's a logic test that happens all the time in mafia games. The focus is on the player with the inconsistency, not the players who did Thing A.In post 827, Sword of Damocles wrote:
It is discrediting townreads on Burning Hatred. They're asking why Burning Hatred isn't a scumread.In post 717, morph the cat wrote:Let's look at the posts:
In post 128, Scott and Ramona wrote:I'm not feeling great about anyone that seems eager to take True Love and nominated themselves. It's way to early in the day. We should be waiting to see meaningful contribution from everyone and give it to a good TR. It's a boost for anyone that has it, so wanting to take it for yourself with no or barely any information on the game is incredibly selfish and scummy at this time.
Town leaning Morph and Burning Hatred right now.
~Ramona
This looks to me more like they are pointing out what they think is a logic flaw in Ramona's argument, not discrediting Burning Hatred.In post 129, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Uhhh... Yet it's not scummy for Burning Hatred to want no one to have it?
~Jae
I expect you to come back and say "No, it's discrediting a read, again, though.
Maybe in the bigger picture it's a comment that could have either intent in mind. But context matters. At that point and at no other point so far in the game have they tried to paint Burning Hatred's play here as scummy.
I believe this was the first serious vote of the game. "Too defensive for an early vote" is a value judgment that has to take into account both players' history. This escalated pretty quickly and looked like their argument and mutual reads were going to consume early day. MariaR has said that tunnelling and AtE are part of her game as both alignments. Andy has an amazing ability to focus and round up a town and keep pressing until he gets his scumread lynched. You should look at our reaction to Andy saying we were a sort priority to him because Cabd has a (well deserved) big scary scum rep. I think you'll find it considerably more intense.
This is a complete deflection of the point. I never said I disliked the fact that it was serious. I said it was forced, because it presents a very rigid explanation of a behavior that Lovebirds found scummy. I also said it was defensive-- overly focused on explaining away the point rather than trying to evolve reads based on it.
It was a serious vote. Why shouldn't it get a serious response?143- feels very forced and a bit too defensive in response to an early vote
I'm still kinda catching up with MS, checking in on threads I used to participate in, and watching the SUPP contest. One of the things that has impressed me about Jae is how nice she is, and how she's charitable in situations where she could deservedly feel attacked. I saw that in an interaction between her and Vi this weekend in the SUPP thread. I think it's more than playstyle. It's a (pretty admirable) personality trait. But, I have zero play experience with her. Can you show me a game situation or two where her response in a similar situation was less polite?
The sucking up is the second line: "I see no contradictions, and as such I'm not sure what you're talking about with the bolded, can you elaborate? Just quote the parts of the post you feel I should have addressed that I haven't, if you feel like you already presented it as clearly as you can." It sounds uncharacteristically nice and accommodating to someone who has supposedly found contradictions. Maybe the talking down is playstyle but it struck me as strategic and not just based on policy.147- feels like sucking up, trying to talk down their reputation to Maria, and an OMGUS-ish implicit threat (stating a reason why scum would push them)
What part of this looks like sucking-up to you? The talking-down thing seems to be more of a stylistic meta point to me based on what I've seen so far in this game than something specific to this post. I bet if you went through my iso looking for points where I have talked down my game you'd find tons of them. It's something I do, partly out of frustration with my limitations, and partly as policy.In post 147, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:In post 144, Lovebirds wrote:
I don't really disagree with your assessment but out of all the things to comment on it felt like you were irked that burning was not getting picked on over you I said I was worried about you because I've played with you many times before and I know you're a good player so that's what worries me. I don't really care if you're not gonna like me focusing on your role I see a weakpoint with dumb logic and I am going to keep pushing itIn post 143, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Uhhh... Yet it's not scummy for Burning Hatred to want no one to have it?
Yup, most everything else was noise to me. Chickadee mentioned wanting to take True Love as being scummy because it's a boost for anyone who has it, yet townread Burning Hatred who was voting for No one to have it. Pointing out to her that her logic is flawed and lazy is something I felt could help me get a read on her through her response, and also help me get into the game. Do you disagree with my assessment of her post?
Why am I the head that worried you most at the time of 106? I hadn't posted yet at that point.
I don't like how you're so focused on our role and how you feel we should play it. A bulletproof IC is one of the strongest roles to have around. Especially so for the later stages of the game. Given that, there's definitely scum motivation present in trying to discredit and push on us now to attempt to stop us from achieving that status.
~Jaeyou have clear contradictions that I have pointed out that you have yet to addresswhy is it scum motivation and me not just finding posts scummy can
Not sure I buy that was genuinely your read of the situation, but okay.In post 145, Lovebirds wrote:Fucking hit the enter button too soon,
Anyway I was saying can I not find your posts scummy as town
~Maria
I see no contradictions, and as such I'm not sure what you're talking about with the bolded, can you elaborate? Just quote the parts of the post you feel I should have addressed that I haven't, if you feel like you already presented it as clearly as you can.
Why does it worry you that I'm a good player? I'm actually of the opposite opinion, but regardless, are you talking town or scum here? Do you think it not possible that you just don't understand fully what is actually ideal play for our role, given what you've known of myself and mastina to date and how we play?
I feel like there's scum motivation in wanting to get rid of the potentially conftown bulletproof if scum doesn't have a strongman to hit us with. Especially so given you believe that both myself and mastina are good players. Is there potential for you as town to find our posts scummy? Maybe? I can't say I'm an expert on following your mindset. I feel like you're more focused on trying to find something wrong with us rather than trying to genuinely read us.
I don't see what you mean by "forced and rigid".
I can see myself posting it as either alignment, but more likely that way as town (though I'd be more snarky). And tonally it fits with what I've seen of her game persona (see above).
It's not nitpicking so much as asking myself "what is the purpose of this post?" There are plenty of ways to inform players about a game where something like this happened without phrasing it in the form of advice; it's definitely a weak point but it's a post I could see myself posting much more easily as scum.193- sounds like trying to play the voice of reason
Calling this out as "trying to play the voice of reason" looks like pure nitpickery to me. (Also, I liked learning about a game where a mechanic was ignored/passed up and how that worked out for town)In post 193, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:LUV don't do this again please. Town was actually crippled in civilization mafia from the none pushes.
Is my read of the Lovebirds head also shallow and inconsistent? Playing in conversational mode and sifting around in real time for data and behavior upon which to base reads looks a lot different from coming into a thread with a ton of data for analysis.
I'm talking about all the reads in that post. The S&R read is essentially "Chickadee is town, and LUV is town for playing to his town meta even though he could do so as scum too". That's incredibly shallow and simplistic (I never said inconsistent). The Maria meta is also simplified and using meta is an all around bad idea with Maria. And the read on you is for things that they say are objectively NAI.
I assume you're talking about the Maria read? What parts did you think were shallow and inconsistent, and why? And what did you think of MariaR's reaction to the post?239- full of meta and most of it is really shallow and simplistic; also, it admits the fallibility of the meta but doesn't weaken the read accordingly
If 296 is the Maria response you mean, then I don't think it's indicative of alignment for her.
Why do you disagree with him? Do you think he's wrong about me? Do you think he's lying? Do you think he's fabricating a read? I mean, you throw this out here like it's a problem in Jae's play to have picked up on those three posts as possibly alignment indicative, but it seems like Nacho proclaiming an actual read partially based on them would be more concerning to you. (Which gets back to my point about your view of the game seeming really narrow).
And maybe he's right, but I disagree with him.
And yet Nacho thought they were fairly decent posts to think came from town-me.257- quoted posts don't seem particularly hard to fake as scum
Like my point above, where you call a post "discrediting a read" when there's no evidence anywhere in the thread that they're trying to build up reasons to suspect Burning Hatred. That's lack of context.
Once again, maybe it is playstyle but it sounds strategic to me. It sounds like a simplification of what should be a more complex sentiment, which often betrays a scum agenda.
I did a search for "entirely" and "comfortable" in JaeReeds posts using the site search page. I was deluged with posts. It appears that she habitually describes her reads and concerns in terms of how comfortable she is with them. The rest of your observation is meh ok, I guess? I mean I am looking at the True Love mechanic through the lens of my role pm. And in terms of the mechanic, they have speculated quite a bit about it, especially regarding mod meta.353- the whole "not entirely comfortable giving it to anyone else" sounds way more informed than it should and doesn't strike me as inquisitive town who want to learn more about the mechanic but rather declarative scum who have found what they want to do and are trying to make it happen.
-smart
This part in particular looks to me like Mastina's usual highly self-absorbed way of looking at a game, wherein she sees her role (both game role and the role she personally wants to play in every game) as being pivotal.
I understand if you disagree with my arguments. (And I wouldn't call it a case; it's more of a mini-case.) But I disagree that it is taking posts out of context; just because I haven't explicitly mentioned the context doesn't mean that I've ignored it.In post 719, morph the cat wrote:But, the main problem with this case is that it takes the linked posts grossly out of context and tries to create a narrative with them.
A narrative that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in context.
And then, there's the way your slot just strolled right past various gamestate changes without getting involved or even opining.
You don't have a broad view of the game.
You have a handful of posts that are of concern to you, and for the most part, it looks like you're calling stuff that comes down to playstyle and personality scummy. You have to divorce many of them from almost everything else about their stances and play to make your argument. Maybe narrative isn't a good word for what I'm trying to describe.And I really don't see what "narrative" you're talking about. In fact a narrative implies that I'm trying to ascribe one master plan to all of their posts which is really the opposite of what I'm doing (pointing out a lot of little things that I think have scum motivation). If I am creating a narrative that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in context, then what is that narrative and what differentiates it from a case that you simply disagree with?
If you're town this is a really mistaken way to think about your reads. Your reads are a huge part of your game-relevant input. Whether they are right or wrong, they are informative of how you're seeing the game, and they can reveal your alignment to other players. There's obvious scum benefit to not putting down reads. There's obvious town benefit to putting them down.I won't disagree that I haven't commented on a lot of the things that have happened. Frankly, I don't think it's worth the effort since I don't expect my reads to be very good this early anyway, and I don't have a lot of time to devote to this game.
How do you plan to resolve this? Imperium has to be here before there's more data, but two of the players you think are relevant to the gamestate are here daily or near-daily.And I would disagree with the assertion that I don't have a broad view of the game. I do have a broad view of the game, but it's severely limited by several things, primarily the fact thatI don't trust myself to read several of the slots that are very relevant to a lot of the gamestate (Imperium, Lovebirds, morph).
-smart
Ok. Well, I'm actually coming around to thinking that if anything, I was underestimating the narrowness of your view. As you've clarified the stuff you didn't like about Jae's posts above, what I think I'm seeing is that you're applying two standards. You expect conversational mode play from them to be both deeper and more analytical (reads you call shallow), more open and easy-going (reaction to a vote you thought was forced and intense for a response to an early vote) and more confrontational (the comment you called too congenial).
The thing is, you can look at pretty much any iso in this game and make similar comments when you use a standard for post-event analytical play on in-the-moment activities. GiF has provided near zero commentary on his reads. I've been handwavy about the meta basis behind my reads. He telegraphed the hell out of his concerns about me, and I reacted with what should look like semi-panicky fluff to players not familiar with our mutual games.
That's one example. There have been so many other conflicts and interactions in this game, all of which are potentially alignment indicative.
You're playing at mafiascum.net. I have trouble believing you haven't developed an approach to the game that takes other styles of play into account.
This game is hard to analyze, though. The vote restriction masks some of the trajectory on reads because people sit on stale votes while they cast around for what they want to do next. And the True Love mechanic puts more emphasis on townhunting and politicking for the mechanic, to the possible detriment of scumhunting.
And once again, I just don't see how your play is responding to these realities. And my concerns about Ari are similar. He's in disagreement with your NPS read, and that he's expressed a really high confidence that Clumsy is town. His catch-up may be more detailed than he expressed in the thread, but what's in the thread shows zip about his thoughts on most of the players.-
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Cabd and I have talked a little about the marriage mechanic.
I would be surprised if this game's design was balanced around the idea of a certain player or players receiving it. Not certain, but I think Cabd agrees with me on this.
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That's way longer than the time it took to town bin you. You lose this round.In post 858, Burning Hatred wrote:It only took 35 pages to move vote off of nacho-
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On a scale from "getting the true love mechanic" to "confirmed guilty child gets the true love mechanic" how satisfied are you with said wagon?In post 860, Lovebirds wrote:Happy with a SOD wagon.-
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Just to be clear; this was to both of you, not andy specifically.In post 863, morph the cat wrote:
On a scale from "getting the true love mechanic" to "confirmed guilty child gets the true love mechanic" how satisfied are you with said wagon?In post 860, Lovebirds wrote:Happy with a SOD wagon.-
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I don't think you two really want to move to Chicago do you?In post 867, Lovebirds wrote:Cabd I'm also secretly hoping we can be neighbors or something because I'm waiting for the inevitable to happen and don't want to forget what to do when it happens.-
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In post 870, Lovebirds wrote:I actually really just want to pressure that slot because SoD doesn't seem to care you're voting them.
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