Micro 718 - Roleblocker 6 (Game Over)

[Vedith]

VOTE: Gamma
That's L1

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Gamma confirmed Scum with Gamma because he unvoted.

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Hmm I didn't consider that originally.
Could I suggest we quick lynch Shos before he can post?

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I don't think it's too much to look into with that from Gamma. However, I do think that Gamma has a 75% chance of fliping scum here so we should lynch him anyway.

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Just a guess, but I like those odds.

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I put 101 numbers in a hat (0-100) and pulled it out for each name.
You had the highest with 75%.

Edo had an amazing 4% so I think we should never lynch him.

Other than that, I have no reads as of yet.

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That was an OMGUS vote from Gamma. Sad times.

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I don't.

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Yeah Sho's, you're the IC...
How do I bold my text?

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Ohhhh I get it

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Good luck Pyra

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I think it's obvious... Shos and Gamma are confirmed scum.

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I hate to be "that guy"... But pull your fingers out!

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You all realise that Shos is just trolling you, right?

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I say we lynch Kop.
He hates being scum and is avoiding the game!

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No. He doesn't flake from roles.

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I do feel that we have a lot of low posters in the game though.

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But I like Rask...

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Did Rask appear as scum?

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I'll never let Gamma kill you, Rask!
Although me and Gamma are best friends, I think we should lynch him here.

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I suck and completely forgot about this - I'll be back tomorrow (will try for tonight, but no promises)

It's 4 pages... takes 2mins.

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wanna hear shos reasoning first

Shos is playing for the troll approach for reactions.
He's not Scum.

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I'll never let Gamma kill you, Rask!
Although me and Gamma are best friends, I think we should lynch him here.

Reasoning?

Because you are acting wierd!

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Mod:

I will be V/LA through Saturday, June 10th due to a family emergency. Will update as needed.

All the best with this!

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Because Gamma is acting different.

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Ew.

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Because Gamma is acting different.

Ah, that's what 108 was referring to. Going to reread, but I don't think "weird" or "different" is strong enough for me to sheep on.

Me and Gamma are best friends!
Even Gamma will say my read is always spot on.

@Gamma - confirm.

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We do not speak of that game.
I don't know how to explain it but you just seem less interested.

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Haven't had my coffee.

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Depends on the setup.
Problem is there are so many players needing to post.

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What's your role, Edo?!

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You're up, Gamma!
Woo us!

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So you're not Scum?

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Fake response to fake hammer </3

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Trust me when I say that was a fake response from Gamma.

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I know it was Fake!

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UNVOTE: Gamma
Stop it
You know you weren't lynched.

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Hes talking about the quick lynch.

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No I knew he figured it out. That was 100% fake Gamma.
I still don't know why he's so un interested this game though.

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I don't know what to think but I don't want a hammer.

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Your reaction was fake, you knew that Edo didn't hammer. I'm not stupid, and neither are you.
That's something I am sure of. Your alignment I'm not sure of.

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Well, both Pyra and ASP are V/LA and Kop is usually a low poster.
So although 1 or even 2 could be in these 3 (4 if you count Shadow?) there's no idication to show this.

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I didn't consider you as a low poster. And Edo has been more involved in the game than you so far.

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There's not a great deal to it.

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Well, both Pyra and ASP are V/LA and Kop is usually a low poster.
So although 1 or even 2 could be in these 3 (4 if you count Shadow?) there's no idication to show this.

There's something weird about this post, but I can't quite figure out how to phrase what I'm thinking.

It's a comment purely based on facts.

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No shit.

I was talking about Gamma's response not the hammer.

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Reads so far before you leave?

Just seen this.

I don't have any reads right now, I don't generally have any early doors.

So you don't read Edo as Scum or even close to it?

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Lying about What?

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I thought it for a second then Vedith changed it.

?

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When you replied it was fake I was like "well then" and just replied to what was posted about it at that point. If he hadn't ruined it I probably would have AtEd a fair bit.

Your response was fake af.

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My outrage was fake because I was forcing the reaction. I did not know the hammer was fake until Vedith told me.

That's a lie.

What's Gamma at?

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HOLY SHIT
WHYYYYYY DO I GET FLASHWAGONED D1 IN MICROOOOOOOS

FUUUUUUUCK
I S2G IT'S LIKE DDU HYDRA BLITZ AGAIN

Fake response to fake hammer </3

So Gamma says he fake reacted after I said it was a fake hammer, even though you can see he reacted first.

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Gamma is off site right now I want him to post.
I feel that he's just lynch bait and that's why the game isn't moving because Scum are just letting the focus stay on him.

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who would you like the focus to be on? what do you make of the whole fake-fake-response thingie?

I don't believe it was anything but fake.
But Gamma does stupid things as town to make him look like scum.

I think that scum are just sitting back.

ASP possibly if the V/LA has ended. I think last time ASP was scum he played even less than normal.

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Gamma plays too many games, he forgets what he says.

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VOTE: pyra

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@Vedith are you referring to anyone in particular when you say that scum is letting the focus stay on Gamma (or was that more of a general statement)?

No one in particular.
If Gamma was scum, then unless it's ASP (who could just be dealing with an extended emergency) I feel that a push would start else where (I don't count Kop's as a push).

At this stage I'm conftable with Gamma / Shos town, and I'm conftable in not lynching Rask.

This narrows my pool down to
You
Edo (less favoured vote)
ASP
Kop
Shadow

Voting ASP now is going to be oppornist as anything, so anyone trying there until he's back or replaced I'll highly consider as scum

Shadow I'd be okay with lynching as he just appears to be posting for show.
I don't see any stand, and while his vote sits on Kop, I see no attempt in progressing that read or even progression to someone else.

The same can be said for you. I see no effort in your Edo vote being pushed, and I don't believe that still only having an RVS vote right now is acceptable.
I'm unclear to where you actually stand on people in the game and I don't see effort to push the game (excluding maybe as of yet).

I probably wouldn't lynch Edo today. I don't really have a read on him but at least he's giving reads/opinions/views.

Kop - Votes Edo after the Gamma L1 stuff, for reasoning that Edo tried to play the hammer as real after my post.
I'm not sure what's scum motivated there, and looks to be just posting to post with pointless questions which aren't even about Edo.

As you can see, 3 of those are people that can be considered as sitting back and watching the Gamma wagon / debate.

Tell me, why should I lynch Edo?

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At this stage I'm conftable with Gamma town

Is this entirely from the gamestate or did you see something town now in his play?

This is from my belief that people are just trying to wait out the lynch.

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Vedith, talk me through the actual townread on gamma. I see you not wanting to lynch him, but reading him as town is not something I understand.

Because Gamma does stupid stuff as town, and gets lynched for it nearly every time.
As I said, Gamma joins too many games and forgets what he has said at times.
And he's a stubborn fuck, so even when he's shown where wrong he'll still argue it.

I also strongly believe that Gamma scum means that someone would be pushed by now. The other votes are not being pushed. You can call it just lurking, but people have posted and not tried to take focus away from Gamma or onto someone else.
Kop is the only one close and I don't consider what he done a push at all.
The players I already commented on are just waiting for either Gamma to be lynched or someone else to lead where to go.

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if his partner is one of the lowposters, like shaddow or kop or asp, it really fits the lack of cw.

Can I haz examp[les?

ASP I can't really answer for but if it was Shaddow or Kop then then they haven't been trying to prevent the lynch at all.
Also, why not include Pyra there?

Examples on Gamma doing stupid stuff? I can find some probably quite easily but I'm not sure if I have completed games with him since my return.

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There's a reason I'm voting Pyra.

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Sorry Fridays are bad for me.
I'm on tonight.

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Gamma, give your 2 most likely scum now.
If Pyra isn't in it, why?

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ok
I'll work on my top 2 but I'm not particularly suspecting Pyra rn.

If you don't know your top 2, then how do you know that Pyra isn't one of them?
Does this mean you town read him?

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So who's in the pool lower than Pyra?

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I'm not sure but I feel people like shaddowez or Edos might be better

So only Shadow and Edo's are lower than Pyra...
Yet you couldn't give me the 2 scummiest people other than Pyra, because Pyra is null?

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It's not "who's scummier" it's "who I feel might be better votes"

That's not what I asked you.
But even so, it's in the same bracket. You only have 2 names other than Pyra, yet you said you need to think about it?

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Because I'm not sure
gawd you are so dense

How does that make me dense?
I just asked who was in the pool under Pyra... You said Shadow and Edo.
You could have said more than 2 names for that, but you gave me 2 names. I originally asked for 2 names, and you already stated that Pyra wasn't one of your choices.
Therefore, from the pool you have to think of 2 names from, you only have 2 names.

Correct me if I'm seeing something different here?

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VOTE: Gamma

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It's not really fair to town that a no lynch is going to happen because we have 2 people being replaced, 1 V/LA and 1 just not posting for 3+ days and needs a replace.
That leaves 5 players to lynch when you need 5 votes to actually lynch.

I think that the timer needs to be on hold until ASP / Shadow / Kop are all replaced.

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Assuming Gamma flips scum here, who's his partner? I invite everyone to give input here.

Given what we have, If Gamma is scum I doubt it would be you, Rask or Shos.
Other than that, it doesn't give a tell to who is his partner.

If Town though this will just make me believe more that scum were just sitting by.

Although given that we have had replaces already and Gamma might have site flaked, it a case of a lot of ifs, buts and coconuts.

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Thinking more on it, I agree with this. I was going with Kop because you said you have a TR on pyra, but pyra makes more sense. It's tougher for a newbie to decide to bus there.

I don't understand how you suggest that only a newbie busses there.

The Gamma slot was a lost cause and not voting there and tryin to go elsewhere would have put pressure on anyone.

Why do you not think that people voting earlier on the Gamma wagon voted there because they weren't expecting Gamma to be lynched? (me or Rask).

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Given how the game has gone, and how hard it's been to push anyone (other than the earlier L1 on Gamma) why do you not think that either me or Rask voted in hope to distance and aim for a NL?
As soon as votes start going there, we can't just jump off right?

I doubt that's the situation, but you seem to have bypassed it instantly ignoring everyone who voted Gamma.

Why do you think Kop is less like to avoid bussing that Pyra? Being new isn't what I'll accept for that reasoning either.
Kop gave intent to vote Gamma, but never actually done so.

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Alright guysssss we got our first scum
Now what?

VOTE: Aristo

You need to explain that to me.

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I can't help but think Rask is scum here...

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the thing with bussing d1 is, even if you play perfect daygame you have something like >50% chance of auto losing via night actions which makes it strictly EV negative
one newbie I bussed d2 but even there got screwed by doc+tracker into forfeiting (tracker+doc claims were 2 conftowns, tracker clear plus doc heal near-clear iirc)

Yeah I guess, and you were on Gamma both times...
This is the problem with so little from most people day 1 is there's no where to look now in connection to Gamma.

@Everyone - Top 2 scum reads and reasons

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Hi Trans.

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Not yet.

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Yay for you! \o/

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ah yeah well i haven't actually read yet

on a scale of 1-10 how obv was gamma

usually scum!him is p obv

The game started during his phase of issues in RL... So it was hard to tell.
Regardless, it was a hollow lynch imo as it was just because he wasn't here to defend himself.

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VOTE: Ari

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I mean hopefully i can directly engage with Vedith aris and Pyra some more because i make not very much of then rn.

I don't care if you're not a fan.
Vote Ari.

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Why not Ari?

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Ari can't even look me in the eye right now

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Alright guysssss we got our first scum
Now what?

VOTE: Aristo

You need to explain that to me.

VOTE: Ari

I mean hopefully i can directly engage with Vedith aris and Pyra some more because i make not very much of then rn.

I don't care if you're not a fan.
Vote Ari.

Why not Ari?

Ari can't even look me in the eye right now

I see...good case!

If it's not you it's Rask.
So sell me on Rask.

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Is trans L1?

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Not sure how I feel about you offering to self hammer.

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But with 1 scum left, it's better to no lynch than lynch you today if you're town...
I don't understand your logic?

I had doubts when you was offering the self lynch in that other game where you was scum, and I have the same doubt here.

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I agree.
But in your eyes, it's not better to lynch a town either.

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You can try and go for the Ari lynch.

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The same can be said on a Pers green.

So either you vote for Ari, or believe that Ari is that much more liekly to flip town than you, and I'll vote you.

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I hate you, Trans.

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You think I wanted to pocket you?

I'm saying that Ari or Rask are scum here.

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You'll be dead so fuck you.

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I hate you.

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It was a hollow win anyway. We only lynched Gamma because he couldn't defend himself.