Micro 740: Setup the Best Setup (Game Over)

[jjh927]

Indeed I do

[jjh927]

VOTE: Pisskop

The scumteam is Pisskop and Not_Mafia. This was an easy game

[jjh927]

@mod Can we have the 4 minutes I spent catching up back on the deadline please?

[jjh927]

That's L-1?

[jjh927]

If this doesn't go unspoken, everyone should take a firm anti-lolhammer stance this game

[jjh927]

Why would you lolhammer anyone? You're bored of the game and disappointed that you've already lost so you might as well end the day

[jjh927]

Well, we'll cripple you for real next

[jjh927]

We've played together once in large normal 204.

Dunno what you mean by lessoning but I correctly scumread you and got killed the night after I replaced in so

[jjh927]

What's your angle with trying to meta me when you've only played day 2 of a single game with me?

[jjh927]

It's not a pairing-based thing because that is unreliable in this setup, though immediately questioning both names as a whole rather than just yours is pretty funky

[jjh927]

Oh yeah I'm being aggressive, assertive and dominant but that is not an issue

[jjh927]

I could actually lynch Eddie now

[jjh927]

Oh, my bad, replace "could" with "might actually want to"

[jjh927]

and cut out the second actually

[jjh927]

Because that was educated bullshit I made up to generate content

[jjh927]

Intent to hammer Eddie

[jjh927]

Eddie, why didn't you claim after the intent?

I guess I can vote you now without waiting for that because now it won't be hammer.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

Take a few looks at Eddie's iso and the history of his votes. Him and NM trying to wagon me after I intent to hammer with almost no words said is especially shifty considering the two were voting each other until then.

I am actually quite confident this is scum!Eddie

[jjh927]

The fuck is this self meta

[jjh927]

I feel like the difference between your towngame and your scumgame is that you seem a lot more competent as town

[jjh927]

But more importantly here your votes have been utterly contradictory and I can't understand your perspective on most of them.

[jjh927]

Your day 1 play in that game caused you to get run up as the first serious wagon and people only seriously backed up when Giga bailed you out

[jjh927]

I swear it was you who got run up and Giga who bailed you out?

UNVOTE: Hi NM

[jjh927]

Oh and Eddie, I'm not a hesitant player at all so rethink that one

[jjh927]

Of the two games we've both played in, one was my first game on site and the other I had a stupidly overpowered role. I generally play more aggressively than I did in either of those games.

Was it you who did the analysis of your wagon in spring fever? Because I thought that was pretty bad but if it wasn't you who got the slot rung up then I can't blame you for it. I wouldn't say you hard carried my ass, all things considered, but you did play a strong towngame in TB's micro and I'm not seeing that here

[jjh927]

i analyzed the wagon, giga caused it, yea. it was pretty bad. it worked in the end tho, we really lost bussing shiqf unnecessarily. we were also in an open I just remembered on my alt (mcm - subbed out because math and Titus were annoying me past the point of fun and frankly I knew that town was never going to see why sparkles and math were obv scum because Titus was so hard pocketed) and you were passive there too, intentionally getting nkd (:p).

but do you actually remember tbs micro well? because I did play a strong town game, my argument for carrying your ass was hard defending your lynch and deathtunnelling 2 ppl aka the 2 scum and causing both lynches making roles unnecessary. that's irrelevant for this game tho. what I want to point out is my early game. i shitpost and vote hop as town all the time. i try very hard to play full shitposty games like transcend but this always happens - I get annoyed at something and start tryharding and don't stop because I hate getting mislynched. my early game is almost always being useless, and either when I get run up or when I see a good scumread I tryhard. the thing is, this game is dead as fuck so I can't shitpost while reading other interactions and preparing a popin. i despise dead games and that's partially why I like real time mafia. that's also why my legacy was so small - I didn't care here. now I do after these horrible self meta posts

did you legitimately believe you caught scum in me or did you just want a flip and hopefully higher activity tomorrow? cause that's a huge distinction.

Oh, is that alt public now? I was fairly confident that was you. The game you just remembered wasn't even remotely passive for me and if it was then I wouldn't have got nightkilled.

I remember it reasonably well? But I think our difference in perspectives is definitely a thing.

I thought you were the most likely scum. but I also want a flip.

[jjh927]

I feel like Flubber is just a scummy player in general and I can't really tell you whether or not he's scum here. I TR Eddie now and think scum are probably in Flub, Pisskop and Backhand.

[jjh927]

I take it you're not a bussing buzzy busy bee then




Hey Flub, we can talk meta in more exact terms now rather than alluding to having some knowledge of each other's play

[jjh927]

I kinda want to talk with Flubber before day end but if he doesn't show up I'm willing to hammer NM on deadline

[jjh927]

Mainly about

156 might be making an interesting point. I don't expect jjh to hammer under 10 pages

when his one experience of me is a game in which I pushed a ton of lynches

[jjh927]

I don't want an EC lynch, and also literally every wagon in that game while I was alive had me at the start of it

[jjh927]

No, I'm saying your pretend meta doesn't get to hold up now that I can question you about it

[jjh927]

Dual iso Flub and Pisskop and tell me if you see what I do

[jjh927]

Pretty much, yeah. I don't like that NM is basically no help here but I think a lynch on either piss or flubber is better

[jjh927]

There's 7 hours. Intent to hammer NM.

NM please claim asap

[jjh927]

VOTE: Not Mafia

8 minutes to deadline

[jjh927]

This was actually a total coincidence and I forgot about this and didn't set an alarm so almost whoops

[jjh927]

I thought their disagreements looked super fake and then Flub started sheeping Piss

[jjh927]

Flub is town though based on those last interactions between us. Would be awesome if the scumteam was NM and Pisskop and if that's the case then my second post was founded on logic and scumhunting and wasn't content-creating bullshit at all

[jjh927]

Yes but it would be way cooler if I called the scumteam in my second post

[jjh927]

I'll take 2 scum in piss and backhand here tbh.

[jjh927]

If Flub hasn't crumbed in any way, it might be sensible for the mason to claim now. Basically, if they don't think they can treat themself as an IC wrt hidden but explicit crumbing, then there's little point in hiding it because they're basically a named VT and people counterclaiming would make for an easier game.

[jjh927]

I was extremely subtle thank you very much.

Do you recall the code I used in spring fever to communicate with Alisae?

[jjh927]

Basically, I simplified that to make it less like a serial killer plucking words out of newspapers.

The first word was the first word of the post the message started. The second word was the second word of the post after that. The third word was the third word of the next post. And so on. It did spell it out in no uncertain terms, but it did it in a way that was both hidden and completely believable from me. If scum tried to claim mason against that they'd be unknowingly counterclaiming innocent child.

[jjh927]

That happened the other way around.

Also I'm never voting Eddie.

[jjh927]

Why do you TR Pisskop?

[jjh927]

I feel like Backhand is trying to skirt (skirt) around pisskop here. I think he's done that this whole game. Piss is the player he has the fewest interactions with, and the times he mentions him he takes an extremely neutral stance. Basically they're scumbuddies.

[jjh927]

You given up on trying to buddy me then?

[jjh927]

I don't believe Pisskop has been prodded yet.

Also, he was posting elsewhere before that replacement.

I detect a tactical replacement, specifically of the caught scum who doesn't want to play any more variety. I'm up for waiting for the replacement to come in and forcing a claim though.

[jjh927]

I'll take 2 scum in piss and backhand here tbh.

When I said this it was because Eddie is locktown and I thought LUV was the mason.

Now, Eddie is still locktown and LUV is confirmed to be the mason.

I think I'm ready to vote but I'll still decide on which one of Backhand and SS is scummier just in case. You want to try engaging with me?

[jjh927]

That whole thing after I intented to hammer was when it started. I can see a whole lot of town perspective in there.

[jjh927]

I thought you wanted to engage with me? Where's the push?

[jjh927]

I was under the impression you scumread me and that you were going to bring stuff up that made you scumread me and see how I responded

[jjh927]

Yeah, it gets the point off, but I don't really have much interest in you sorting me because I'm confident you're scum based on your angle. I don't see why you'd be looking at people in terms of saying everyone is scummy and finding the two most likely, rather than just figuring out who is town. POE here is way easier.

[jjh927]

It helps to be sure. People usually do bring this up in these discussions but yes, I use them to continue placing people. Reads evolve.

You're delaying taking a hard stance, and this is lylo and town need to take a hard stance.

[jjh927]

I assumed that was a joke.

If you're capable of obvtowning when you tryhard to obvtown then it's not actually obvtowning because by definition it's within your scum range

[jjh927]

Also you basically said "Back off of me or I'll scumread you" and sticking to that is bullshit

[jjh927]

Yeah, I don't know you, and I tend not to believe people when they cite how good or bad their scumgame is as a reason for not being scum

[jjh927]

Also interesting that you say he's trying to mislynch you in particular when both he and I were pushing your predecessor. You're trying to convince me that he's scum and you're town. You don't scumread me at all.

[jjh927]

It's bits of the way you're going about things, like not mentioning how I was pushing your predecessor much more than Eddie, that really shows it. You don't actually consider me scum, but you want other people to think you do, which is down to your scum perspective.

I won't pay any attention to your self meta but I've skimmed a little and I don't see anything special about your posting in general

[jjh927]

Um, you might want to check up my iso at all the points where I've scumread pisskop, which is basically the whole game

[jjh927]

Nope. I just also want to lynch Backhand. I'm still deciding which of you I'd rather lynch first.

[jjh927]

VOTE: Something_Smart

I am ready for this

[jjh927]

How does you ATEing here line up with you thinking me and Eddie are the most likely scum?

[jjh927]

Someone who is town in your position would be like "Oi Backhand, don't hammer me and if you don't hammer me then my wagon must be entirely scum" except since you and Backhand are the scumteam that doesn't really fly since it would ruin your whole day 3 3-way lylo by setting up a 2V2 in day 2.

And also you'd do that as scum if Backhand was town so yeah, there's your 2V2 anyway

[jjh927]

because Backhand will never not vote me.

there's no way I'm buying that both Eddie and jj are scum.

In this particular lylo with the unchallenged mason claim, that's the same as saying he scumreads you. That hasn't stopped you from engaging with either me or Eddie.

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While we wait, Backhand, do you want to talk to me about Eddie and SS?

I don't see why a scum!Eddie who has me pocketed would bus his partner in lylo rather than a town that I would also have voted (that's you in this scenario), and since you're not hammering instantly that means you-Eddie is an impossible scumteam. If Eddie-you is impossible, and Eddie-SS would be lynching you, how are you not scum with SS?

[jjh927]

My point was more about how Eddie could have just voted you first so yeah

[jjh927]

VOTE: Backhand



Quickvoting in lylo because there's no way I'm getting swayed on this

[jjh927]

Oh fuck was I wrong

[jjh927]

Really good job tbh. You had me completely fooled.

Why didn't you lynch backhand yesterday?

[jjh927]

Well, I guess I fucked up in a dumb way. I feel worse for it being a quickvote but then I really don't think time would have changed my mind. Backhand did basically nothing wrt the pisskop slot except the hammer. 427 looked to me like total shite, because of the angles being taken- specific things that he thinks make him look townier (including a terrible although identified wifom point). Also he was only just starting to think. Might not have quickvoted if I didn't think that post was so bad, but I still almost certainly would have voted Backhand anyway. Eddie had a much bigger presence and actually did things and that really took me in, and I haven't been fooled like that before with someone I've exerted full effort in placing.

Fool me once, shame on you. But teach a man to fool me and I will be fooled for the rest of my life.

[jjh927]

Thanks for modding.

Scum!Eddie means things took a huge turn on him convincing me not to hammer and then the NM lynch going through instead. Heck, if that wagon hadn't happened at all then I might have been the NK rather than Flubber because Eddie wouldn't have had the incentive to keep me alive and then there'd have been 2 masons in lylo