Micro 741: Reverse Mafia (mafia win)
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
strategy for me in this game will probably be just townhunting
lynching nulltowns is good until you run into the situation where mafia are nulltown- i'd prefer to just lynch the towniest players in order
town won micro 604 but in that game ozymandias fit into the category you're describing- town won because snarkysnowman made himself fairly obvious with his l-1 on ozzy-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:most scum don't usually plan that far in advance IMO
why do you think this?-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
that isn't what's happening- anything happening this early is not a commitment. it could be distancing. i don't particularly lean any way on cd/cfj. it's possible they're scumbuddies, but nothing makes it likely.
the point of asking was to figure out your alignment, because saying that most scum "don't plan that far in advance" when it comes to just pushing a partner early for possible towncred later is pretty hard for me to get my head around. bussing and distancing is very widespread on this site. and this isn't even bussing.-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
I meant more along the lines of it's not unlikely? It was bad wording. But the point of the post stands; anything done now is so easily taken back I see no reason scum would ever avoid any of that, and I don't see why you think otherwise.In post 63, GuiltyLion wrote:nothing is impossible in mafia, what's the point of talking about things or trying to make guesses if that's your standard?
@callforjudgement; Weak reads are fine. But when the basis looks null, I reserve the right to question your thought process on the read.-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
it's absolutely easy. like, reads are extremely fluid as town. i can form a read on page 2 and by page 6 i can forget it ever existed because it's all just reachy stuff. i would be more suspicious if cd just tunneled cfj for the rest of d1, and didn't take into account new stuff that's coming in.In post 67, GuiltyLion wrote:
except I just explained why it's unlikely? It's not easy to just "take back" things you post. You're saying if cd changed his mind and voted cfj now you wouldn't be surprised at that? when do we cross the line from "easy to take back" to "not easy to take back"?In post 65, MarioManiac4 wrote:I meant more along the lines of it's not unlikely? It was bad wording. But the point of the post stands; anything done now is so easily taken back I see no reason scum would ever avoid any of that, and I don't see why you think otherwise.
that's not really what you said though; you said that scumbuddies didn't think far ahead enough to bus. this is quite evidently not true; bussing is incredibly widespread on this site.In post 68, GuiltyLion wrote:also like, saying cd/cfj probably aren't buddies is perhaps the safest, most generic and easy read one could give so far this game. I didn't really expect that much attention to be paid to my throwaway comment and Mario picking at it doesn't sit right
i'm going to try more to find town instead of scum now i think.-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
UNVOTE:In post 92, callforjudgement wrote:
So in other words, you basically have no reads, and don't want to have try to fabricate reads to make it seem like you're participating?In post 90, A Simple Plan wrote:The fact that you're pushing me for making a post that needed to be made, and not spewing bullshit that I would've had to fake to make seem realistic is some crap? Like, here are my thoughts on the full game so far:
…
Even my serious post sounds fake-- to me, the player who wrote it-- so why would I bother forcing something that I actually don't believe?
The latter half of this (not wanting to fabricate information) makes sense as town, but the former half (not having reads) doesn't so much. It's hard to have a strong read this early, but things have certainly happened that can be reacted to. (It wasn't just me; plenty of people read you as scum for your post.) Besides, even if you don't have enough information to read someone, you can ask them questions in order to gain more information, rather than just waiting and hoping it'll appear from somewhere.
There are several possible town reactions to a low-information game, and different people react in different ways. Not having reads and not attempting to gain them, though, is one of the least town reactions a player can have in the situation (likely only behind producing reads that are obviously fabricated).-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
Because I was only skimming isos to remember content i had already read.In post 87, cd wrote:In post 78, MarioManiac4 wrote:i'm going to try more to find town instead of scum now i think.Why is there only a 1-minute-gap between those 2?
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
In post 97, Carcalilly wrote:can we just quicklynch thebrie theyre so obvtown-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
okay, but that doesn't reconcile withIn post 104, Carcalilly wrote:out of everyone she seems the least scummy
Or the least faked I'm so tryhard town
really.In post 97, Carcalilly wrote:can we just quicklynch thebrie theyre so obvtown
VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
i don't feel like scum would be this ignorant of game mechanics for so long
i could also vote cd-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
i don't really feel the need to; i've determined that i'm not going to vote you.In post 114, GuiltyLion wrote:Mario are we done talking about the cd/cfj thing or what? Are you going to respond to my 81?-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
@cfj; I answered GL's questions for a while but it's not getting anywhere productive. Neither of us are going to vote each other, so there's no real point in continuing. I unvoted in 94 because after the post I quoted I wasn't comfortable voting you, because I just didn't really like it in ways I can't really articulate. ASP was an easy target there and even after he gave his notes on the situation you continued to attack him with the same justification and the post is just meh in general.
I kinda wanna
VOTE: Carcalilly-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
in lylo we have confirmed town because in order to get there we have to lynch town
brie's comment on me "agreeing with the prevailing thought" makes no sense and i don't want to lynch her ever
i have played with gl recently in newbie 1787 and 1791; i was scum in both games and he was town in both games. he was relatively unlike here in both.
gl tried to subtly turn me from carca to dunkerdoodles which makes me want to lynch carca somewhat (d3 or later probably) and i think leaving {thebrie, dunkerdoodles} alive until the end of the game will probably secure a town victory.-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
gl was pushing on asp when there wasn't much reason he needed to.
does anyone actually want to leave asp to the end to any extent because i'm pretty sure the answer is no
and i certainly don't want to lynch any active players because that would make the game drown in inactivity
let's lynch him now and see where this goes-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
In post 183, GuiltyLion wrote:
actually kinda like this vote after the serra back and forthIn post 157, MarioManiac4 wrote:@cfj; I answered GL's questions for a while but it's not getting anywhere productive. Neither of us are going to vote each other, so there's no real point in continuing. I unvoted in 94 because after the post I quoted I wasn't comfortable voting you, because I just didn't really like it in ways I can't really articulate. ASP was an easy target there and even after he gave his notes on the situation you continued to attack him with the same justification and the post is just meh in general.
I kinda wanna
VOTE: Carcalilly
Mario who are you scumreading (besides me, assuming that's what you mean by "i'm not voting you")
I think Carcalilly is town and leaving Dunkers and Brie alive will win the game for town.In post 184, GuiltyLion wrote:actually wait a second, weren't you voting dunker before? did your read on him change?
I was voting dunkerdoodles and not cfj earlier, hence the VC confusion. my vote still isn't on dunker for some reason so I'm gonna
VOTE: dunkerdoodles
again
still think he's town-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
i have completely sorted the game; i am not realistically going to support leaving someone who is not dunkerdoodles or thebrie alive in the stead of dunkerdoodles or thebrie
i would lynch anyone outside those two i just want to kill people pls
VOTE: Carcalilly
see now you getoptions
(also carca please read the setup)-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
I think NM is town, still. Nobody seems to agree on this but I still kinda think the interactions with GL were towny.
Like, ASP hasn't done much of anything, sure. I don't think that's actually scum-indicative at all, though. I've played with ASP before, and I can testify that he is always like this. I once hydraed with him for two large theme games- he had around six posts overall between them.
90 rings genuine to me, too. Like when I have a townread it's not usually got through looking at a post and thinking "Oh yeah scum wouldn't write this post for X logical reasons." but more like "This post seems like something someone would actually write and it doesn't look like an act really." This post is like that. The best I can do is say that it's got a towny sort of frustration to it? Like it's really, really indignant and it shows that he is legitimately reading the thread but doesn't see anything in it. In a lot of ways though his lurky behaviour made him an easy target and I see GL's push as "oh hey this is a relatively scummy and uncontroversial scumread let's use it" more than "I am going to put my buddy here for reasons yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!"
Maybe NM is actually just scum. I don't know. But this behaviour isn't unusual for him, either.
I said I was getting a fake vibe from serra's posts and that was true. There's not really anything I can point to in his posts and say "scum wouldn't write this" but I also don't see any red signals, more just uncontroversial posting that looked like it was trying to be average on my first read but I'm not really thinking that anymore. 150, 153 and 156 I kinda like. Another reason I want to lynch serra now is his resistance to the GL lynch? Like he never pushed forward a GL lynch but didn't generate any towncred there either which I think makes him more likely town. (Although honestly I didn't really remember most of this reasoning why I think serra is town now when I was voting- mostly it was kinda the first point and the fact that his recent posting just felt kinda town to me.
Brie is kinda a weird read. She was consistently pro-GL all game, and I still don't really like her saying that I'm "agreeing with the prevailing thought" as a case on me. Like Cheeky says that there's plenty of reason to believe that I'm going on with the prevailing thought, but like I don't see any evidence for that? My read on ASP wasn't popular, nor was my read on GL. The only "thought" that had been given on that day was that of one player- hardly any sort of prevailing thought. I'm starting to doubt if Brie would actually not care about her partner's situation to the extent that she forgot about someone scumreading him, though. Cheeky's analysis feels kinda genuine. Like, does scum go through my ISO and say "she is scummy here, and towny there, I think she is town, let's lynch her"? I mean I'd expect some sort of backup for scum's opinions (i mean unless you're dunkerdoodles i guess lol) but just not that amount of effort that goes into something not real. I might lynch that slot, but I'm not sure who the alternative would be; as I think I have commented, I really just think Dunkerdoodles is mafia.
OH YEAH ABOUT THAT DUNKERDOODLES GUY. Most of his early content was misunderstanding game mechanics. He kept pushing for GL's lynch. And then after GL's flip he said he's "kinda not surprised" which makes like no sense at all considering he had nothing but positive things to say about GL while he was alive. He kept half-heartedly pushed for his own lynch for weird reasons too ("i think my flip would really help to sort the game so please lynch me even though i am being heavily scumread") and then actually tries to towncase himself based on being gl's #1 townread d1 (This play also feels relatively similar to Snarkysnowman's play after lynching his partner in the last game, under a similar scenario.)
And also I think cfj is really town and I'll try to explain why. His interactions with cd made me vote him at gamestart I believe and I still feel very good about those. 38 already reads as really genuine. I think it's normal to get angry at someone scumreading you, if not ideal, and cfj's posting here feels like righteous anger. It also doesn't fit in with the calm logic cfj seems to normally present, making it unlikely to be manufactured- cfj doesn't really strike me as the kind of person to do this. Before I found cfj's push on ASP scummy but now I think it's towny; he's critically analyzing ASP's posting here. I also just generally like the way he's poking at things? The conclusion he came to was incorrect but I do kinda think he got there in a towny way.
I'm sorry if what I said was hard to read. Really what I thought was not getting much resistance and the idea behind 348 wasn't "my reads are great you guys you should sheep them"- it was "hey i think we have reached a consesus here guys have i missed anyone disagreeing with this opinion" and that's kinda just what's been happening; I'm not trying to make cases because I'm not really trying to convince anybody.. Generally I justify my scumreads and use gut for my townreads so it's a lot harder when the spotlight is thrown on my townreads. But yeah, hopefully I can explain my reads in more detail from now on.
My reads are like this I think;
MarioManiac4, callforjudgement
serrapaladin, Not_Mafia, CheekyTeeky
Dunkerdoodles
I approve of the lynch on me, and then a lynch on cfj. I'm not sure who the one left to the end with Dunker (does anyone townread Dunker? I don't think anyone townreads Dunker) should be and I think you guys maybe should figure that out but I do think it should be in the lime section of my list.
wow i just looked at this in preview and i thought it would be really long because it took me a long time to make but it's actually fairly short rip-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9179
- Joined: May 1, 2015
-
-
MarioManiac4 Jack of All Trades
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.