Micro 736: Mafia in Blitztown (Game Over)

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VOTE: Hopkirk

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Hi screen

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Hi.
Role claim?

I can alignement claim

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I think he knows that he knows and therefore ask why would he ask when he knows

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Agreed

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So far Echo didnt log back since he was asked his question, aka @6 pm so it kinda checks out
Hopkirk also didnt officially log back since he was asked by screenplay so it also checks out

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Neither did echo/vedith posted anywhere else either, we probably just have a slow roster for a blitz @ircher

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ill take it but, i got called tryharding scum for doing stuff like these when the game gets boring

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Also, who does start the game as first post on a blitz game, minutes after the day start pm but never bother to come back or comment roughly 4h after

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Also, who does start the game as first post on a blitz game, minutes after the day start pm but never bother to come back or comment roughly 4h after

people who have a life outside of a forum website?? you're impatient as fuck.

VOTE: CloudKicker

also i asked because i was going to put myself at L-1 but yknow i kinda can't do that now bc IRCHER IS A BULLY

How is me being impatient anything ai related + why would you put yourself at l-1

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VOTE: echo

i townlean esires and screen

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That was disappointing Cloud

its a blitz game, his last post was terrible but i do indeed expect a green flip

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Whoa, OK then. Echo, what are you?

Why are you asking him? The mod will tell us as they've been lynched...

First post and nothing about the lynch?

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such a bad post

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His vote made little as scum in retrospect but it kinda pisses me

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Pissed*

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Echo's twilight analysis was hilarious too and just proven false

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i actually just opened up my laptop because i was thinking about answering the question about why i thought he implied that me being impatiant was AI -> the only piece of information he ever said about me was that i was being impatient then he voted me, its implied that he thought that my behavior or whatever happened there was AI enough to warrant a vote.

To answer #60 i thought he was just going after me for something especially bad while ignoring the huge amount of people voting for him, i also thought it was a pretty weak post for someone L-1 and such

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In retrospect the vote was town because it wasnt a vote that was made in a suvavilism intent, he voted someone outside the 4 voting him and he couldve (and did) get and easy vote there just because he was antagonistic with someone outside his wagon. Thats why in retrospect it wasnt a scum vote, but at the time it pinged me that he ignored everyone but me for being impatient

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Hm no, in retrospect like when i actually thought about it, if you look at the log i hammred his ass pretty quickly

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Also, who does start the game as first post on a blitz game, minutes after the day start pm but never bother to come back or comment roughly 4h after

people who have a life outside of a forum website?? you're impatient as fuck.

VOTE: CloudKicker

also i asked because i was going to put myself at L-1 but yknow i kinda can't do that now bc IRCHER IS A BULLY

How is me being impatient anything ai related + why would you put yourself at l-1

VOTE: echo

i townlean esires and screen

10:21
10:25

Thats the amount of time i was thinking about hammering him and looking at his post

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Ok..yes you definitely hammered very quickly.

What was so bad about what he said in your opinion that it warranted a Page 2 hammer? Why did it make you so sure he was scum that you decided to end the day there? I would agree that impatience is not AI, but neither really is pointing it out and voting based on it while ignoring the others was unless you were feeling one of the others voting for him was his scumbuddy. Did you have a team in mind at the time?

No but he shouldve addressed litterally the qhole table voting them over me just being impatient, i do disagree anout the "but neither really is pointing it out and voting based on it while ignoring the others " not being AI, i really do think his post was terrible considering he was being voted. But yes indeed i arguably hammer too fast.
No i didnt have a scumbuddy in mind nor a team, 2 people including you didnt post at the time

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VOTE: Echo

5 votes to kill right?

Why are you asking this?

My question is, why the fuck was this killed?

Why was anybody killed? There was so little to go off you could basically say the same about any potential NK.

Still a good question to ask, especially since its assumed its not a random kill, their might be a reason especially if wveryone had low content, my guess is that he pr posturized with his only question

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I already explained, he went after me for being impatient, voting me and ignored the people voting him which to me, doesnt look like a town thought process

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No i didnt have a scumbuddy in mind nor a team, 2 people including you didnt post at the time

You complain about it being slow and from the quote above the lack of information you have but you decide it's time for some to die.
Sounds contradicting.

I didnt have enough information to poe down whatever scumteam i could think of with echo, thats what i couldnt do. What i could do tho is analyse one's post and decides if hes scummy or not, he was and he died : ) thats about it

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I will log back in about 10 hours

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Would you expect town to go to the gallows fighting then?

i would expect town to try to find scum voting them on L-1 so freaking fast and not give a fuck about me you know, town stuff

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If im l-1 yes i totally would

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I know i do

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Pocketing lol i just outed a townlead on your slot before the night ends, vedith recent content is towny

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And like mjolnir sais, theres little to no scum gain for me to nk hop avec quick hammering d1

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VOTE: srceenplay

Because they were the third vote on the wagon.

??? The first three voted in succession.

If anyone on the wagon should be scrutinized, it should be Cloud and me. I voted long after the initial 3 votes (as well as after my initial RVS vote.) Cloud hammered for what can at best be considered an OMGUS vote.

Not gonna lie, that was part of it

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Like you dont get to vote me when your push is absolutely terrible when ure L-1 and you dont try to scumhunt into your wagon

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Like if scum want to kill on the wagon, I think town should want to kill off the wagon.

Can you further develop that idea ?

Are you implying that one of the major reason why hop got n1d is because he was on the wagon? Do you think it wouldve been different if he wasnt on the wagon?

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Like you dont get to vote me when your push is absolutely terrible when ure L-1 and you dont try to scumhunt into your wagon

You've said this before, why do you feel the need to keep re-iterating why your hammer was so innocent when nobody has asked you to?

i was just approving the post

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Hey screen, can you talk about your reads and who you expect to be voting today

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What about esires ?

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Have noticed or looked at

Hes also in the pool outside the wagon aka the people you said you would want a to lynch in, what do you think of him?

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Do we know how many maf there are? Not seeing it in the rules.

Possible motive for the Hopkirk NK is that Echo speculated Cloud + Hopkirk were the scumteam. If Cloud is scum, killing Hopkirk kills Echo's theory.

I haven't played a blitz game before but it seems like a brazen move to hammer so fast, even with a three day deadline.

I also feel like 31 could be a pocketing attempt.

vote: Cloud

@Esires

You realize that the only single thing i ever said about you was that i townlean'd you, which means a weak townread. Pockething someone is when you try to manipulate one's read by townreading them and to be part of a 'townblock' or being unlynchable as scum because you pocketed people. Do you really think that outing a single townlead on someone, after the hammer, is me trying to manipulate you into townreading me for d2? You dont think its more probable i just outed those reads in the same post i hammered because i reread the whole game and posted my thoughts in the event i was killed?

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Also this is wifom territory and i expect people to disagree but, overall theres wasnt a single scum gain for me to put myself on the light to just hammer a random guy with subpar posts who could very well be a mislynch down the road from a scum pov. Quickhammering a shitposter because he scumread me with abysmal logic isnt how extremely calculating scum!Cloud proceed, go and read my scum games if youre curious

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Yea or that and i know i could talk my way out of it but it just wasnt needed there

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Like if scum want to kill on the wagon, I think town should want to kill off the wagon.

Can you further develop that idea ?

Are you implying that one of the major reason why hop got n1d is because he was on the wagon? Do you think it wouldve been different if he wasnt on the wagon?

I think if I was scum in that position with not much to go on I would probably want to kill on the wagon.

Before lynch its

On wagon 5
Off wagon 4
Alive

After lynch it's

On wagon 5
Off wagon 3
Alive

After night kill its

On wagon 4
Off wagon 3
Alive

So I would kill On wagon to keep it as close as possible. Narrow down one side too much and maybe it solves the game or finds a scum. But I would only need to do that if there are scum hiding in the lower number. Otherwise I want to keep the number scum are apart of as high as possible. So to me their is one scum at least off the wagon. If all the scum(and for this I assume it's a 7-2 split to start) are on the wagon, then I think the kill is off the wagon.

Thats a good post not in content, but in genuine thought process

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i was just approving the post

Really? The post seemed to suggest that only Ircher should have been put under scrutiny by Echo from your perspective (as obviously you had not voted for him yet). However you have previously suggested that Echo should have been suspicious of everyone in his wagon:

No but he shouldve addressed

litterally the qhole table voting them

over me just being impatient, i do disagree anout the "but neither really is pointing it out and voting based on it while ignoring the others " not being AI, i really do think his post was terrible considering he was being voted. But yes indeed i arguably hammer too fast.
No i didnt have a scumbuddy in mind nor a team, 2 people including you didnt post at the time

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So what is it about the post that you approve?

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Something i dont like in mafia games is that people really has a habit of not trying to understand the idea behind the post and argue on the words. I am aware that something its relevant, here im pretty sure you could understand what i was trying to say. I approved the fact that you pointed out that Ircher was the suspicious vote, i liked your post but it doesnt mean that i dont think Echo shouldnt have try to question/interrogate/react to people into in wagon, one isnt mutually exclusive to the other

"Like you dont get to vote me when your push is absolutely terrible when ure L-1 and you dont try to scumhunt into your wagon"
It was mostly a reference to Echo attitude of ignoring what was relevant in his pov, aka the people voting him, including ircher the suspicious vote and including the rvs

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that sometime its relevant*

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Boy youre fast @ mario

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Mjollnir seems like he's asking questions to seems busy. I wonder if he can summarize what all he's gained from the questions.

Sure,

Ircher I was initially most suspicious of, but his explaination of why he put Echo at L-1 seems to make sense, I felt the only reasonable explaination for what he did was that he felt the hammer was unlikely and that's how he answered. If he said anything else then I would have probably found him scummiest of everyone here because the L-1 vote would have almost certainly been opportunistic scum. It could still well be but I'm willing to accept his NAI explaination.

Cloud I interrogated as I wanted to find the motivation behind him hammering. I notice he still hasn't answered why he lynched him there and then rather than wait for more evidence to present itself,

Cloud, could you do that please.

So far my judgement is undecided of him.

Kaboose looked all over the place, hence why I asked what his reasoning was for suddenly unvoting you and going onto Esires, he looked like he was flailing and just throwing mud to see what hit. While I don't agree entirely with completely ruling out lynching anybody on wagon (if he is scum, that would be awfully convenient if his partner was someone on it), I accept what he's trying to say. He has however not explained why he is going after esires.

Everything else is kind of a stream of consciousness really, I ask questions as they come to my head and make notes of answers, it's how I gamesolve.

Its true that i hammered too fast in the sens that the town gain output wasnt maximized by the amount of information that was on the table at the time. I did hammer him because to me, at the time i did hammer, his last post was incredibly out of place and was scummy. That being said, i tried to capitalize on someone i scumread when they were being voted, not gonna lie there either

Makes sense Screen,

I wanna hear what Vedith and Cloud think about the state of play right now, who they feel are scummy and why.

Theres like 2 days before lynch, i think everyone should be outing their reads ish and then make a vote today before tomorow, heres mine

In order ish
Mjnolnir Screen

Kaboose (Probably town)
Ircher** (his vote was indeed odd and i initially scumread them when i reread the game close the d2 day start but, his content today is fine and i like his tone better)

Vedith
Esires


I am a tone reader and im aware that even myself when im thinking about my reads rn they dont make too much sens, but kaboose/vedith/ircher all posted considerably some towny posts. I think people like mjolnir/screen are good poster and even if im wrong on them, the amouth of content they put out means that in the even that im wrong, i have a better chance at reading them correctly eventually, which i like.

Kaboose outed a good post about his wierd ass tought process
Vedith is null but with some good tonally post, i have to rered there and he needs to post more
Esires kinda dumbtold hard d1 and thats why i initially townleanded them but they did nothing since then but a terrible post that make no sens about myself, call it omgus if you want

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Amount, event* reread* townleaned*

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I've been on my other accounts tonight and not posted in majority places on this account.
Try again.

And you signed up for a Blitz game to be in a game you weren't expected to post every day in?

And do you want me to answer the question on esires or screen, because right now I'm assuming you're playing dumb?

Sorry if I seem dumb for asking questions, but this is kind of my job here. It's not like you had mentioned any potential reasoning on them prior to this post here so unless you consider everyone without mind-reading powers stupid. Your posts up to me having to ask you for your reads were completely full of fluff and had no real opinion about any living player in this game.

Also I believe esires' case against Cloud is more than simply the NK. That reasoning alone would be fairly WIFOM but he also mentioned the hammer and that pocketing thing too.

Right now I would be happy lynching either Vedith or Cloud. Vedith because a lot of his posts have come across needlessly defensive (see him attacking me for asking questions, "try again" etc), his posts being fluff before I had to drag his reads out of him, his reason for not posting here to face questions makes little sense and his vote on esires comes across as opportunistic given the reasoning is flawed and there is already anti-esires sentiment in the thread. Cloud for reasons already outlined in Post [/post]156[/post]. If nothing dramatic happens overnight my vote will probably go on Vedith tomorrow morning.

Pockething part is a joke, i just sais i townleaned two players

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I'm sticking with my Cloud vote, there was really no good reason for a hammer there.

Im going to officially appeal to you because i dont wanna ml someone else just because they scumread me.

This is my town game, you can disagree with the hammer but that doesnt make me mafia, if you dont get to at least reconsider that very weak read of yours on my slot, i will vote you and you will get lynched

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Yo, im giving one chance to reconsider, theres still 2 days to go

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And yes im willing to lynch someone whos town if it serves my wincon

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I dont care whatever path i take as long as its a big fat W

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Well tbh if youre town youre digging your own grave and you better not dare blame me post game for lynching you

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Your whole content is subpar and from poe youre a pretty correct lynch regardless of whatever you said in the last 5 posts, if youre town there will be no resistance

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Mind telling me

A. What does pocketing means for you

B. What exactly was my pocketing attempt

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No, you said i was pocketing you way before my last posts, also when i say i will lynch you, i mean it. Vocally outing a goddam fucking read isnt a pocketing attempt

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You said i tried to pocket you literraly only because i said that i did townlean you and esires.

Does that mean that everyone saying they townlean someone they are mafia trying to pocket them or is it only applied to my situation because something else pinged you before? Theres no way you scum read my #31 line in itself as a pocketing attempt

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You said i tried to pocket you literraly only because i said that i did townlean you and esires.

Does that mean that everyone saying they townlean someone they are mafia trying to pocket them or is it only applied to my situation because something else pinged you before? Theres no way you scum read my #31 line in itself as a pocketing attempt

You and screen*

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Additional note, Cloud hammered someone he said he fully expected to flip green. Now he's OK with lynching me even though he thinks I'm town. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

P-edit: Yeah, I noted that it could be a pocketing attempt because it came in tandem with a very early hammer. So it's the accumulation of each of these things, not just each individual thing, that makes me feel OK with voting you. Early hammer - then saying it's on someone you said you expect to flip town - listing me as a townlean for no real reason alongside said early hammer - saying you're OK with lynching me even though you think I'm town. I'm struggling to see why I should take my vote off of you?

Cause im town trying to win? Reconsidering reads is what town has to do to win, me being cautious about your slot doesnt mean i dont scumread your posts

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Thats not a bad vote, whos your 2nd guess for mafia?

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I was just curious

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There we go sweet heart, you finally understood.
Cloud doesn't hammer there as Scum.
Ircher is obvious Scum when Scum
Kaboose is genuine in trying to sort the game, I don't believe that Kaboose votes 3rd as Scum while Scum. I've seen a few of his games, he's not too bright.
And yours if only a gut town lean

Now explain your reads.

Looks like we make a fine pair, I can't do maths and you can't read. It's Post 164 where I explain myself in case you genuinely missed it though. Screen I read as town because he's contributing and looks like he's scumhunting, so I believe his claim.

That Cloud and Kaboose reasoning is full of WIFOM, Cloud more so.

The wifom arguement is really stupid

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Mjolnir should be town, his push on me is fair but the wifom arguement is just lolz

VOTE: esires

L-1 people

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Like the whole basis of wifom is that its either true or false and using something that sounds like reality to get away with it. Wanting to vote me for something that sounds wifom is like ignoring the whole possibility that it could just be what happened

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You thought I was scum, you thought skitter was scum, you thought pretty much all other players were scum at some point in the game and kept saying you're always right. You even shitposted up the game to the point where it was nearly unplayable trying to get me lynched (for anyone curious start with post 1904 in this game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72576&start=1900). And you didn't lynch anyone. You voted for a some people, who I also voted for, and none of your contributions influenced my decision to vote for either scum player. If anyone "lynched" Dog it was me since I hammered and won the game.

Anyways, back to not reading your posts for awhile.

P-edit: I'm VT so lynch me if you must but don't let Vedith win this if he's scum, that would really bum me out.

cool stuff, i appealed to you and you never tried to reconsider so eat a rope

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I would highly suggest we lynch an actual anti-town player (Cloud) instead though.

You are the one who voted town first, i gave you a chance and if you tell me you will use the rest of the time (about 15) to make a case on someone else i will unvote right away and listen to you, im here to talk if you want

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Your CW is Kaboose who i townread over you, so im voting you. My d1 hammer was arguably anti-town, my vote today isnt

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You're my strongest scumread so I'm not unvoting you because you want me to.

Im asking you to try and use the rest of the day to play as if you were wrong and try to find something to give town because otherwise, you are doing nothing and you are wrong, your only read on the whole game is on myself

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Even though you've already said you think I'm town and that you're perfectly fine with lynching town. Yeah, not at all anti-town.

Anti-town =/= mafia, anti-town = anti-town, anti-town people can have town win cons, anti-town behaviors can be used to achieved a town win-con

Like i can be voting someone i think might be town here to try to bully him up to make him consider other reads because they are dead wrong, or not

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Like im really fine lynching you if you would be death tunneling me all game, even if youre town

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The behavior itself of tunneling me and not trying to sort other slots is anti-town and is in itself an hindrance to my wincon

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Mjolnir should be town, his push on me is fair but the wifom arguement is just lolz

VOTE: esires

L-1 people

These are your own words you are calling lulz:

Also this is wifom territory and i expect people to disagree

but, overall theres wasnt a single scum gain for me to put myself on the light to just hammer a random guy with subpar posts who could very well be a mislynch down the road from a scum pov. Quickhammering a shitposter because he scumread me with abysmal logic isnt how extremely calculating scum!Cloud proceed, go and read my scum games if youre curious

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As you said, it could be what happened. There is an equal chance it isn't.

Not equal, its not a coinflip. Theres obviously wifom stuff that are shadier than others, instead of just looking at one thing i did, maybe try to read correctly the huge amount of content i posted since then

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About the wifom arguement, i didnt mean to say that calling it possible wifom as to defend myself was a joke, i said that justifying your vote and/or sr on someone for something that look like wifom is a weak arguement

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I think scum wouldnt care about trying to make cases on other players, so im i dont think youre town until you do so

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to the benefit of mafia than town

i lynched a scumread, he fliped town. I was wrong but i tried to play for my wincon. If echo was a red flip, would you still have the same feeling about my hammer? i doubt

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Yeah but see you're my biggest scumread so I don't particularly care. I think your townreads are fake because I think you're scum. That's my whole point here.

Then theres nothing i can say that can change your mind then, so lynching you is good

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You didn't lynch a scumread. You said you fully expected him to flip green.

If you read correctly my post you wouldnt have said that

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VOTE: echo

i townlean esires and screen

That was disappointing Cloud

its a blitz game, his last post was terrible but i do indeed expect a green flip

His vote made little as scum in retrospect but it kinda pisses me

In retrospect the vote was town because it wasnt a vote that was made in a suvavilism intent, he voted someone outside the 4 voting him and he couldve (and did) get and easy vote there just because he was antagonistic with someone outside his wagon. Thats why in retrospect it wasnt a scum vote, but at the time it pinged me that he ignored everyone but me for being impatient

Hm no, in retrospect like when i actually thought about it, if you look at the log i hammred his ass pretty quickly

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Retrospect was after the hammer, i knew it was a bad move but i just gambled it, then thought about his vote and expected a green flip

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Either you are scum who is very heavily playing the "scum wouldn't do this, it's far too obvious" card, or you are town who is self-admittedly playing very bloody mindedly towards your own interests and opinions. I'd say there is a fairly equal chance of both

No one know me in this game but this is literraly how i play town, sincerely just check my past town games

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You don't get to play a blatantly scummy, anti-town game and then claim it's best for town to lynch me because I'm calling you out for it.

Well you do get to I guess, but it's pretty shitty.

P-edit: Yes Cloud, you've linked evidence of what I just said, what did you intend to demonstrate?

I said in retrospect, aka after the hammer aka read the timestamp. When i hammered i expected a scum flip, then i left the game and did other stuff and was thinking about the flip and i reread differently his vote and then expected a green flip thats all

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Im not lynching you cause you scumread me, i do so because youre not even trying to do anything else

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Like im not responsible of your flip if you dont even try to gamesolve and consider that you might be wrong

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Esires is scummy at a certain degree, i think scum is just hiding since d1 and not participating much, also heres meta about my lynching town who never reconsidered on my slot and not giving a shit about it

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I absolutely consider that I might be wrong, and I've accepted the possibility that I am. I explained this above. I'll feel a lot worse about allowing you off the hook if you're scum than I will if I'm just wrong. But for real, you're my strongest scumread by a mile, so why would I take time to placate and appease my strongest scumread by building cases on other players for them, especially when none of the other players stand out as strongly as scum candidates?

To echo Mjollnir's post, who are your scumreads? And why would voting one of them not be more beneficial than voting someone you think is town?

Because you will be lynched for it and its bad for your win con so try

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i think scum is just hiding since d1 and not participating much

So, someone along the lines of Kaboose or Ircher? Kaboose you say you townread based off I assume his post explaining his decision to go with someone off wagon?

Ircher you've just said you found his L-1 vote weird but "you like his tone better today", do you still believe this?

Yea the major part of my read on kaboose is a string of 2-3 posts about his thought process, since then he did nothing but the post was pretty damn genuine

Ircher's vote d1 was odd but you could say my hammer was also odd and you wouldnt be wrong. I do liked his tone and the fact that vedith said hes obvious as scum makes me think hes probably town here. Also people dont tend to lie on meta like so im somewhat comfortable using it for my own read atm, so yea i kinda think hes town too.

I have been on a hiatus of mafia and i kinda lost the edge i had in my reads so yea, its normal if i struggle to find a really good scumread since im rusty

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Also people dont tend to lie on meta like so im somewhat comfortable using it for my own read atm

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idk i think hes playing opaque but isnt scummy

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Mafia dont lie about stuff that can be proven false, also can you comment on the screenshots i posted

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To put that game in context, i was the 2nd wagon and the biggest wagon i townread but, i was tracked to the kill n1 and i survived the whole game. I outtowntold everyone on the table and i lynched stubborn blue who just wanted to lynch me for being tracked to a kill, i was jaillkeeper and the target was ascetic so i was in a shitty situation.

Now this game, Esires showed no town thought process and never tried to do anything else but says hes fine with his vote on me. You disagreeing with how i view the game and how i play the game has no influence on my alignement whatsoever, im still town. What do you mean by what makes you feel diferently? I just showed that whatever anti-town behavior im being accused here beside the hammer d1 is fully integrated in my town meta on-site

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Yes we lost, but to be fair mafia played well and 3 blues deathtunneled for mechanics

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To be honest i used to be way sharper back then and i was playing a lot, then i stopped so my methods probably was more efficient back then. I also know i have a huge ego and sometimes it cost me games, but i also know thats one of the reason why i can get my scumread lynched because im loud as fuck.

I think its time to vote mjollnir

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Actually ill unvote and relog later in the day UNVOTE:

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Can you make me a decent vedith case and i promise ill try to consider it

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Can we just get esires? Mjolnir is like limit obvious town

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Im neutral scum fucking lol

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Then vote them

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Mjolnir is far and beyond what scum tends to do in game, hes really close to a locktown for me

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VOTE: esires

[CloudKicker]

L-1

[CloudKicker]

I will get away with it

[CloudKicker]

I will get away with it

That a shitty thing to say

Yes buts its the truth, just wait for his flip before implying anything, not being a dick has never been my forte

[CloudKicker]

Its close to deadline, just fucking hammer it

[CloudKicker]

Anyone not voting esires if theire isnt a highest wagon until deadline, and esires himself not selfing for town gain will be considered a scumclaim. 4hours to go we need to lynch not discuss

[CloudKicker]

A no lynch is even more beneficial for scum and you know it

[CloudKicker]

I appealed to you, you didnt try to do anything about it so no i wont let myself lynched over you

[CloudKicker]

Im kinda down to get kaboose too

[CloudKicker]

I hardclaim even-night cop and Osuka aka kaboose is town

[CloudKicker]

One of the reason of my hammering d1 is because i wanted to do something relatively scummy to assure myself to be alive long enough to get a check in i checkded kaboose cause he was the most likely lynch today and i didnt want to read a new player on that slot

[CloudKicker]

I just joined therefore am conftown

Why the fuck is cloud still alive
VOTE: cloud

For the record i suggest you unvote right away or its game over right now

[CloudKicker]

Not really, i lynched esires who hardscumread me for doing something scummy on purpose to try to get a check into possible lylo which is hard to justify w/o claiming

[CloudKicker]

2/3 screen/ircher/vedith are mafia

[CloudKicker]

Vote counts annoted

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.1- LYNCH!

EchoVision

(5)- Vedith,

Hopkirk,

Srceenplay, Ircher,

CloudKicker

Vedith (1)-

esires

CloudKicker

(1)-

EchoVision

Not Voting (2)-

Kaboose

,

Mjollnir

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

The leading wagon is EchoVision, who is at 5 votes (L-0)
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Votecount 2.1

CloudKicker

(1)-

esires

Not Voting (6)- Vedith,

Kaboose

,

Mjollnir

, Ircher, Srceenplay,

CloudKicker

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-07 02:28:53).

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Votecount 2.2

CloudKicker

(1)-

esires

esires

(1)-

Kaboose

Kaboose

(1)- Ircher

Not Voting (4)- Vedith,

Mjollnir

, Srceenplay,

CloudKicker

The leading wagons are CloudKicker, Esires and Kaboose, who are at 1 vote (L-3)

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-07 02:28:53).

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. [/color]

Votecount 2.3

esires

(2)-

Kaboose

, Vedith

Kaboose

(2)- Ircher, Srceenplay

CloudKicker

(1)-

esires

Vedith (1)-

Mjollnir

Not Voting (1)-

CloudKicker

The leading wagons are Esires and Kaboose, who are at 2 votes (L-2)

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-07 02:28:53).

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. [/color]

Votecount 2.3

esires

(3)-

Kaboose

, Vedith,

CloudKicker

Kaboose

(2)- Ircher, Srceenplay

CloudKicker

(1)-

esires

Vedith (1)-

Mjollnir

Not Voting (0)

The leading wagon is Esires, who is at 3 votes (L-1)

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-07 02:28:53).

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. [/color]

Votecount 2.4- LYNCH!

esires

(4)-

Kaboose

, Vedith,

CloudKicker

,

esires

CloudKicker

(1)- Ircher

Kaboose

(1)- Srceenplay
Vedith (1)-

Mjollnir

Not Voting (0)

The leading wagon is Esires, who is at 4 votes (L-0)

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-07 02:28:53).

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. [/color]

[CloudKicker]

Like relatively scummy? If I'm in the game d2, you're not making it to d3 because you're the lynch in every universe but the one in which you claimed yesterday

Pedit: I'm getting on a plane in 20 minutes so I'll be gone for a couple hours
I'll read them more later

What do you mean? echo couldve been a scum flip too, but apparently both scum rvs'd on town d1

[CloudKicker]

Also if you dont believe me, i didnt want to vote esires, i didnt want to vote you and called you town the moment your slot showed genuine thought process, but your slot didnt show up at crucial moment and i thought it could be scum tactics. I also called mjolnir locktown regardless of their reads on me

[CloudKicker]

@kaboose we have to decides together who we vote today and we should vote in tandem

[CloudKicker]

If you dont trust me it doesnt matter because i do trust your slot, and if anything goes run i will sheep you in the event you dont believe my claim, since otherwise im in autoloss

[CloudKicker]

goes bad*

[CloudKicker]

Sure, im going to work anyway and coming back in 10 hours + ish so i dont want to vote til then

[CloudKicker]

Cloud, are you going to tell Vedith?

For the record i suggest you unvote right away or its game over right now

Hm no since he ircher cannot be blitzed since theres at least one scum in vedith/ircher

[CloudKicker]

I say ircher

[CloudKicker]

Your ontent makes me regret checking you because i wouldve certainly townread you w/o a check

[CloudKicker]

Content*

[CloudKicker]

if he townreads me, you and ircher are confirmed mafia, maybe hes more sure on him than on you in the event that im mafia

[CloudKicker]

You mean confirmed as well as ircher? or you meant confirmed town

[CloudKicker]

I mean i have no prior experience with osuka in any game whatsoever, i also hardclaimed minutes after he voted me, it would mean that i tried to get towncred from a replace-in i have totally no experience/knowledge over

[CloudKicker]

So from my perspective the lynch should be Cloud or Vedith.

Why not ircher?

[CloudKicker]

I just joined therefore am conftown

Why the fuck is cloud still alive
VOTE: cloud

Also cheers mjollnir! I know you're there lurking

I hardclaim even-night cop and Osuka aka kaboose is town

like literraly in 2 minutes, i would have to play to hardclaim even night cop and inno that random guy voting me who i have no knowledge over, not being counterclaimed by any investigative role as of yet and do so when i wouldnt be in autoloss as scum

[CloudKicker]

Because of the way Vedith tried to get an immediate vote off felt off to me.

Honestly, thats extremely fucking weak

[CloudKicker]

I am town and im clearing osuka, i only need the real town to show up in the trio and try to towntell a fucking tornado so we can make an easy sweep. Saying you dont want to vote someone on lylo for something so weak is bad

[CloudKicker]

But, its true that in your town pov, theres 100% scum in me and vedith but not wanting to vote ircher for vedith's behavior, aka confirmed mafia if ure town from your pov because i know my role and my check, is terrible

[CloudKicker]

I mean i have no prior experience with osuka in any game whatsoever, i also hardclaimed minutes after he voted me, it would mean that i tried to get towncred from a replace-in i have totally no experience/knowledge over

Scum chat together.

Yea okay VOTE: screen if ure town you lose for that post

[CloudKicker]

cya im banking the game on that

[CloudKicker]

Nope, you lose

[CloudKicker]

Screen that post was abysmal

[CloudKicker]

thats not town

[CloudKicker]

but i told you i would sheep you so

UNVOTE: you can have my vote whenever you want

[CloudKicker]

Yes but ircher is the initial neihborizer correct

[CloudKicker]

Vedith and Ircher both claim neighbors

Your lack of reaction to my vote is so telling when you hard townread me earlier in the game

[CloudKicker]

theres a different in healthy suspicion around lylo and to not react to a hard townread voting your slot in lylo

[CloudKicker]

Keep talking shit because you don't understand my reasoning and I will just self vote.

Cool then youll lose good stuff, osuk and i are town, if ure town stop telling me you dont wanna vote confirmed scum from your fucking pov for no good reason whatsoever

[CloudKicker]

Like screen you being lynched as town means you played so poorly a coinflip wouldve yielded a better result in average

[CloudKicker]

That's fucking sketchy

I really liked ircher for scum but now it's either you/screen or ircher/vedith

If you're scum and you win, it'll be because of that claim

Yea and im literraly what i claimed with my check on you only because of the replace in, i was checking ircher. I literraly spammed the mod 3-4 times because i kept changing my mind

[CloudKicker]

theres a different in healthy suspicion around lylo and to not react to a hard townread voting your slot in lylo

If you were a hard town read I wouldn't be talking about voting you.

And yet, you saw my town play in long and in lenght in our only game together before this one

[CloudKicker]

I cant be teamed with screen

[CloudKicker]

I mean i could, but i only unvoted for the sake of not lying when i told you i would sheep you

[CloudKicker]

Also osuka you have to realize that whatever happen, if you arent the nightkill tonight you are the hammer in 3 way lylo so you have to invest yourself a lot

[CloudKicker]

What reaction do you expect? Flailing?
You have controlled the flow of this game and now now is in a losing position.

To be fair, 2 scum voted echo d1, esires tried to cw me and i would never let that happen when i was about to get a check in

[CloudKicker]

That's fucking sketchy

I really liked ircher for scum but now it's either you/screen or ircher/vedith

If you're scum and you win, it'll be because of that claim

Screen can still be mafia and me town, just because i voted them in lylo for 4 minutes doesnt mean jack

[CloudKicker]

Cloud, in what planet does a town fake claim neighbor to support another neighbor fakeclaim

Honestly no idea, im not from this site and i dont have that much knowledge about the claim meta or setup specs or fake claims

[CloudKicker]

Im not scum

[CloudKicker]

i dont care about any claims, nothing makes me scum

[CloudKicker]

Mafia could claim neihgbor on their mafia partner, or mafia niehbor can neighbor town, or town neihbor can niehbor mafia good

[CloudKicker]

Okay let me rephrase the question

In what planet does a town fakeclaim to support another fakeclaim short of a roleswap

never, but scum neihbors do exist

[CloudKicker]

They can both be in a niehborhood PT and still 1 of them being scum or both if scum yolod it and inclued their partner in neihborhood or just faked it all together

[CloudKicker]

They arent mason, is they were mason the mod wouldve lied to me

[CloudKicker]

Aka the game wouldve ended with a t win

[CloudKicker]

Nothing pairs anyone but me and you, since you cannot be mafia if im not mafia

[CloudKicker]

that is very true and actually is a great point

Who was the original neighbor maker thing again?

I am assuming ircher, vedith said that he eventually townreead ircher for the neihbor things, im assuming its because he was the orignal neihbors (assumption)

[CloudKicker]

Yes but not the other way around since mafia cops exist here

Its a normal, mafia cop doesnt exist or you mean that im just scum claiming cop? i received an alignement as a check not a role

[CloudKicker]

actually im not sure about normal roles scratch that

[CloudKicker]

Yes but not the other way around since mafia cops exist here

im really confident screen is a dirty mefia

[CloudKicker]

screen refusal to vote ircher is too evident too, i dont think a town niehbor is a role that is hard to believe

[CloudKicker]

You said you would vote between cloud and vedith, im pretty syre it implies that you do not want to vote for ircher or am i brain dead

[CloudKicker]

I dont think they are both neihbor or i misunderstood

[CloudKicker]

Osuka if they are both neighbor and we assume that there isnt 2 town neihbor, then screen is conf mefia

[CloudKicker]

So from my perspective the lynch should be Cloud or Vedith.

You said you would vote between cloud and vedith, im pretty syre it implies that you do not want to vote for ircher or am i brain dead

Brain dead.
I'm saying that who I'm think the vote should be. That's not saying I will not vote someone.

So, you are implied that what you actually meant there, is that you want X and Y to be the lynches, but maybe that you might not participate and vote W if you wanted

[CloudKicker]

implying*

[CloudKicker]

Saying "i want X and Y to be the lynches" is literraly saying "i will participate in X or Y's lynches" and the only fucking way we can participate is by voting, or am i understanding something wrong

[CloudKicker]

Osuka if they are both neighbor and we assume that there isnt 2 town neihbor, then screen is conf mefia

Wait that's true

How would there be 2 town neighbors here though? That would make you scum

True lol but like i meant setup specs wise, if we assume that 2 town neihbors or 2 scum neihbors doesnt exist then

the cross

[vedith] [ircher] contains exactly one mafia and one town

meaning that you are confirmed town because you can only be mafia if im mafia and

that the other cross is [cloudkicker] vs [screen] aka im town and he would then be mafia

[CloudKicker]

but i think we just misunderstood the claims

[CloudKicker]

So from my perspective the lynch should be Cloud or Vedith.

You said you would vote between cloud and vedith, im pretty syre it implies that you do not want to vote for ircher or am i brain dead

Brain dead.
I'm saying that who I'm think the vote should be. That's not saying I will not vote someone.

So, you are implied that what you actually meant there, is that you want X and Y to be the lynches, but maybe that you might not participate and vote W if you wanted

I'm saying you two are who is se as suspicious.

You can be scum with anyone.
Osuka can only be with you.
If it is to be believed that the neighbors are 1 and 1 that means you have to be scum.

but i aint

[CloudKicker]

the masons thingy was retarded at best considering he fucking voted them instantly today. Masons by deffinition shares alignement and are town aligned or its not a normal game, thats the basic

[CloudKicker]

At worst, it could be this type of neihborhoods where both shares a PT but they cant recruit additionnal persons and start with that PT d1

[CloudKicker]

Saying "i want X and Y to be the lynches" is literraly saying "i will participate in X or Y's lynches" and the only fucking way we can participate is by voting, or am i understanding something wrong

The point that I was making is that you two are the ones I'm looking at. You two is were my suspicion is.

yes but we are fucking town and if you are also town, you should revise your read or ill literraly lynch your ass for being extremely subpar at lylo

[CloudKicker]

WE ARENT TALKING ABOUT MASONS, SCREENS BROUGHT IT UP

[CloudKicker]

Osuka, if ircher and vidith actually started with that neighborhood d1 it means that either they faked that whole wierd claim which i have never seen and coincidently screen is town but is going back on his hard reads and play terribly, or screen is just straight up scum

[CloudKicker]

Like even from your own pov osuka where i could be mafia, you can clearly see that im not mafia with screen and that the actual cross from your pov is also

Vedith/ircher

CK/Screen

with 1 mafia in each crosses

[CloudKicker]

No, they could be both town sharing a PT in theory, it happened to me in another normal game

[CloudKicker]

Whut, even as scum? meaning i could be town claiming role cop and not being one

[CloudKicker]

Screen you realize that you are trying to discredit the claim of your earlier townread, its less fun when i claim cop and threaten your whole game

[CloudKicker]

Hardclaiming cop because of the subs vote is ballsy as fuck

And if you're scum you're not afraid of getting quickhammered, so there's no fear factor there to help him if he's maf. Even ballsier

Check the timestamp, that would be god level of balls

[CloudKicker]

But im not role cop

[CloudKicker]

im just a basic copper

[CloudKicker]

Its just not coherent, we arent talking about being adaptive in your reads, we are talking you are straight up campagning for the worst case scenario on lylo against someone you said you townread, you had experience with and i also flippd pr this game

[CloudKicker]

Screen is most definetly scum, i mixed neighborizer and neihbors

[CloudKicker]

yea thats what happening, but killing me just clears osuka

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: screen

Ill take the blame if somehow both scum claimed neihbors successfully

[CloudKicker]

In any cases im confirming the crosses

[CloudKicker]

@ircher and vesith i want you both tonpost as to clears yourself as scumteam

[CloudKicker]

Eother i lose or youre confirmed scum, so us interacting in anyway is now irrelevant

[CloudKicker]

Any way*

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: lol i changed my mind

[CloudKicker]

Ill let osuka do his thing today

[CloudKicker]

good vote

[CloudKicker]

I'm thinking the possibility of there being no neighbors might be a thing.
I don't know now.

Whom ever is the town needs to help me with thought process. I'm at a loss.

myself and osuka are the only town from your town pov

[CloudKicker]

Screen, once osuka and myself post at about the same time, i expect you to instant clear my ass and osuka's from your pov, your failling to do so will earn yourself a lockvote

[CloudKicker]

Last scenario is scumteam made up the neihbors claim, but that would also means that theres only 1 even-night cop in the game and thats it

[CloudKicker]

im posting