Micro 744: ??? [Endgame]

[Lucky2u]

I have no idea what I got myself into...

[Lucky2u]

I was always great at tests in school but I never studied. I was just good at standardized testing. Didn't learn a god damn thing about the subject but I knew how to ace the test for it.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: agent dale coop

never trust the clouds

[Lucky2u]

Indeed it was

[Lucky2u]

Can you explain the connection there between Agent Coop and Brian the Cloud Man?

None what so ever. That was an rvs vote on line one and a statement of general warning to never trust the clouds.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: prohawk

[Lucky2u]

I think people are over analyzing my first post. I guess I can see how this could be a mistake.

UNVOTE:

[Lucky2u]

Vote: Luca

There's just something about you so far that feels a little off, but I can't quite put a finger on it.

@theelkspeaks - do you have any comments/opinion on ProHawk? (who is currently L-1)

It seems like you've skipped 3 pages to talk about Luca (who's only made 1 non-RVS post so far?)

I don't have much of a read either way on ProHawk and I don't take his wagon that seriously. Even if he's at L-1, only scum would hammer this early with so little information, and I expect it to go back down from there because there's not a reason to lynch him yet.

Even Luca's RVS just seemed a bit off, it's not just the one post since then.

I'm getting a bit of a townread on Brian, and those are my only two real reads so far, I need some more time and posts to sink my teeth into the rest of this game.

Can you please elaborate on the Luca feeling off? Are you comparing past meta or does something in his posts seem scummy, fake, or fishy?

[Lucky2u]

Tonight I promise to join the wall posting. (Currently at work) While unintentional, I am glad my unusual rvs post made such an impact. I should make that a signature move our something.

[Lucky2u]

So I guess I should start with my thoughts on Prohawk. I am aware I've flipped on this subject with my unvote so here was my thought process:

So when I voted Pro and had read the thread I noticed my original RVS post Here and Prohawk's questioning of it Here are seperated by several Prohawk posts, two of which vaguely acknowledge the existence of the post. So he read it, was ok with it, and came back to attack it later. He had just gotten two votes on him, so maybe that was motivation to deflect but it was still early and those votes were kind of weak nonsense still. His reactions since then are what read more town to me now and why I unvoted. He has all the aura of a frustrated townie. He has not tried to minimize what he did, he is owning it and still staying upfront and active. I don't know his playstyle but if I made that move and was scum, I'd be deflecting or lurking or trying to push another narrative to the front like that Luca vs ADC wall to wall posting.

I'll skip talking about who came out looking better between Luca and ADC in the last page because frankly it stinks of a TvT situation.

Let's get to where my scumdar is currently pointing. Right now it's Brian. Here and Here Brian is speaking to Anx about my RVS post. Pro's initial questioning of the post could be early game curiosity and is fine, but Brian saw my post in RVS as discrediting him? If we are talking about unnatural reactions to my RVS post, that's the one right there. His reads list later where by process of elimination the scum is in myself, Gameplay, and Elk is rather weak especially because he then goes on to describe how I could be town, maybe null, but could be scum so basically his read of me is that I am a player in this game.... and then he does the same wishy washy thing with Gameplay. He is only really committed to Elk who he votes for. Now get your tinfoil hats on for this one because I am going to now claim that the Elk vote may have been a bus. Elk really isn't under any threat at the moment and has barely posted so a vote here by Brian could just be for show. Elk himself has voted Luca for a funny feeling and trying to not be noticed? Ok... I didn't get that feeling at all when Elk posted that read. Now he says Agent Sparkles was scum for jumping off an L-1 wagon but cautious town do that all the time to avoid lol-hammers (I've lol-hammered a time or two in my past )

So my vote goes to

VOTE: Brian

The Prohawk wagon is so page 3 guys, come join the Brian wagon, we'll have cookies.

[Lucky2u]

I didn't attack you for it, I was just making a point how I can see someone (Prohawk) reading more into your post there (which I mostly took as a joke). If you weren't looking to discredit me (either because you were serious about it or just joking around), then what was the point of your statement? And you already admitted it was about me

Yes, clearly it was about you but your post reply where you joked back that "how could we not trust that face" does not line up with you later saying you thought I was discrediting you with my post. There was no point to my RVS statement whatsoever. It was a vague reference to family guy and how Peter doesn't trust clouds. I was not coming into the game with a Brian skies prejudice. It did however allow me to form this read on you.

Oh for fucks sake... Haven't done that in forever

[Lucky2u]

This is a stylistic issue and you're not the first person to complain about this.

Twin Trap
My Reads
Patrick complaining about my reads

Survivor Mafia
My Reads
I'm not looking to see if someone complained about my reads.

I can probably give you more examples, but it should be apparent that whatever your read on me is predicated on is not scum-indicative of me.

Also, why does it matter if I vote for the only person I'm committed to? Where else should I vote?

Ok so there is precedent for that style of reads.

I wasn't saying there is a problem with you voting for the only person your committed to, there is a problem imo when you have only committed to a scum read on one player after giving so much analysis as it's non-committal.

[Lucky2u]

If you think I'm bussing Elk (which pretty much requires Elk to be scum to begin with) and you think Elk is scummy irregardless of my play, then why not just join me in voting him?

The thought occured to me, but I still want more from elk. Too little to know if my read is accurate there.

[Lucky2u]

okay read this page as well. I like Brian I still hate luca.
I want luca and pro dead
I like cooper, 4n, elk and brian.
Sparkles and lucky are meh and definately not as bad as the first two

Please tell me more about elk reading anything townier than null to you. I am very intrigued.

[Lucky2u]

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Since I missed it, Happy B-Day mod! Now that I've sucked up to you, do I get special role abilities?

[Lucky2u]

He looks genuine. I don't see what's scummy about him. Why is he scummy?

He has very little content to go off of. I just don't understand how we are looking at the same 5 posts and coming up so totally different. He doesn't seem genuine to me at all. He is also fence sitting with his "something feels off" approach to reading people.

[Lucky2u]

but your post reply where you joked back that "how could we not trust that face" does not line up with you later saying you thought I was discrediting you with my post.

Why doesn't it line up? Do you actually think that I couldn't possibly have wondered if you were discrediting me and responded to you with a joke anyway, or are you just reiterating what Luca said because it sounds nice?

Also, I don't watch Family Guy, so I didn't know the reference.

there is a problem imo when you have only committed to a scum read on one player after giving so much analysis as it's non-committal.

Do you actually think that I have to be committed to more than one scumread in order to be town? On page 7 when some people haven't posted enough to confidently move one way or another? Why does it matter how much analysis I had? Other than Elk and Gameplay, it's not like I went into a lot of depth about anyone, so where is this huge analysis-committal gap you're talking about? Even if I did have more analysis, do you just think it's impossible for a player to be uncomfortable about most of their reads, at any point in the game?

I don't think you would have responded with a joke if you had genuine doubts about me discrediting you like that. I think you should have and would have brought it up right away. I think it more likely that you made it up later.

Your second point is fair, so fine you don't have to be committed to anyone else if you don't want to. I'm ok with you voting my number 2 scum read anyway.

[Lucky2u]

Increasingly ok with elk Lynch

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: elk

Shhh, no one tell Brian I did this.

[Lucky2u]

Question to all. If elk slot gets replaced, do we still lynch it?

[Lucky2u]

Elk at this point it really feels like you're stalling in the hopes we get bored and lynch Prohawk instead.

[Lucky2u]

of course I am... we'd lynch gameplay as back up probably

[Lucky2u]

do eet! let's move on! nothing more can be gained from this day!

[Lucky2u]

theelkspeaks - 4 ( Brian Skiies, Luca Blight, Lucky2u, Yume ) L- 1

And jesus just look at the shady people following your lead brian please.
Luca who is fake and forced af
Lucky who is probably the player with the worst iso
Yume who is???/Sparkles who was even more?????
You really feel like this is genuine wagon?

So you think there are 4 scum? You're talking to Brian like he is town and throwing shade at the rest of the wagon. At worst there are 3 town who want to Lynch that slot.

[Lucky2u]

Glad you two can agree on my scuminess. You mind if we finish lynching what's on our plate and then you two can have fun co wagoning me tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

(minus Lucky)

Don't assume my vote!

Seriously though. Can we do a hypothetical who would vote for gameplay because this elk defense no longer seems like paranoid town and his interactions with Luca are not striking me as TvT and I'm good with a Luca town read for now

[Lucky2u]

So I'm with Luca on gameplay's flopped read, which doesn't surprise me. It probably means that elk likely isn't scum in that case... But no one is interested in lynching gameplay?

VOTE: gameplay

[Lucky2u]

@mod

a vote count por favor

[Lucky2u]

ADC, how is a no lynch a good idea right now? Unless we have some good investigation roles, we'll learn next to nothing.

[Lucky2u]

Confirming

[Lucky2u]

The rainbow text makes my eyes bleed....

...I mean good morning all!

[Lucky2u]

I'm just poking fun mod, you do what makes you happy. I'll just wipe the blood tears away with a tissue.

[Lucky2u]

Hmm. Scum Brian sees his partner is unlikely to last the day. He immediately votes him in an attempt to be seen leading the wagon. He will use the town cred to get me tomorrow, rather easily since I am lynch fodder at this point. He will go to LyLo with a player of his choosing that has trusted him this game and say that his misread of me was because I play badly (I don't contest that, I am maybe a C- to a D+ rank mafia player at best). Clear path to victory as long as he can avoid any power role mishaps. He doesn't have to worry about an investigative since that died last night and he doesn't have to worry about a protective since we lynched what is likely the only way we had to stop a kill. Of course this all relies on the fact that Elk is scum. If Elk is not scum then his path is even easier, lynch the person who everyone wants to lynch and then lynch me tomorrow saying that he has been saying since day 1 it was me. Outside chance of it being a Pro/Brian scum team from the start. Eh... I don't see this going down well for town either way.

VOTE: Elk

The least I can do is speed things along. If Elk is town, we already lost. If Elk is scum I'll get lynched tomorrow anyway because the hammer will be deemed scummy and we can get to that 3p LyLo between Brian Yume and whoever Brian wants to be his victim. Probably Pro.

P.S. the good thing about being away from site this long is people forget that you are prone to LOLHammers. Good night everybody!

[Lucky2u]

Whelp... This looks bad

[Lucky2u]

I meant what I said when I said it. I honestly thought Brian was scum and so was elk. I was angry that day 1 happened almost the way I said it was going to happen.

Elk at this point it really feels like you're stalling in the hopes we get bored and lynch Prohawk instead.

We got bored and lynched gameplay instead, when it should have been elk day 1. Town A.D.D.

Turns out I was wrong on them both. Brian's night kill baffles me somewhat. He clearly wanted me dead, so why kill him? Frame me? Thats such a basic strategy. Scum me wouldn't have killed him in this scenario. I would need him alive so my partner can bus me and win the lylo tomorrow after killing him night 4. Of course killing him and framing myself still works I guess. Win win? If I've been wrong on all hypothesis and the opposite has been true so far, my next hypothesis should be the opposite. My reads in order from town to scum were {ADC Luca yume prohawk}. So I should flip that and start looking at how ADC and Luca can make sense as scum.

[Lucky2u]

Okay, but you failed to mention any. What conclusion did you draw upon evaluating your reads?

Right now I'm having an inner struggle: evaluating how/if bad play is alignment indicative.

We never got to hear ProHawk's stance on the Elk lynch too on D2, that could have been vital information. The quick/lolhammer deprived us of that information. Brian Skies powered two back to back lynches on town, so I was expecting to see him alive today. Now I need Yume/Lucky to find scum in ProHawk/Luca... because my end of D2 sentiments were: bludgeon Yume/Lucky to death, whether through retribution or for justice for their anti-town actions. BUT I need to put those ill-feelings to a side for today, and revisit the players who I was calling 'town' too (I was expecting to be NK'd N2, '

why was Brian the optimum NK for scum?

').

Scum-ProHawk/Luca are very safe right now.

You have been unable to talk to me about your reads, neither tried to help me understand how you got to those reads. I excused your behaviour D1, but

this failing on your part on D2 has put your slot in a very precarious position now

. I basically won't put in any effort to try to sort you now. I think the best thing for you to try and help me, is for you to try to find scum, and tell me why in clear language.

Lol, okay, that sucks this is probably scum actually.

You never called me town. Scum is setting me up for lynch. That's why they killed the players they did.

Either you're suggesting they would rather try to Lynch you today over the obvious me, or you are saying that I'm confirmed scum and my partner wants you for tomorrow. Either way, tone reads town. Your probably scum then.

[Lucky2u]

Nah, lay off there pls. He is not scum. Occam's razor dictates that Luca and Lucky are scum.

Because of alliteration?

No seriously, why Luca over pro?

[Lucky2u]

Intent to vote yume

[Lucky2u]

If Lucky was online we would be talking about his anti-town/scummy behaviour from D2 in detail.

At work, mobile posting at this pace not plausible. How are you tonight around 9 eastern?

[Lucky2u]

Since it's the most obvious place to start, let's begin with a Yume post.

Spoiler: Yume's Razor

For Lucky, well, the player who suspected him just died. That's why

Occam's razor

he is scum. He removed the person suspecting him. I mean, sure, you can go on and on about why that's not the case, but

Occam's razor

says so and disregarding it is a bad idea.

As for Luca, his posts kinda seem fake to me.

None of that please. You both sound like partners engaged in bad theatre.

Okay, so explain to me why it isn't true that Lucky simply killed a player suspecting him? Is it so implausible to you? I am willing to engage with you here, as per your request, so talk to me about this.

p-edit: No, it's because

Occam's razor

said so. Why is so difficult for you to accept

Occam's razor?

FYI, violating Occam's razor led to town loss before, and you are about to let that happen again. Please stop.

And, admittedly, there are no other reasons, but saying that

Occam's razor

is irrelevant is also naive.

You are the one who discarded the

Occam's razor

simply because you want to give him a free pass.....:/

p-edit: Oh, yeah? I don't recall you saying 'don't do it' when he declared an INTENT TO VOTE ME. :/

You keep using that phrase but I don't think you truly know what it means... but without getting into that debate, let's talk about why you're wrong using it the way you are.

Yume's Razor. All things considered, accept the simplest solution and disregard all other possibilities even if they are just as likely.

You seem to think that you arguing a point that goes along the lines of "If you hear hooves, think horse not Zebra" but what you are actually arguing is "If you hear hooves, think brown horse named Lucky, not Black horse named Yume.". I mean you've been on this site long enough according to the date below your avatar. There is no way that you are this stubbornly denying the possibility that scum night killed Brian to get town to lynch me. This is Mafia. The simplest solution is rarely the correct solution because you aren't trying to determine if it was the dog or bigfoot that ate your dinner, you're trying to determine which one of multiple human beings each with their own cunning and intelligence is manipulating you to think what they want you to think. If you always accept what is simple, you will end game alot as mafia string you along to do their bidding. There is no way you are ignoring the one major tool that mafia has at their disposal... Deception.

Your words have no vale to me. You are cornered scum, voting whomever and whatever hoping that it would go away.

If I'm cornered scum, why are you the one that is panicked and...

Oh, and also, you yourself have pointed out that my case is weak. So, if he was truly innocent, he should be able to dismantle my case easily without resorting to 'intent to vote me'. So why didn't he make a nice long paragraph pointing out exactly why my read on him is wrong. And by that, I don't mean the weak reasoning he used already.

The fact he hasn't dismantled my case with solid reasoning is that 'something else' you've been looking for.

... trying to get ADC to agree with you so quickly? Are you that desperate to setup you and your scum partner to quick hammer?

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Then there are all these scummy statments:

I wish mastina was here, she'd hit you for overthinking things like this. Since she's not, I have to hit you in her place.

This awkward appeal to ADC to think about what another uninvolved party might think about them

If you knew what I know, you'd be saying differently right about now.

allusion to a PR that frankly if they really were one, should have claimed by now so this statement is vaguely ego threatening.

If Lucky were to vote me, like he said he would, I doubt you'd tell him to unvote.

a "Do it, I dare you to do it, but you won't" statement.

What will it take for you to scumread Lucky?

And my read on you changed a long time ago, but the moment I mention this, you'd no doubt come running at me with torches and pitchforks, saying I am crazy for scumreading you and should be ashamed, or that my 'read on you is stupid' because I am 'stupid', or that 'I should join the scumteam, because I'm skilled in the job of helping them'. :/

combination of a threat that Yume will lower his read of ADC and also preemptively defending himself against an attack that hasn't happened yet

Fnny, cos you were not grilling him even when he was online earlier. Even when he was on, you were focusing on me instead. Nice try.

Combination of another "I dare you, you won't" statement and an attempt to deflect. Brian had clearly stated by this point that he was talking to you because you were there.

Are you questioning the tools many players on this site use? O.O

If you are that uncomfortable with them, I suggest you find another place where they aren't used at all, cos you are bound to run across several more players who use them. Of course, they are used in conjunction with other methods, but this doesn't mean they aren't used at all.

How dare ADC go against the norms! How dare he break meta! Shun him, ostracize him! ...unless he votes your way, then he is ok and accepted.

And you prove you don't know my playstyle at all. Senseless posting is my town norm. Just ask the mod after the game, he'll tell you this is true.

p-edit: Tell that to many players who do use PoE in LYLO. I suggest you read Spring Fever, where PoE was used in LYLO......

An appeal to meta that can't be confirmed until game over and "It was true there (in a situation that is not relevant to this one) so it must be true here (with different players facing a different type of LYLO)".

You are giving me a headache with your misinformed comments. So I suggest you get to know this place a little better before you go firing at all cylinders at people who try to explain to you how this site and its culture works.

complete dismissal of ADC trying to think or questions things by using potential shame he might endure for not falling in line with site meta. I never fall in line with site meta, come at me bro!

VOTE: Yume

Before you say it, nope I don't care if ADC doesn't like it if I throw a vote out there.

[Lucky2u]

Well that took a whole lot more effort than I was hoping for. I guess that's what you get for trying to dig your way out of a hole with a lolhammer.

[Lucky2u]

.... I guess we have our 1v1 for the day.

Don't count yourself out yet pro!

Crying? Nahh, Its prob game over if we lynch town, and yes the kills have directly been setup to lynch me today so scum will lean that direction. At least one of the partners will and the other will hammer it home. You can't tell me that you are town because you have been kicking against my lynch while semi-supporting it, especially now. I get, that you can't see it that way, but I can.

I still need to do a reset and re-read because scum-kills have been off the wall for me, which is why they are pointing to a Hawk lynch D3.

Lucky is either really dumb town or scum, and its probably the latter. I don't like the defeatist post to excuse his LOL-Hammer. He also set his team up nicely today by doing so.

Not after unnatural posts like this! I can't tell if your concern at your own lynch is dumb town or fake scum...

[Lucky2u]

So explain why they're just as likely. You are arguing that the simplest solution isn't applicable here. Why isn't the simplest solution applicable here?

Did... Did you even read my post? Let me try again. We are playing a game where lying and deception are the key tactics by the bad guys. If player 1 is under pressure by player 2, and player 2 town reads player 3 who is actually scum, then who is the best person for player 3 to kill? Ding ding ding! Player 2! Player 3 then gets to claim it was player 1 who wanted to remove someone who opposed him and cry about being the victim by losing someone who supported him. You know... Kind of like you did...

Yeah, okay, I am a big bad scum who let the player townread me get killed and removed my only defense from the equation, knowing that you would be at my throats the very next day. Sure. Let your conspiracy theories carry you.

In this game where lying is expected... Another simple solution is that you're lying and you are scum. I don't believe a town player outside a newbie game would have that much trouble understanding this concept.

[Lucky2u]

You say he was grilling me because I was around, but you were clearly around yesterday. He says you were there briefly, but it was enough time that he could have asked you a single question. And if I recall, you seemed to agree to talk while I was asleep. Why, I am awake now, and I don't see a conversation between you at all like I would have if you had one while I was asleep. Talk to each other, right now.

You can't really be holding this up as one of your arguments. Ok well I'm awake right now! Answer to my posts.

[Lucky2u]

OMG yume is not answering me guys he must be scum! Look at how he is dodging me with only 14 days left in the deadline!

[Lucky2u]

You see what I did there right? This is a forum game. Not a Skype chat. Activity is not alignment indicative.

[Lucky2u]

Scum don't dictate when they get talked to.

I offered, ADC declined. I don't really care since he is a town read of mine. I'd rather talk with you anyway. since you deflecting me however, I can settle with just talking ABOUT you

[Lucky2u]

If Lucky was online we would be talking about his anti-town/scummy behaviour from D2 in detail.

At work, mobile posting at this pace not plausible. How are you tonight around 9 eastern?

I suggest you talk to Yume first and address her "scum case" on you.

This will help us sort both you and Yume.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Lucky2u]

And frankly, I still see it as you killed him. You have every reason to. You remove the player who scumread you and you get to use this argument. You say one of mafia primary tools is deception. So give me one reason why is it me deceiving you in a manner you described as opposed to you deceiving us in a manner I described?

p-edit: Show me where he declined?

Because frankly I see it as you killed him. You have every reason to. You remove the player that was scum reading me and you get to use this argument. The whole site says that one of mafia primary tools is deception. So give me one reason why is it not you receiving the town in the manner as I described?

[Lucky2u]

That's not refusing. That's postponing it. He still intends to talk to you later.

I'm sure he does. He didn't want to right then and there and your argument seems to be that if we don't answer right here right now, it's because... Scum? That's the disconnect.

[Lucky2u]

Your response to 620 is a snarky copy of my own point, for three.

Yea that was the point.

There are no facts in mafia. Even if the cop didn't die. Everyone alive can be scum. Even ADC.

[Lucky2u]

Even you?

Yup

[Lucky2u]

Going to work now. Try not to scum read me more before my first break

[Lucky2u]

Address my latest points when you return.

I'm not sure which points you mean before this. I only see one, the fact that ADC is not engaging me. Strange. But he also seems like the only person putting thought into the game as a whole and not just following Yume's razor like prohawk is.

[Lucky2u]

I see, so the fact that you will pressure Lucky if he votes was a lie......

I won't be telling players what the best pro-town action is anymore - I am being ignored on that front and will move on. I will be continuing my full re-read.

Neither you or Lucky have been quicklynched, so I am happy for you both to have a vote each.

Considering you flipped at me for voting him, this doersn't sit well with me. I was right. You are trying to absolve him of any guilt.

Laying heavily on the "if you aren't with me, you're against me"

sith

scum tactic.

[Lucky2u]

I'm not exonerating him at all, if I had to vote someone right now, it would be Lucky over you actually.

What I am trying to figure out is if you actually don't realize that your vote was reckless, or if it was planned, or if you realized it as town and just didn't give a shit?

Now this line of questioning... This, this is Tony award winning theater.

[Lucky2u]

Luca and ProHawk still haven't quickhammered Yume...



Please do now, before I read the next 10 pages.

Luca is on vacation, the only people clear right now is a prohawk ADC team, or you would have quick hammered yume while I was at work.

[Lucky2u]

Which makes me realize why yume is pushing ADC to believe her so hard (tin foil hat activate). A prohawk /yume team needs ADC to vote for meso they can finish this. They can't appeal to each other too much without risking looking like they are on a team, though pro is dropping the ball there. Possibly afraid of Luca returning and not agreeing with them so they want an end now.

[Lucky2u]

Whatever, since I am clearly not welcome here anymore, I might as well vote myself. :/

Prohawk, vote me and I'll hammer, how about that. Let's let the cutthroats be cutthroats and have their wild party.

That AtE though...

[Lucky2u]

Seriously though yume, you're scum and I'm town. We must oppose each other. I'm a good sport though, I'll shake your hand post game.

[Lucky2u]

Which makes me realize why yume is pushing ADC to believe her so hard (tin foil hat activate). A prohawk /yume team needs ADC to vote for meso they can finish this. They can't appeal to each other too much without risking looking like they are on a team, though pro is dropping the ball there. Possibly afraid of Luca returning and not agreeing with them so they want an end now.

Yeah, you solved the game, congratulations. Now party, party till dawn!

You heard her ADC, vote her and let's get a Heineken.

[Lucky2u]

How did you from POE that he is town, to now he is scum suspect number 2 behind me?

[Lucky2u]

Here is my paranoia with ADC's posts. He is walking us to a lucky lynch (pun intended) because Luca is his partner and he wants prohawk to join yume, so he can quick hammer to win the game. It's my only ADC as scum theory so I'm not acting on it much. Yume/ADC is just not real and he has already cleared himself from being with prohawk. Luca and ADC is the only team that makes sense if ADC is scum.

[Lucky2u]

How did you from POE that he is town, to now he is scum suspect number 2 behind me?

This was for yume btw

[Lucky2u]

You yourself admitted that Yume was town bro... nice try

Uhh... No? I think I've made it pretty clear yume is my scumspect right now

[Lucky2u]

...........?!?

What are you not getting here?

[Lucky2u]

How did you from POE that he is town, to now he is scum suspect number 2 behind me?

The contradiction, pal, the contradiction. He stated repeatedly that voting is bad and he'll grill whoever does it and other bad things, and suddenly, such scrutiny is only applicable to me and not to you at all. It's this that led me to believe that he is scum and is either whiteknighting you (if you're town), or is protecting you (if you are both scum).

From a town yume view the only that should make sense is if we are both scum. Why would he white knight me when he has you voting me if you are town and he is scum? Scum ADC would be encouraging your vote on me and should be encouraging prohawk too

[Lucky2u]

I'm willing to take a gamble here. They don't call me lucky for nothing. Prohawk, out your vote on me. ADC, clear yourself from being on Yume's team by not hammering me.

[Lucky2u]

Then pro, take your vote off just in case Luca is around and he turns out to be Yume's scum partner or yours.

[Lucky2u]

You yourself admitted that Yume was town bro... nice try

Uhh... No? I think I've made it pretty clear yume is my scumspect right now

Then why would Yume be quickhammered?

Because I was at work. If you tried to quick hammer me, yume had the ability to withdraw head from ass and unvote me before you succeeded. I can see I am over estimating a scum prohawk though...

[Lucky2u]

Do it pro

[Lucky2u]

Besides, it could be Lucky/Dale, something that isn't included in Lucky's little plan

Of course it wasn't... That wasn't the point...I can't prove that.

[Lucky2u]

That's not what we were proving. We were proving he isn't scum with you or pro

[Lucky2u]

That's not what we were proving. We were proving he isn't scum with you or pro

JJust because he is't scum with us doesn't mean he isn't scum with anyone. Contrary to popular belief, someone not being scum with X or Y doesn't mean someone can't be scum with W or Z, and thus doesn't clear someone as town at all.....

And since the whole reason you want to prove he is not scum with either of us is to townclear him completely, your plan doesn't hold water.

I don't believe you are being genuine with this. No it doesn't town clear him. It clears two possible combinations of him being scum which in my eyes leaves only 1 and from town you, would still leave 2. Believe it or not, that test wasn't just for you. It was to appease my own paranoia about ADC because then I can reliable work with him knowing his %66 chance of being town.

[Lucky2u]

What do you think Yume's motivation is to link us both as scum teammates for inane/disingenuous/unsupported reasons? Can you guess what it looks like from my perspective?

Her motivation is to make you agree with her. It's very common for scum to trade a town read of a player for wagon agreement. You do what I say and I like you, therefore I town read you. You don't do what I say, I dislike you, therefore I scum read. She is hoping your self consciousness or ego will kick in and get you on her side. Either by "oh no I don't want to seem scum, I'll vote lucky so I look town!" Or "I'm scum? I'll show you! I'll vote lucky!"

That is the simplest solution for her scum behavior of course. The Yume's razor if you will.

From your perspective. It's probably pretty frustrating. You seem level headed enough though that it's not working so I appreciate that if you are town. Unless your not, then you're stringing this along and I hate you.

[Lucky2u]

Actually this is good. Proves we aren't a scum team pro

[Lucky2u]

If yume was town, and you and me were scum we could quick hammer. So she has cleared another pairing. Good job yume.

[Lucky2u]

well it was fun taking a break from this game yesterday. so what's up folks. is it still just me adc and yume talking? pro still lurking in the shadows of us 3 while we decide the game? luca still v/la? ok cool

[Lucky2u]

I only have one recent game, I've been away from site awhile. I was town but I also wasn't there when the game ended because my state was getting hit by a hurricane.

HERE

[Lucky2u]

I've already explained my thoughts on it. I'll say it again though. She is using her ever changing read on you to bully you into doing what she wants. You finally did something she said so she unvoted you and gave you a town read, then questioned it and she flipped back again. This is largely a scum tactic, but could also be really bad town. The fact that she is doing this leads me to believe that you are not scum with her, so if she is scum her partner is either prohawk or Luca.

[Lucky2u]

If you knew what I know, you'd be saying differently right about now.

And yes, it will be your loss even if I am scum, because the only person not cleared by your little efforts is Lucky, who you are refusing to lynch no matter what. So enjoy your crusade.

Lucky, are you solo scum or something?

if the rules of the game didn't make it impossible, i'd say it's possible for their to be two solo scum players. I would like to point out while you are doing any reading and analysis to not forget that scum have day talk.

[Lucky2u]

scum have day talk per the rules, this indicates the game started with atleast 2 scum. we have not lynched any scum yet. if there is a third faction, town is a minority. I suppose it's not impossible but it's probably not a lyncher, they would have made their move by now. it's probably not a survivor, they could have openly claimed today and worked with scum to just kill town. if it was a cult, then they would have recruited atleast 1 person by now. that would certainly lead to a whole lot of possibilities of game states but I'm going to use Yume's razor and say it's probably just two mafia players.

[Lucky2u]

I signed up for this game because the mod said it was 'experimental'... So far we've seen a cop and roleblocker...?

it's experimentally normal.

[Lucky2u]

UNVOTE:

Since this is the popular thing to do.

[Lucky2u]

Prod Dodge

[Lucky2u]

And this is your scum strategy, btw. You plan to have me lynched and then mislynch Pro as he'd be vulnerable to your dual attack without me to defend him. I solved the game.

Are we just ignoring this? Oh ok

Anyway. Good to have you back Luca. Thanks for the insight.

ADC. You're about the only person I've written off. I highly scum read yume but pro or Luca works as a scum partner.

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, Pro, Luca/Cooper to roleclaim next?

What? Who claimed first?

[Lucky2u]

Not a bad fake claim. Me next?

[Lucky2u]

Citizen. Prohawk next please

[Lucky2u]

Well, Pro didn't quickhammer for one. Lucky is my stronger scumread, and due to Pro scumreading Lucky, Pro/Lucky scumteam is unlikely at this point. That's why I townread Pro.

You are pretending to not know the basic concepts of mafia. You don't understand framing a town player and now you are holding up pro as town because he scum reads me? like scum couldn't scum read each other. That's just not good town logic. Which makes sense since you are not town. If you were, you wouldn't eliminate scum pro from consideration especially since I'm so obvious scum from your point of view. My scum partner should be bussing me in every version of this scenario. Pro would make an excellent choice for a lucky scum partner.

[Lucky2u]

Also Bartleby Pischore literally shows up as no results in Google when I search it. Explain how that was a meme and not a failed fake BP crumb?

[Lucky2u]

Sigh... I knew ADC was town and I knew yume was scum. I was not right about pro and Luca.

As promised yume /handshake

[Lucky2u]

On the plus side this will be a good example of a recent game that lucky lolhammer and it is NAI.

Also per Luca in the scum PT, Brian was killed to frame me. Just like I said

[Lucky2u]

Mod PT
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Scum PT
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Unspoiled Dead PT
Spoiled Dead PT

That unspoiled dead PT is not for this game...

[Lucky2u]

Like Lucky Cabd and Ffery worked on the setup for a long time and there were others from the same discord which the setup was somewhat constructed and they wanted to spec.

I see

[Lucky2u]

Would have been more interesting if the two town PR's lived past N1 tbf
Maybe I'm being too harsh...

But as always, you've got to expect town to play bad. They are playing this setup blind.

Yea you've got to expect players like me.

[Lucky2u]

Oh yea, Thanks for modding! It was a fun way to lose.