Micro 733: What A Grand Idea! (Game Done!!)

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I am now able to post. Started catching up, will finish tomorrow. Please don't lynch anyone before I have read.

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Please don't hammer. I have a lot I would like to today.

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Unvote please

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Mulch please unvote and claim.

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Thank you.

Caught up, no time to post. Don't l1 anyone. Content today.

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Sneaking this in in the middle of other stuff

I think that Mulch is really overblown here. He's acting like it's the worst thing in the world that he got a 'zero shot bulletproof' role when in fact he's got a shot of bulletproof, which is helpful, and has the potential to get more, which is better than just being a bulletproof. It feels really played up and the way he calls Eddie Cane ASS specifically as opposed to one of the solo scum members as well as just his general demeanour and some of the behaviour of his predecessors and even this weird self-vote gambit because 'it will help town!' when Mulch is not ignorant enough to believe that selfvoting here would help town and if he really believed it I would expect him more likely to selfhammer in a blaze of frustration and fury. And just claiming bulletproof along with this spectacular show of passionate frustration (that doesn't feel passionate at all) feels like he's trying to deter nightkills on him. He's solo scum at best but I specifically think he's the ASS.

Rest of reads later.

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(Oh: and I specifically believe that we do not want to lynch the ASS today. More on that later.)

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lynching ass is ideal today. lynching one of the solo scums might actually be worse than mislynching town. if we lynch a solo scum we enter night 3 v 1 v 1. ass diies and we enter probable mylo. town dies and it's 2 v 1 v 1 and we almost certainly lose. lynch scum, ass wins automatically. lynch ass, town gets endgamed unless we have a killproof or something else random that can 1v1 a scum (very unlikely).

Wrong!

If we know

who

the ASS is, we no lynch until scum kills the ASS. If they kill town instead, whichever town is still alive selfvotes to give the win to the ASS.
By doing so, we can force the ASS to be killed and make it to 3 way.

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I think it's pretty unlikely that scum end up cross killing. If they find a townie threatening in my experience they will always shoot the townie rather than trying to kill the other scum.
If we get to night with 2 disconnected shooters and 3 town I think that it's pretty damn likely that each of the shooters will put themself into a mental state of 'well I can't win if I leave X alive' and shoot a towny and town just loses. I would be more comfortable attempting to remove one of the nightkills from the equation.

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OK VOTE: mulch

I'm not dealing with this game lol

Or you could help us lynch solo scum.

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You're not RadiantCowbells so please stop pretending to be.

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If he's jester then there's only one other town and I'm fine with losing the game?

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I looked up the role myself, it's legitimate and it exists.

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To be gamethrowing he has to be town which I find pretty exceedingly unlikely.

Unless it's Acid/Sobo solo scum with Slimer ASS.

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There is nothing for me to do to defend myself so why bother delaying the inevitable? Not gamthrowing if you ask me

You could explain why you are in fact town and all these other clownfucks are in fact not town.

What's your role, huh?

We'll get there. I do have a pertinent result for this day phase that I will out later.

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Town 0-shot bulletproof

Gain a shot for every 2 players who die.

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Would prefer to lynch Sobolev today so please unvote

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Mulch would you not?

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...then we'll find out next time on dragon ball Z? what does it matter at this point

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Slimer, claim please.

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because I wasn't sure if that claim was to avoid nks mulch. just because you hate this game doenst mean we know thst to be fact.

VOTE: slimer

I don't think that we want to lynch the ASS right now.
Can we get rid of Sobolev? Did you see my plan for dealing with 4 way?

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Actually I kind of don't want to get rid of Sobolev because at least the other scum knows where to shoot in prisoner's dilemma while she's alive.

I feel decently confident that you're town Eddie and I hope that you recognize that I'm town as well: if you think Mulch is town then Acid should be scum. Conversely, if Acid is town, that proves that Mulch is in fact scum and scum should generally know who the other scum are when it comes to shooting.

Let's lynch Acidphoenix?

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Pizza is not a scum, Pizza is deliciously cheesy and smothered in tomato sauce and topped with pepperoni, sausage, arugulua, tomatoes, and much much more!

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Acid: from your point of view if you are town there are 3 scum in the remainder of the game. You seem to concur with me that Eddie is town. Who do you think the last town is?

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My slot's result was that Eddie Cane is a [blank], only one of which exists and is aligned with town. Unless he got a randomized reroll which I think is unlikely he is highly likely to be town.

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Somethign along those lines.

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Actually I should claim because it's important.

I'm a role cop AND bodyguard. So we should probably decide who I'm targeting because scum probably don't want to shoot me while the ASS is alive.

Also why I want to get rid of one of the kills.

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Eddie's role is less useful than mine given an extra target.

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Uhh no we're using my ability to find the ASS.

The bodyguard component of my role is far less valuable than clearing people of being role cop, and we have claims from both Mulch and Slimer so it's a really easy way to solve part of the game.

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What precisely is your role?

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I still want to lynch one of {Mulch/Acidphoenix} to solve the rest of the game.

I don't want either of them getting shot in prisoner's dilemma as town.

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I feel pretty confident that Slimer is scum of some sort. All I'd be doing is clearing Slimer as ASS vs Groupscum, and I think that answer is given by a Mulch lynch.
Same feelings about Sobolev, with the caveat that given that she is very likely groupscum I'm happy to get rid of her because I don't accidentally lynch the ASS.

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I just spit out my chinese food at you claiming your role for no reason.

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You should be able to get your own chinese food.

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VOTE: Acidphoenix

I think that this is one of the killing scum, and I'm not leaving him alive if he can make himself immune to crosskills by redirecting me to him if we mislynch.

I guess Mulch makes more sense as town than any of the remaining non-Eddie players. I definitely think he would selfvote, definitely think he would selfvote to L-1, but he had already made his point and there's aspects to it that feel towny I guess. It did feel like he was actually trying to get lynched and I think I would have noticed something off if he wasn't. Most of the reason I scumread him was not super great in hindsight and I feel like him pushing on Eddie made me scumread him a lot more than I should have.

I also really don't feel like AcidPhoenix is searching for another scum specifically in a way that's hard to articulate: I feel based on the way that he's been talking to me and Mulch that he thinks that we're both town, which doesn't add up unless he's scum who correctly has Sobolev as last scum with Slimer as the ASS. Like I feel like he's just trying to not rock the boat with us for now with the way that he townread me. And immediately saying that he was gonna make me protect him feels fucking awful. Why is he entitled to my protection and if he's town why is it so important, and more importantly why is he not more concerned that he's making me shoot him for an extra kill?

Also, TheBrie felt town from what little content she had on reread and I think that is more important than my scumread on Mulch.

I think it's Acid/Sobolev killing scum Slimer3 ASS and I would like to lynch this first to get rid of it both to get rid of the role if it's scum and to confirm whether or not Mulch is town.

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And the 'damn the mod discretion' roles feels super bad: if he was town he knew he was town so why would he be worried about whether the role came up as town or mod discretion?

Anyway.

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Okay, let's do the acid thing.

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I think this pizza dude could be scum. The fact they didn't say your role and instead had you claim first was bad. We could have confirmed him if we made him do it.

Are you townreading Acidphoenix?

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Your repeated implication that Sobo double killed is sort of a dead give away that you know that neither of us are flipping scum dude.
Sobo double killing is something worth considering: super unlikely, but worth considering. But the way you're talking about it it continues to feel clear you think there's only one extra scum.
And frankly I'm not letting you force me to body block Sobolev's shot on you.

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Wait did I miss something? Why is everyone so deadset on me being scum?

It was always known.

We need you to vote Acid, by the way, since I doubt Sobolev will.

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What high end bullshit are you referring to?

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So correct me if I'm wrong: your implication is that I may have claimed to know Eddie's role while knowing nothing of it?
I also don't see how being a bodyguard helps me ward off nightkills because I'm now responsible for bodyguarding anyone that we want alive: but okay.

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What happens if Eddie isn't in fact a role that's only a one of that is town? What if he's just scum or what if he's some town role that isn't that role?
What if I get called out and forced to claim that? What kind of play is that, lol?

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mulch mate. please just listen to me, pizza is town.

I'm probably leaning towards lynching slimer over acid just to be safe and letting nks resolve the gamd

Please don't. Scum won't target town.

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Erm. Won't target each other.

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We lynch solo scum
Scum nightkills town
I confirm the identity of the ASS and we NL
Scum is forced to shoot ASS
then we face 3 way LyLo and attempt to lynch scum.

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Well then it was Mulch, like I originally advocated.

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But I don't think that I was ever going to convince Eddie to vote Mulch so you had to go.

Sorry.

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Sobolev, I'm town. Shoot Mulch if you want to win.

I doubt you actually believe I'm scum given how absolutely bogus your 'theory' that I claimed role cop not knowing his actual role is, especially considering that knowing his actual role doesn't confirm my alignment in any way: there's scum roles that have role cops. But I suspect you're going to shoot me anyway because I'm too threatening to leave alive.

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There's nothing especially convenient about it and in fact I think it's far less convenient than simply claiming role cop because now I have to take responsibility if someone dies that I was supposed to be protecting. But you're scum, so.

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I'm making sure I don't get the nightkill because I'm the one who hunts the ASS. Claiming bodyguard is entirely tertiary to that and doesn't benefit me in any way
I mean I didn't lynch you today on the presumption that you were in fact a fucking idiot but I guess you were just playing dumb because it works.
Won't fool me with that again, that's for sure.

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Wait but if acid flips town there's still 2 NKs in play, no?

Yes, so that would be yours and Mulch's.

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So do I role cop you or do I let scum shoot you?

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Yeah: if this flips town I am not going to be protecting Mulch. Open season, scummies.
On scumflip I check Mulch and you guys can kill among yourselves.

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nou

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sobo is town if this is scum btw

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UNVOTE:

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Mulch scumclaimed so hard on that fakehammer

VOTE: Mulch

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Sobo you are such an idiot

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VOTE: slimer3

Sobo is a vig

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Compulsive odd night vig

Who happens to either be fucking stupid or game throwing because if we lynched groupscum which we were aiming for we just lost

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Holy shit ss were you even reading the fucking game

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four of us

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I have done so

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I wasn't given a post link but I can find it again

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Town Compulsive Odd-Night Vigilante

Town Jailkeeper

By the way I'm planning to host a Grand Idea large theme once my large normal is done.

Can I pre-in?

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VOTE: slimer

nothing to say about how shit you played?

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if the game does't end vig eddie

im town i swear

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activated bulletproof

and i'm positive if you're scum you cativaed it last night

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Sure! release scum pt

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Thsi was, like, never a town win.

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read mafia chat lol

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Keychain, read mafia chain and guess who I am.