Micro 732: Miss List (Game Over)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey guys

What's shaking?

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Yep, it's just a really good starter to see how the person you're voting reacts. Is going with the joke me trying to be friendly with Grey or earnest amusement? Is me being cheeky a towntell or scumtell?

Good luck figuring it out, asshole.

Why was this called for?

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Well I have no particular reason to lynch D3f3nd3r. Neal seems slightly more likely to be scum, so he likely is.

VOTE: Neal

still semi RVS

Why are you scum reading him?

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Well I have no particular reason to lynch D3f3nd3r. Neal seems slightly more likely to be scum, so he likely is.

VOTE: Neal

still semi RVS

Why are you scum reading him?

I'm not very much. It's just a vague gut feeling. I could be totally wrong, but i haven't got anything stronger to go on. It's mostly random.

Has to be something giving you that gut feeling. Is it his tone? Something he said?

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@LUV can you change your avi please?
If he says no I'll change mine.

No

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Are you always like this Brie? I can't help but feel like your cautiousness is a bit overdone and unwarranted.

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Post deleted. Please do not discuss ongoing games outside the game thread.

-Something_Smart

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-Something_Smart

It was a meta based question and had nothing to do with this game but alright.

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I have an idea for why the game has sort of suffered but I'll save it for post game.

I legitimately don't have a scum read right now.

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I have an idea as to why the game has sort of suffered but I'll save it for post game.

I legitimately don't have a scum read right now.

EBWOP.

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Yeah I was going to do that.

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I actually think she might be town though and her cautious play is part of some personality quirk.

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Can you explain where you're basing your meta on me from, Game Replacement?

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VOTE: Game Replacement

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I could do Prism now as well but I have a strange feeling that won't get entertained.

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I could do Prism now as well but I have a strange feeling that won't get entertained.

Entertain me.

Can't.

I think you rolled scum this game

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Not really.

I just need to find the other 4 members of the town.

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Quite interesting the expressed disbelief about my scum reads when there are strategic reasons for why someone wouldn't explain right a read away. Scum are more likely to fake having reads by just piggybacking on those pushing Brie and come up with contrived reasons to scum read her play.

My scum read on Game Replacement recently comes from me being aware of his main and his push on me. He's only played one game with me on his main account in which yes I was scum, but by no means lurked. I can provide this game for reference as well any other scum games if anyone is curious or in doubt and you can all see for yourself.

So not only is he using one game to meta me, he's falsely misrepresenting my play in that game and now using it justify his read on me as well as push for my lynch. I'm more inclined to believe this is coming from scum, as town are more likely to not base an entire scum read on someone on meta, especially on someone they haven't played many games with or even know. It feels like scum who is taking advantage of an uniformed crowd and hoping having no one question the base of the push.

As for Prism, he seems off from what I remember, at least tone wise. The joking around earlier with Grey felt forced and like someone trying to be accepted. However, I haven't played with Prism in almost over a year though so I hanged back, but his call for more D3 votes has sealed it for me. He's scum reading NAI things like effort and I feel like he is in the process of slowly leading others to follow the misleading account he's given about D3's activity. Posting throughout the day would imply that someone has been extremely active but the reality is that everyone has been low in activity. No one has reached a reasonable level of activity to a point where you can say they've posting throughout the day.

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It's misleading because it's a very small sample size. 12 posts is not someone who's been extremely active throughout the day. It also doesn't mean anything. Effort and lack of commenting on issues you feel of are importance is NAI.

I'm talking about what I know of your personality. You seem like a sort of to your self kind of a guy which lead me to find your joking comparable to someone trying to awkwardly fit-in.

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Funny the caution you noted earlier in regards to Brie is absent with your vote you just casted. Where is the awareness? You just put me at L-1.

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We actually have more completed games than 1. Even on my main alone I'm sure if it, LUV

But I applaud your attempt to try and reason the push on me.

Prove it.

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Seems like LUV is drawing names out of a hat.

VOTE: LUV

This guy is still scum.

Will vote for him or Brie so far. Would also not be sad on a Defender lynch.

LUV's case on Prism is not very solid. First (and if you take offense at this Uzi that's fine) Uzi doesn't have a solid grasp on what's alignment indicative. From past experience he likes dismissing anything he doesn't understand as NAR. It's a bad habit. Second, Prism is right. Defender has been on literally every single day since this game began: search.php?author_id=18628&sr=posts

He has contributed nothing of value to the game. That's a pretty damn good reason to lynch someone. Uzi, if you have a better scumread I'll follow it - especially if it's Neal or Brie.

P.S. Speaking of NAR stuff, why is Brie town because she's cautious?

P.P.S.

Town is Prism, Uzi, and most likely Game Replacement (although it would help if I knew if Red Coyote picked up his role PM)

I don't think I misunderstood what is and isn't actually alignment indicative. I think we just vastly the approach the game differently. I don't believe in town or scum tells for one and I tend to look for exaggerations, distortions, and manipulation as those are things I think town never do. There is no town motivation behind doing them and it's very easy to see who's doing it maliciously and who is just town and unaware.

I wouldn't be opposed to a D3 lynch. I understand why he's being scum read but all I can say is from my experience, lack of effort and game solving can come from town. Town can go through games mostly just off-topic posting and not giving a fuck. Not saying it's correct, but it happens.

As for why I lean town Brie, I did my homework and I feel like this is just how she is as a person and that she isn't forcing this cautiousness to get town read. It feels fluid and natrually. Personality can help me understand how a player plays far more than anything and I feel like I have a solid idea of how her mind works from my research. It isn't enough for me to lock town her but enough for me to leave her alone for now.

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I can do Neal however.

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I don't think I misunderstood what is and isn't actually alignment indicative. I think we just vastly the approach the game differently. I don't believe in town or scum tells for one and I tend to look for exaggerations, distortions, and manipulation as those are things I think town never do. There is no town motivation behind doing them and it's very easy to see who's doing it maliciously and who is just town and unaware.

I wouldn't be opposed to a D3 lynch. I understand why he's being scum read but all I can say is from my experience, lack of effort and game solving can come from town. Town can go through games mostly just off-topic posting and not giving a fuck. Not saying it's correct, but it happens.

As for why I lean town Brie, I did my homework and I feel like this is just how she is as a person and that she isn't forcing this cautiousness to get town read. It feels fluid and natrually. Personality can help me understand how a player plays far more than anything and I feel like I have a solid idea of how her mind works from my research. It isn't enough for me to lock town her but enough for me to leave her alone for now.

Ah gosh, the logic players. This takes me back.

Town "exaggerate, distort, and manipulate" all the time, especially if you're lenient with those terms. Sure, scum might stretch to make a case, but town might "stretch" to make a case too. And manipulation is, if anything, a town tell. I need four of you voting with me if the scum won't play ball to get the lynches I want. That means I will beg, plead, cajole, threaten, promise, beg, borrow, and steal to get those votes. Now I'd prefer not to. But this isn't a game of islands.

As for meta, discard it. It's the Rorschach test of mafia. Last game with you I went looking for some to push back against the tchill lynch. I found some that aligned perfectly with him for scum meta, and was swayed by it. Surprise, it didn't work (although he kinda was independently not playing well, he wasn't wagoned for no reason). Ask yourself "why is Brie doing what she's doing?" And she's being cajoled into voting because it's scummy not to vote. She's apologizing to the people she's voting. She's downplaying her own skill, and deliberately weakening her vote by doing so - to say "don't blame me if I'm wrong". Those are great, great reasons to lynch her.

Motivations are the only good way to get a read on people. Sure, distortions/manipulations/exaggerations are one way to find it, but people can tell the honest truth and still be scum.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of motivation as well. The thing about tchill that game was that a lot of what he did when he did it just made no sense as either alignment. There was too much of that for me to go with the things he did that actually had scum motivation and vote for me. I do agree with you on meta but I think it's a good starting base for a read. There are also some players you just cannot read without it in my opinion.

The thing with me about Brie here is that all the things you listed only bring unnecessarily unwanted attention. They're scummy things but I don't see her subtly doing them and I think scum try it be sneaky rather than upfront unless they either like to abuse meta and are extremely cocky or like to play up the lynch bait card. I just don't think she's trying to do either. However she has seemed to promised that she will produce with time and I don't mind her voting her if by the middle of D2 she doesn't get better.

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VOTE: Neal

I like Neal over D3 because a lot of his attempts to scum hunt feel hollow and lifeless. I get a just trying to keep up appearances vibe from him. I also don't like his hop on my wagon.

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I want to hear more from Assemble and A Simple Plan.

Are we close to deadline? Feels like it.

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VOTE: Neal

I like Neal over D3 because a lot of his attempts to scum hunt feel hollow and lifeless. I get a just trying to keep up appearances vibe from him. I also don't like his hop on my wagon.

If this ain't opportunistic I don't know what is.

What would you call your vote then?

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VOTE: Neal

I like Neal over D3 because a lot of his attempts to scum hunt feel hollow and lifeless. I get a just trying to keep up appearances vibe from him. I also don't like his hop on my wagon.

If this ain't opportunistic I don't know what is.

What would you call your vote then?

a vote on scum. You're throwing things around hoping something will stick. And when it doesn't, you conveniently hop on a completely different wagon.

Excuse me?

I have offered to provide evidence that suggests that Game Replacement not is only misrepresenting my scum meta, but is intentionally doing it. If you notice, I've asked him to put his money where his mouth is and show how he's come to believe that I lurk as scum. He's opted not to because he's most likely bullshitting. You've shown no interest in determining whether my reasoning for my scum read on him is genuine. What am I hoping that sticks here and why?

Prism can see how I came about thinking his earlier interactions felt forced. You've also shown no interest in determining if my read on him is genuine or not. What am I hoping that sticks here and why?

I've only casted 1 vote before I've casted my vote for you. The same vote that sadly ended up turning out to be vanity wagon that I started. Where are you getting the nerve to imply that I've been hoping excessively?

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Asking a question regarding someone's meta, voting, and saying who I'm willing to vote is seeing what sticks rather than scum hunting and taking stances.

Got it!

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Mine explaining why you disagree with the reasons given?

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Yep.

Should be still time to switch no?

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@Mod: Is plurality in effect?

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Where the fuck is the rest of this game?

Well since Scum are being voted my bet is they are hiding in hope of not lynching

Uh this sort of implies that you're scum given I'm not the leading wagon anymore.

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VOTE: Defender

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Uh this sort of implies that you're scum given I'm not the leading wagon anymore.

I said being voted, not leading wagon.
Scum LUV

And D3 and Neal are the people who are being voted. I haven't had a vote casted for me in a while.

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And D3 and Neal are the people who are being voted. I haven't had a vote casted for me in a while.

So you, D3 and Neal are all scum, or what?

You said scum are hiding in hopes of a no lynch.

I was voting for Neal and now I just recently voted for D3. According to your words, how am I scum?

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You said scum are hiding in hopes of a no lynch.

I was voting for Neal and now I just recently voted for D3. According to your words, how am I scum?

I didn't mean literally all 4 scum were hiding. But yeah, I think scum are.

Wanna hammer D3?

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VOTE: Neal

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Can you explain Assemble to me?

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Wait I need to reread. I thought Assemble was on the D3 wagon this entire time.

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Eh, I still lean Game Replacement to be honest.

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Waiting to see if he checks in..

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Assemble.

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I'm down.

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Intent to hammer

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Just want to reread a bit.

I'll probably drop the hammer just before midnight.

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VOTE: Assemblerotws

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Just make your final case on Prism and go

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No.

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VOTE: Game Replacement

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Good game. I had attempted to sacrifice Night 1 so it was just bad luck there.

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I gave you the chance to explain why you're town.
You didn't want to take it, so don't give me that.

No you fucking threw.

Literally no reason to say 400 as town. Had you not I would've probably not voted.

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Indeed.

Wish we had gotten him earlier

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No you fucking threw.

Literally no reason to say 400 as town. Had you not I would've probably not voted.

I wanted to make sure you put a vote down.
You avoided this game a lot while posting elsewhere all game.

So to me, you would just try to run the timer down. I put you in a situation where you either had to vote, be replaced or be voted.

You refused to co operate with me today, so accept that.

You're crazy. Your entire case on me was based on incorrect meta.

Prism had promised he would meta dive me before voting. He clearly didn't do that because if he had I'm sure he would've posted his analysis. That should've been a big red flag. In LYLO, not just Prism, but town would prove they attempted to do some due diligence.

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You're crazy. Your entire case on me was based on incorrect meta.

Prism had promised he would meta dive me before voting. He clearly didn't do that because if he had I'm sure he would've posted his analysis. That should've been a big red flag. In LYLO, not just Prism, but town would prove they attempted to do some due diligence.

Yet you had no interest in discussing any of this during the day.
I believe your response to my engage was "No".

Yeah because you were scummy

Please put yourself in the shoes of anyone else who was town and reevaluate your play.

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Yeah because you were scummy

Please put yourself in the shoes of anyone else who was town and reevaluate your play.

But that wasn't the point.
The entire point was, I was being lynched.

IF

I'm town, then I am killing one of you 2. If that situation you should be explaining why I pick you over Prism.

And you say I played scummy, you avoided the game as much as possible. Why would I not revenge kill there every time knowing you were active else where?

No I shouldn't have. Not with a case like yours.

Lurking isn't AI. Why would you revenge kill? There was literally nothing about my content that you scum read.

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Prism deserves an Oscar for that self-vote.

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No I shouldn't have. Not with a case like yours.

Lurking isn't AI. Why would you revenge kill? There was literally nothing about my content that you scum read.

I actually 're read both your ISO several times.
Prism starts off town and looks Scum later
You start off Scum look town and go back to Scum.

Why should I have revenge killed Prism over You? I didn't have a case there either and neither of you were interested in helping.

I just said why.

I'm not going to pretend I scum read him for his back and forth with you but the last vote he laid down was total scum. My earlier interactions with him as well my interactions with one of his partners in Neal, strongly pointed to me as town too.

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I guess it's a reminder not to rush LyLo.

Personally I thought you played it well given the situation you were in. You had a damn hard choice.

Wouldn't say it was rushed as it was more of GR's last post looking like scum succeeding.