Micro 755: The Hero We Deserve (Game Over)

[UC Voyager]

Hello peoples

[UC Voyager]

I might do it out of spite D1. If for some reason I feel like being a dick.

Also PSA for the Vig who may or may not be me ofc:

Don't shoot N1

[/PSA]

Why should the big not shoot night one?

Here is what I think

If we lynch scum, then the vig should shoot

If we lynch town, then vig should not shoot

If we no lynch, the vig should only shoot if he is 90%+ sure of who the scum is

[UC Voyager]

all I'm hearing is definitely shoot dan n1

Is this RVS talk?

[UC Voyager]

In ToS. The vigelante dies of guilt if he shoots townie.

[UC Voyager]

Wait... UCV are you actually suggesting a no lynch as a possibility? How does that benefit us?

I'm not saying we should, but I have seen it happen where town didn't realise the day was about to end.

[UC Voyager]

wow! that is a tight deadline!

lets try and get out of RVS fast!

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: UCV

Why do you not want to get out of RVS?


The longer we stay in RVS, the less we will get to scum hunt! are deadline is very short! we need to get to scum hunting as fast as possible.

I will make some first reads that wont have much to back them up

Jester
I am null about him. the fact he RVS voted me after i said we should try to get out of RVS seems a little scummy, but i could see that coming from a townie

Lucky2u
I town read this slot. I agree that no lynching would not benefit the town. Other than that, It is mostly a gut read!

ActionDan
He is all ready contributing to the town. though i disagree with the idea of the vig not shooting, I think that it is rather townie of him to suggest something like that. especially considering the set up! If we miss lynch, the Vig should not shoot because we could lose night one! I have seen it happen!

Chesskid
Null scum read! he hasn even tried to contribute anything relatively useful1 the most he is done is say we won't no lynch! The rest of his posts are rather bla

Archwing
hasn't posted enough for me to make a read at all!

Flubber
I am going to null read this slot! mostly the fact he hasn't posted! Scum generally make posts really early on in games! This slot hasn't! i also want to say it is scummy because it is lurking! Im not sure what Flubbers scum meta is though. . .

These are my early reads! These will change a lot! I definitely want to start scum hunting!

[UC Voyager]

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

This always happens to me! i almost get the page 2 page top, but someone else gets it before i hit submit. lol

[UC Voyager]

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

this is decent logic, but don't you think scum team will be a little bit more active, so people don't call out lurkscum. . .

VOTE: Chesskid3
lets not random 1v1 day one. please start making good posts

[UC Voyager]

chesskid3

null read so far. gun to my head, scum lean?

Lucky2u

attempt at generating content... not sure if genuine though? null to scum.

Flubbernugget

nothing so far. could be lurking scum... FOS at best. can't say anything for sure, game just started today.

ActionDan

i see some logical progression. townlean.

The_Jester

posted, but with 0 content. This is the kind of lurking behavior I'd expect to see. scumlean here.

UC Voyager

definitely most active thus far. I've seen genuine effort into moving town forwards, thus town lean for me.

Also, UNVOTE:
since we are on a short deadline here, and RVS is, for all intents and purposes, over.

how come you were not posting this much before lucky said that scum would lurk? and Chesskid said something about a 1v1?


Lucky2u
Do you think that being more active could be considered scummy as well? Scum also need to push a miss lynch?

[UC Voyager]

Spoiler:

Making good posts is all I do lmao. I'm comfortable with the amount of content I've provided and content to wait and see who gets squirmy first

you have posted 10 things? Almost none of them are contributing much

because he sucks

I'm willing to 1v1 archwing

ok. . .
why does he suck? he had only made a post or two before this. I don't see any reason to think he sucks

we aren't no lynching either lul

this was contributing, so i will give you that

lmao obvs

This was an answer, so slightly useful

and if its u dan u have to shoot urself

all I'm hearing is definitely shoot dan n1

you are joking here, but i think that townie would be interesting in moving the game forward and not joking. . .

also anyone who extends deadline is a scummilionaire

how come? extending the dead line would give us more time to scum hunt!

Idk how that quote got there

Current game status

: With 6 out of 7 players confirmed, the game has now started! (The remaining player will be replaced unless they confirm within 48 hours.)

Vote Count

Not voting

(7): chesskid3, Archwing, Lucky2u, Flubbernugget, ActionDan, The_Jester, UC Voyager

The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Thursday 16 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-16 17:30:00)

)

VOTE: The_Jester

this can die

RVS

so about 2/10 of your posts are townie contributing and 4/10 are kind of scummy and 4/10 are useless...

[UC Voyager]

I had gotten home from work - I made my check-in RVS post while I was on b

cool cool. I was kind of thinking that was the case or something along those lines

I want Flubber to post here soon! It has not been long since game start, but it does raise my attention!

[UC Voyager]

Why should the big not shoot night one?

Here is what I think

If we lynch scum, then the vig should shoot

If we lynch town, then vig should not shoot

The same reasoning applies if we lynch scum or town D1. Why do you think the former scenario is different to whatever logic you applied for the latter?

here is what i think Vig should do if scum is lynched

iso the scum. look at interactions.
shoot player who town read them and voted the same as them!
also consider other things!

if we lynch scum
1v5
even if vig gets townie
1v3
not even "no lynch you lose"

if he doesn't!
1v4
then it would give us one more miss lynch to no lynch you lose!
but it would give us a wider range of people who could be scum! it is better for us if we only have a few choices, but i could see why to have the vig not shoot!

in the case that Vig knows who the scum probably is! then he should most definitely shoot

[UC Voyager]

Lucky2u
Do you think that being more active could be considered scummy as well? Scum also need to push a miss lynch?

That's straight up wifom ucv. In this setup, lurking is going to be exclusively anti town. It could be done by a town player but only a bad one. Being active could be equally possible from both sides. So lynching lurkers is not a bad idea.

This makes since! I actually agree. A townie would not lurk, but a scum would! so if someone is not lurking, they can still be scum or town, but if they lurk, they are scum! or bad town

[UC Voyager]

here is what i think Vig should do if scum is lynched

iso the scum. look at interactions.
shoot player who town read them and voted the same as them!
also consider other things!

if we lynch scum
1v5
even if vig gets townie
1v3
not even "no lynch you lose"

if he doesn't!
1v4
then it would give us one more miss lynch to no lynch you lose!
but it would give us a wider range of people who could be scum! it is better for us if we only have a few choices, but i could see why to have the vig not shoot!

in the case that Vig knows who the scum probably is! then he should most definitely shoot

Not really a fan of what you're doing here. I'm reading this as scum telling vig what to do, so scum can prepare. Why would you want the vig's night actions to be public? Now, you've basically just informed the scum team how to play, to avoid being shot. FOS UCV.

If your going by that logic, then shouldn't you be scum reading action fan?

[UC Voyager]

In brief defence
That was just listing scenarios

Notice how i said
If Vig does X

[UC Voyager]

I read Dan's as generic advice, ie: "Don't shoot N1"

UC's is a bit more involved... telling Vig to go after a lynched-scum's town reads. This can give alerts to the scum team, and they can adjust play-style accordingly.

this is true, but the scum team is going to hope they are not going to be lynched today!

we need this to be untrue!


You didn't acknowledge the fact i said "if Vig does X" and not "vig should do X"

[UC Voyager]

how Archwing is the scummiest scum that ever scummed

pedit: why agree so readily to a 1v1

You seem to be aware of UCV being lynchbait from your other posts, with Archwing having a very similar start date, why do you not consider he is also just a noob? You have history it seems, he plays well normally?

I wouldn't consider myself to be a noob tbh

i have played in many games

Spoiler: my games

town win
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73654&p=9752095#p9752095
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73411

town lose
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73542
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73171
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73890
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73616
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73520

Mafia win
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73733

Mafia lose
none yet!

[UC Voyager]

how Archwing is the scummiest scum that ever scummed

pedit: why agree so readily to a 1v1

You seem to be aware of UCV being lynchbait from your other posts, with Archwing having a very similar start date, why do you not consider he is also just a noob? You have history it seems, he plays well normally?

I wouldn't consider myself to be a noob tbh

i have played in many games

Spoiler: my games

town win
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73654&p=9752095#p9752095
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73411

town lose
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73542
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73171
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73890
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=73616
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73520

Mafia win
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73733

Mafia lose
none yet!

well....not many...but quite a few

[UC Voyager]

UCV I apologize if I offended you but I wanted chess to answer that. It shows scum motivation to go after the newer players because they are low hanging fruit.

oh. im not offended.

i don't really get "offended". i was just saying.

[UC Voyager]

how Archwing is the scummiest scum that ever scummed

pedit: why agree so readily to a 1v1

You seem to be aware of UCV being lynchbait from your other posts, with Archwing having a very similar start date, why do you not consider he is also just a noob? You have history it seems, he plays well normally?

I don't really do the whole meta thing I generally think it's a pile of feces but UC Voyager is clearly lynchbait in every game he plays regardless of alignment even if it's the first game you've played with him

scumread on Archwing is not based on attacking UC VOyager

this is just untrue

i am not lynch bait. . .Maybe in a few of my games, but not all.

[UC Voyager]

Btw Jester if you're scum you should just quick hammer me, nightkill Dan, take your lynch tomorrow and then I don't see whoever gets cleared in the 3-way figuring it out.

Best odds you've got of winning the game . If not, feel free to throw down a post and I can refine my PoE

Thanks

this seems really fake

[UC Voyager]

See, UC Voyager, the thing that makes you bad at mafia is you don't think

You say it seems fake, which I assume means 'scummy' but that would only be true if it advanced a scum agenda.

What benefit is there for me posting that? I'll give you the town reason, and you can provide your hypothetical scum reason, how about that?

If Jester is town I don't care how he interprets my post (past not quickhammering without posting to allow me to refine my reads based on this..fortunately I don't really have to worry about this since you're on the wagon, eh?) , and if he's scum I fully expect him to take my advice, or am curious to see how he responds to the suggestion (since it is 100% his best chance of winning)

Your turn! And if i see the phrase 'AtE' appear anywhere in your post I'm going to reach through your computer screen and slap you, because there's no emotion in this post or the previous one.

idek what ATE is, so blah.

I see the scum trying to look townie by doing that. "just lynch me". bla. that is crap. a town wouldn't do that. they would be pushing an actual case with some scum hunting

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE: uhhhh k

[UC Voyager]

I also have the exact same scum pool.

That said I'll be more confident in flubber being town with some more posts probably

Happy scumday

[UC Voyager]

Ok the amount of people townreading UCV tells me he's indeed town and there's scum between his supporters

UNVOTE:

i wouldn't say that everyone is town reading me. . .

[UC Voyager]

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

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Those are all my current stances

Im wondering, Archwing put up a case on Chesskid. why would you scum lean him if you scum read Chess. Also, you have not gone after Flubber yet. Flubber hasn't been the most active and you said you would go after non active players

[UC Voyager]

The point of UC Voyagers that's valid here that I was heading towards is if your reads show me town implies him scum and doesnt suggest me scum implies him scum.
then you're saying one of us is scum so who is #2

Most likely partner to you as scum, UCV or actiondan. UCV because he unvoted you so quickly like he was eager for a reason even though all that was said is that someone town read you. Actiondan because he stopped questioning to just sheep your scum reads.

I'm not looking for the double kill right now, I just need one to help find the other.

There was not enough on the case.
im not pushing a Chesskid lynch. we got a few more days now, so we should be fine for a little!

[UC Voyager]

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

Excuse for voting someone without a reason. easy to push miss lynches this way. It is true that lurking is anti-town, but It is always better to lynch an actual scum than a bad town

OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post. You cast a wide net, I could have ignored you like jester did. Instead I'm going to point out how that post was NOT scum hunting, it's fishing for a mislynch wagon.

OMGUS is never a valid reason. The fact you even suggested it could ever be valid pings me as scum

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

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Those are all my current stances

says will vote lurkers, town reads a lurker, scum reads the most active players

also.
wtf. Scum rarely buss day one. What i have noticed is scum love to get a flawless win! they like to win without busing, so they generally won't buss until day 2.
I have pointed out the scummy parts of chesskid, but i thought that that lynch wasn't the best option

[UC Voyager]

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

Excuse for voting someone without a reason. easy to push miss lynches this way. It is true that lurking is anti-town, but It is always better to lynch an actual scum than a bad town

OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post. You cast a wide net, I could have ignored you like jester did. Instead I'm going to point out how that post was NOT scum hunting, it's fishing for a mislynch wagon.

OMGUS is never a valid reason. The fact you even suggested it could ever be valid pings me as scum

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

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Those are all my current stances

says will vote lurkers, town reads a lurker, scum reads the most active players

also.
wtf. Scum rarely buss day one. What i have noticed is scum love to get a flawless win! they like to win without busing, so they generally won't buss until day 2.
I have pointed out the scummy parts of chesskid, but i thought that that lynch wasn't the best option

UCV...

1. I did say I would likely vote lurkers if I needed to, I didn't have to because I ended up finding a good scum read. So I'm not pushing someone without reason, I'm pushing someone for specific reasons.

2. You misunderstood that whole exchange. I was NOT saying OMGUS is a valid reason to vote someone, I was saying his accusation that my vote was OMGUS was not valid but that accusing someone of OMGUS can be valid. You aren't trying to misrep me are you?

3. Scum don't bus day 1... What?

regarding the 2

you said
"OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post"
This looks like you were saying that OMGUS can be a valid reason, but not in this case

sorry if i miss read that

[UC Voyager]

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

Excuse for voting someone without a reason. easy to push miss lynches this way. It is true that lurking is anti-town, but It is always better to lynch an actual scum than a bad town

OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post. You cast a wide net, I could have ignored you like jester did. Instead I'm going to point out how that post was NOT scum hunting, it's fishing for a mislynch wagon.

OMGUS is never a valid reason. The fact you even suggested it could ever be valid pings me as scum

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

------------

Those are all my current stances

says will vote lurkers, town reads a lurker, scum reads the most active players

also.
wtf. Scum rarely buss day one. What i have noticed is scum love to get a flawless win! they like to win without busing, so they generally won't buss until day 2.
I have pointed out the scummy parts of chesskid, but i thought that that lynch wasn't the best option

UCV...

1. I did say I would likely vote lurkers if I needed to, I didn't have to because I ended up finding a good scum read. So I'm not pushing someone without reason, I'm pushing someone for specific reasons.

2. You misunderstood that whole exchange. I was NOT saying OMGUS is a valid reason to vote someone, I was saying his accusation that my vote was OMGUS was not valid but that accusing someone of OMGUS can be valid. You aren't trying to misrep me are you?

3. Scum don't bus day 1... What?

regarding the 2

you said
"OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post"
This looks like you were saying that OMGUS can be a valid reason, but not in this case

sorry if i miss read that

also

Scum rarely bus day one. It doesn't really help. You don't need town credit until late game! sometimes it would work, but it is ineffective. Personally, im not one to bus at all unless i see a good reason to!

[UC Voyager]

Lucky2u, i want to point out that you were on the chesskid wagon rather quickly when it was a large wagon. your still on it now, but it is a little scummy to me tht you would chose the biggest wagon even though It was built on a smaller case. it was the only case, but it was still there!

[UC Voyager]

I don't like that action Dan is only noting town reads

This is true.

I still don't find him scummy. I have a town read on him

[UC Voyager]

im leaning more for a lucky2u lynch

[UC Voyager]

For now I will say my lynch pool is in (flub, Dan, chess)

This is a horrible lynch pool

seconded

[UC Voyager]

Arch you shouldn't gimme town points for something scum can do too lol

RE: scum bussing Day1
It's stupid to assume they won't do something cause it rarely happens. In fact, they'd prolly want to do it for the same reason. I've just completed the game with a hardcore D1 bus that totally paid off

THEY might now, but i don't see it to often.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Lucky2you
this is the only thing other than flubber that makes since

I don't see why lucky town reads flubber. I don't. especially over like everyone else in the game. notice how she scum reads everyone except for a few people she NULL READS and the one person she town reads.

I have said a few other things on this person.

[UC Voyager]

Im still trying to read him.

Mr reads look like

Town
ActionDan
UC Voyager
Jester

Null
Arch
Chesskid

null scum
Flubber

Scum
Lucky2u

[UC Voyager]

Im still trying to read him.

Mr reads look like

Town
ActionDan
UC Voyager
Jester

Null
Arch
Chesskid

null scum
Flubber

Scum
Lucky2u

Town jester? Why?

extending the deadline. i don't think scum would do that when they could get a free NK

[UC Voyager]

What if jester is scum with chess?

that is a team i would currently expect. the teams that would be the most logical right now are

Flubber/Lucky2u
Chesskid/Actiondan
Chesskid/jester (meh)
im not sure about any other combos

[UC Voyager]

chess/dan is a possible scum team, but yet you townread dan.. that doesn't make any sense.

i townread him, but i could see him being scum with chesskid

[UC Voyager]

Arch,

I have the jester as a hard scum read, and action Dan as scum by poe

and why?

this is one thing that pings me. your just saying it. give me some reasoning, or say you have said why

[UC Voyager]

"or say you have said why" implies there's a good chance I've already explained myself, yeah?

i dont see a good reason to. I think that lucky2u is scum

[UC Voyager]

i will extend deadline soon

[UC Voyager]

extend deadline

[UC Voyager]

I feel like a chess lynch isn't happening today, so I'm going with
VOTE: jester

BELIEVE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ALL GOALS

that being said chesskid and flubber are fine. FOR NOW

stop doing shit like this. it is scummy as fuck

I think I would want Lucky2u today

yea. i feel the same

[UC Voyager]

extend deadline

we probably shouldnt have used the one arch just did. there is no reason we cant get a lynch in 11 hours. I also agree that arch's unvote after is pretty scummy. so... let's vote him?

If you're going to build a case on me, you should at least know what you're talking about. There is so much effort right there, in you trying to start a wagon on me. This is forced af, and it really pings me. Unvote explained after.

Why the unvote Arch? Extended DL doesn't mean you shouldn't push your scumreads.

YOU'D BETTER PUSH THE BUTTON AND LET ME KNOW
BEFORE I GET THE WRONG IDEA AND GO
YOU'RE GONNA MISS THE FREAK THAT I CONTROL

You know, Jester, I like you. I like your approach to people who scumread you. I find it pretty entertaining.. confident, one might say. Something that would appear to come from a conftown personality. Which in a way furthers my read on you. I unvoted because deadline extended. If you see my post where I did vote, I originally was on Chesskid, but did not think that lynch would go through, so I switched to you, since you seem to be much more lynchable d1. Then UCV extended the deadline. I unvoted because I feel more comfortable with a Chess lynch, I think, but I wanna see where this extension takes us. I've got FOS on lucky right now.

All in all, I'm not really a fan of the extension either, but we can't undo it, so we may as well utilize it and get a little more scumhunting done.

Ibdo not feel good with a chesskid3 lynch. His wagon was to fast and it felt like lucky2u was quick to jump on it. There is no issue with extending the deadline. This will only last a few days. 2-4 at most. So wasting an extend deadline will only give us more time to scum hunt. Why do you think we should lynch Chess or Jester? The only case on them is that they have not taken the game to seriously. I have noticed scum tend to take the game seriously.

I see a good case in Lucky2U and I think that is the best lynch.

[UC Voyager]

I consider Flubbernugget to be a possible scum, but iw would really prefer a Lucky2U wagon! I could easily see flubber as a partner, but Lucky2U is the better lynch.

[UC Voyager]

If there's no need for a deadline extension there's no much utility in using the time.

It gives time for scum to redirect wagons though!

but it gives us more time to scum hunt. it is best we make the most of it.

i want to mention possible scum teams

Flubber/Lucky2u
Arch/Lucky2u
Chess/Jester
a few others i cant think of. i want to read a few things.

[UC Voyager]

If there's no need for a deadline extension there's no much utility in using the time.

It gives time for scum to redirect wagons though!

So you recommend we do nothing for 2 days? Who are we lynching today?

lucky2u preferably. i have stated my reasoning and have been trying to push that slot for a while

[UC Voyager]

I dont like the way you are trying to nail down whole teams UCV. It's day 1, just try to hit one.

im just listing the possibilities that make since at the moment. they will probably change

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: jester



his contributions are still low. i could see him to be a scum with chesskid easily. I don't really agree because i would prefer to lynch lucky2u

[UC Voyager]

so im thinking the partner is either archwing or flubber.

i want to look at interactions.

[UC Voyager]

so im thinking the partner is either archwing or flubber.

i want to look at interactions.

it might be actiondan, but he has been townie so far. archwing did not vote for lucky2u when me and chesskid were, and we were trying to get him to, but he would not.

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props to Chesskid for that amazing shot. tbh, i would have shot there myself!

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I am not sure if a 1v2 is the best idea. It is a 1v3 currently. A 1v2 would be easier to quickhammer with. It is 3 to lynch right now. Tomorrow, it will be 2 to lynch. But we will have one less possible scum. We are lucky the vig got a scum. Making things easier to guess. It is a risky move when we have a good chance of getting a scum today.

[UC Voyager]

I am not sure if a 1v2 is the best idea. It is a 1v3 currently. A 1v2 would be easier to quickhammer with. It is 3 to lynch right now. Tomorrow, it will be 2 to lynch. But we will have one less possible scum. We are lucky the vig got a scum. Making things easier to guess. It is a risky move when we have a good chance of getting a scum today.

Is it? 25% chance hitting scum today, if you no lynch though, 33% hitting scum tomorrow.

UCV, can you explain the quickhammer yesterday please?

Part of it was clearing chesskid. I should have remembered there is a town PR or two. Saddly, chesskid died so clearing him didn't do much good.

Arch, why did you not acknowledge the case on lucky2u yesterday?

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE:

thinking for now. I think it's a bit less random than 25% even ignoring the BP still out there for now

BP doesn't prevent a lynch though. which means that today is still 1 in 4 odds of finding scum. Which is still 25%.

if the BP outs himself, then he/she is eliminated from the list of possible scum. so tomorrow, they would have a 50% chance of finding scum, but I think today is enough. statistics are not a strong way to find scum. I use statistics when im scum sometimes. we should use what we know!

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appi have asked Arch a question and no replys since. FIRST, i wan't to do some vote count analysis! then i will do some interactions. in the mean time, i want to hear from Flubber and Arch!

[UC Voyager]

Vote Count

chesskid3

(2):

UC Voyager

,

Lucky2u

UC Voyager

(1):

The_Jester

Archwing

(1):

chesskid3

The_Jester

(1): Flubbernugget

Not voting

(2): ActionDan, Archwing

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end

in approximately 24 hours

on Thursday 16 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-16 17:30:00)

)

mostly RVS. not much to say

Vote Count

chesskid3

(2):

Lucky2u

,

Archwing

The_Jester

(2): Flubbernugget,

chesskid3

Not voting

(3): ActionDan,

UC Voyager

, The_Jester

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Monday 20 November, 5:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-20 05:30:00)

)

really interesting how arch and lucky2u are in the same place here. if i remember correctly, they had similar cases on chesskid!

Vote Count

chesskid3

(2):

Lucky2u

,

Archwing

The_Jester

(2): Flubbernugget,

chesskid3

Not voting

(3): ActionDan,

UC Voyager

, The_Jester

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Monday 20 November, 5:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-20 05:30:00)

)

this looks the same as the last tbh.

Vote Count

The_Jester

(1): Flubbernugget

chesskid3

(1): Archwing

Lucky2y

(1):

UC Voyager

Not voting

(4): ActionDan,

The_Jester

,

Lucky2u

,

chesskid3

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end

this weekend

(in most timezones) on Monday 20 November, 5:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-20 05:30:00)

)

EDIT: Did I seriously manage to pagebottom two pages in a row?

hmmmm. Lucky2u jumps off. i start a wagon on lucky2u. who happens to be scum. other than that, there isn't much to see here

Vote Count

The_Jester

(2): Flubbernugget, Archwing

Lucky2u

(1):

UC Voyager

Archwing

(1):

Lucky2u

Not voting

(3): ActionDan,

The_Jester

,

chesskid3

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end

in less than 24 hours

on Monday 20 November, 5:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-20 05:30:00)

)

so now both Archwing and lucky2u are off chesskid. archwing moves to the next biggest wagon where flubber has been for a while. lucky2u goes onto archwing. this could be busing. i bring this up because i did mention that it is uncommon for scum team to buss day 1, so lucky2u could have been trying to use that to his advantage

Vote Count

Lucky2u

(2):

UC Voyager, chesskid3

Archwing

(2): L

ucky2u

,

The_Jester

The_Jester

(1): Flubbernugget

Not voting

(2): ActionDan, Archwing

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Thursday 23 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-23 17:30:00)

)

so now archwing is off jester, but flubber still is. at this point, it looks like lucky2u has the most votes. archwing doesn't vote there even though he has been on all of the other major wagons. lucky2u is still on archwing which archwing hasn't even noted.

Vote Count

Lucky2u

(2): U

C Voyager, chesskid3

Archwing

(2):

Lucky2u

,

The_Jester

The_Jester

(1): Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget

(1): Archwing

Not voting

(1): ActionDan

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Thursday 23 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-23 17:30:00)

)

hmmm. now archwing has 180 from voting with flubber to voting against flubber.

Vote Count

Lucky2u

(2): UC Voyager, chesskid3

Archwing

(2): Lucky2u, The_Jester

The_Jester

(1): Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget

(1): Archwing

Not voting

(1): ActionDan

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end on Thursday 23 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-23 17:30:00)

)

this looks the same

Vote Count

Lucky2u

(2):

UC Voyager, chesskid3

Archwing

(2):

Lucky2u

,

The_Jester

The_Jester

(2): Flubbernugget, Archwing

Not voting

(1): ActionDan

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are required to lynch.
The deadline

can be extended

, but if it isn't, day will end

in approximately 24 hours

on Thursday 23 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-23 17:30:00)

)

now archwing pulled ANOTHER 180 and voted for jester which is now the bigger wagon

Vote Count

The_Jester

(4): Flubbernugget,

Archwing

,

Lucky2u

,

UC Voyager

Lucky2u

(1):

chesskid3

Archwing

(1):

The_Jester

Not voting

(1): ActionDan

With 7 players alive, 4 votes were required to lynch.
The deadline was Thursday 23 November, 17:30:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-23 17:30:00)

).

The_Jester

was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.
Night deadline is Friday 24 November, 20:45:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2017-11-24 20:45:00)

).

and then he was on the jester wagon with lucky2u. surprise surprise.

vote counts making archwing look really bad tbh. lets look into interactions N such

[UC Voyager]

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

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Those are all my current stances

so at this point, i have not mentioned bussing. this makes archwing look better, and flubber look worse because Lucky2u town read flubber even though they said they would vote people who lurked. Im not sure what else to make of this

The point of UC Voyagers that's valid here that I was heading towards is if your reads show me town implies him scum and doesnt suggest me scum implies him scum.
then you're saying one of us is scum so who is #2

Most likely partner to you as scum, UCV or actiondan. UCV because he unvoted you so quickly like he was eager for a reason even though all that was said is that someone town read you. Actiondan because he stopped questioning to just sheep your scum reads.

I'm not looking for the double kill right now, I just need one to help find the other.

this makes action dan look a little good here.

...your just realizing the deadline?

Anyway. My theory is that scum will super benefit from those tight deadlines and play lurky. I will probably vote for lurkers day 1.

Excuse for voting someone without a reason. easy to push miss lynches this way. It is true that lurking is anti-town, but It is always better to lynch an actual scum than a bad town

OMGUS would be valid if you only attacked me in that post. You cast a wide net, I could have ignored you like jester did. Instead I'm going to point out how that post was NOT scum hunting, it's fishing for a mislynch wagon.

OMGUS is never a valid reason. The fact you even suggested it could ever be valid pings me as scum

Take A STANCE. ANY STANCE. On the other members.

are they town? are they scum? are they null? why?

Town leans
Flubber

Unreadable:
UCV

Null:
Actiondan
Jester

Scum lean:
Arch

Prob scum:
Chess

For chess and ucv, see my posts so far.

Flubber, little bit of gut here but he is showing the right amount of town curiosity to see and question things from both sides.

Actiondan started out with some town inquisitiveness but then stopped and just agreed with chess.

Jester initially read scumspect for his 83 where he only analysised UCV, and lazily. However the way he is just ignoring chess's bullying reads town.

If chess is just being bad town, this is the scum that was caught. His reaction has been kind of bad and there is a sense of exaggeration and desperation to his posts. I could see this as just a new player characteristic misread though.

------------

Those are all my current stances

says will vote lurkers, town reads a lurker, scum reads the most active players

also.
wtf. Scum rarely buss day one. What i have noticed is scum love to get a flawless win! they like to win without busing, so they generally won't buss until day 2.
I have pointed out the scummy parts of chesskid, but i thought that that lynch wasn't the best option

UCV...

1. I did say I would likely vote lurkers if I needed to, I didn't have to because I ended up finding a good scum read. So I'm not pushing someone without reason, I'm pushing someone for specific reasons.

2. You misunderstood that whole exchange. I was NOT saying OMGUS is a valid reason to vote someone, I was saying his accusation that my vote was OMGUS was not valid but that accusing someone of OMGUS can be valid. You aren't trying to misrep me are you?

3. Scum don't bus day 1... What?

this looks like the scum was confused because i said that scum wouldn't do what they were doing. i might be overthinking this one, but this definitely makes archwing look bad

UCV have you taken a stance on arch, and what do you think of his two posts above yours?

Everyone's scum reads seen kind of scattered, and we have a whole lot of not voting right now.

VOTE: archwing

Let's start commiting to some wagons so we can get a lynch today please.

after i say scum would probably not bus, lucky2u thinks it is an even better idea to bus now!

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right now, im thinking


most scummy to most townie

Archwing, flubber, ActionDan.
now i want to decide which of them is the scum. i want to look to how i acted as scum in other games as well.

[UC Voyager]

@UCV,

I did not acknowledge the case yesterday on Lucky because I was not confident in him being scum. I had him at null... obviously I didn't have a good enough read on him, and that's something that I take forward with me as I get more experienced at Mafia.

Also, regarding stats, I'm not really using probability here to find scum, I'm just replying to a remark that you initiated, and Dan had commented on too.

You can argue that Lucky tried to bus scum!me after your conversation, but I think he was just trying to call out some shit on me to get a mislynch, since Chesskid already had it out for me (and him, ironically.) Lucky then appealed to the crowd by going on Jester's wagon once he felt that I wasn't day 1's lynch, who was being more universally scumread by town.

I'll have more analysis later, I've got a couple university deadlines coming up soon, but I will be checking in and posting throughout the days.

you looked into most of my other cases, but you seemed to void the lucky2u case. if i recall correctly, i asked you to say what you thought about the lucky2u case. which you never answered.

[UC Voyager]

if someone could extend the deadline, it would help!

[UC Voyager]

awesom!

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i honestly feel like flubber is town inactive and not scum lurking.

a lot of players prefer to play as the mafia alignment. and will put a lot of effort into it. s town, a lotof players start to not pay s much attention to the game.


I don't want to confbias archwing. I have lost several newbie games to that recently


flubber, why should we think you are town!not paying attention over scum!lurking

dan, why do we all think your town and who do you think is scum

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am i the only person trying. that makes finding a scum so much harder.

[UC Voyager]

Out of flubber and archwing I slightly favor voting archwing. Only slightly though. I find the his case against flubber d2 sounds like his throwing the kitchen sink at him while at the very least someone like me could easily be scum and I'm surprised he went full throttle on flubber.

As for flubber well if he had posted more d1 I'd probably have a better sense of his alignment. I'm going to read back to see if I can extract metephorical blood from a metephorical stone

I know that UCV is town. And I can not see a reality where Dan is scum and Flubber is town. Hence, my push on Flubber. Realize too, I had flubber pinged from day 1. I realize that today's lynch falls between me and Flubber, because even if someone was scum-reading either Dan or UCV, to get 3/4 votes would be impossible. A corollary of this; If either of you two are the remaining scum, good fucking job on the scum win. But you are not. I know that it's Flubber. I hope he becomes more active soon.

Also, lol @ your last bit.

I have done this as scum. In one of my scum games, I was building up a massive case which consisted of three days worth of reasons why someone was scum. just because you have scum read someone for a long time, it doesn't mean your not scum and that person is.


flubber, can you answer the question i asked you earlier

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ergggg....i don't know what to think anymore. I know of a strartigy that might work well

[UC Voyager]

arggggggggggggggg. what to do. what to think

[UC Voyager]

ergggg....i don't know what to think anymore. I know of a strartigy that might work well

If it's anything to do with BPs table it

I'll probably come to a decision soon.

i could not find the thread and i cannot remember the exact details. : p

[UC Voyager]

yea. arch, use your etension, or flubber use it

[UC Voyager]

One thing to remember is if we lynch a town, we don lose because the scum could try to NK the BP.
I don't wan't to take chances, so I think that we should just get scum today (that is all ready the goal)

what is the BP strat

[UC Voyager]

I just read one of Flubber's more recent finished scum game.

it looks a lot like this game.


I wan't to read action Dan's scum game and Archwing's scum game

[UC Voyager]

i could not find a game where archwing was scum.

[UC Voyager]

I read one of ActionDan's scum games. this isn't much like it.

I like Archwing's case and it makes a lot of since.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: flubber

Because "flubber" sounds gross.

this could be distancing. so funny how

1. Lucky says he will vote people who lurk, but when flubber lurks, lucky doesn't vote flubber, but town reads flubber
2. Votes FLubber in RVS and FLubber happens to be in RVS. this could be over exaggerating things, but I have seen scum vote each other in RVS!
3. Flubber seems to playing their scum games
4. started posting day 2 in mylo when things start looking heated for them!

[UC Voyager]

Out of flubber and archwing I slightly favor voting archwing. Only slightly though. I find the his case against flubber d2 sounds like his throwing the kitchen sink at him while at the very least someone like me could easily be scum and I'm surprised he went full throttle on flubber.

As for flubber well if he had posted more d1 I'd probably have a better sense of his alignment. I'm going to read back to see if I can extract metephorical blood from a metephorical stone

I know that UCV is town

. And I can not see a reality where Dan is scum and Flubber is town. Hence, my push on Flubber. Realize too, I had flubber pinged from day 1. I realize that today's lynch falls between me and Flubber, because even if someone was scum-reading either Dan or UCV, to get 3/4 votes would be impossible. A corollary of this; If either of you two are the remaining scum, good fucking job on the scum win. But you are not. I know that it's Flubber. I hope he becomes more active soon.

Also, lol @ your last bit.

[UC Voyager]

Out of flubber and archwing I slightly favor voting archwing. Only slightly though. I find the his case against flubber d2 sounds like his throwing the kitchen sink at him while at the very least someone like me could easily be scum and I'm surprised he went full throttle on flubber.

As for flubber well if he had posted more d1 I'd probably have a better sense of his alignment. I'm going to read back to see if I can extract metephorical blood from a metephorical stone

I know that UCV is town

. And I can not see a reality where

Dan is scum

and

Flubber is town

. Hence, my push on Flubber. Realize too, I had flubber pinged from day 1. I realize that today's lynch falls between me and Flubber, because even if someone was scum-reading either Dan or UCV, to get 3/4 votes would be impossible. A corollary of this; If either of you two are the remaining scum, good fucking job on the scum win. But you are not. I know that it's Flubber. I hope he becomes more active soon.

Also, lol @ your last bit.

how so. Only the scum knows i am town. this looks like a hige slip which would make my last case on flubber not important.
Why can you not see the reality?
how do you know for a fact im town?

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: Flubber
screw it

[UC Voyager]

ok. good to know! (:

[UC Voyager]

so now it looks like

UCV, Dan is town
archwing, flubber could be scum


I was afraid i was confbias the two


now i know this isn't the case

[UC Voyager]

. . .

[UC Voyager]

do you intend on hammering any time soon?

[UC Voyager]

can you link it

[UC Voyager]

i read it. . .had to do a little searching though

[UC Voyager]

I might hammer, but i want to think.

[UC Voyager]

I intend to hammer in the morning or sooner depending

[UC Voyager]

Arch? lurking isn't going to stop me from voting you btw

[UC Voyager]

ugh....this is so hard

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: archwing
i said the morning. I gave you longer tbh. I do not feel like you have really done a good job of saying why flubber is scum. and only made one post. if you were town, i think you would have done more.


if you are town, i will be sad. very sad

[UC Voyager]

omg. yeaaaaa....
I was the Even night bullet proof

I actually have a good reason for hammering day one.
As a Power Role, i was getting a little scared because i was being very town read and i thought i was going to be the NK. because i was an even night BP, i would not have been safe N1. I hammered, so that they would not NK PR!me. saddly, they did end up getting the vig in stead. luckily, the vig got a scum!

[UC Voyager]

when will the PTs N such be posted

[UC Voyager]

yea.

This game made me feel sick to the stomach because I was honestly afraid to mess up. Overall, this was an extremely fun game. the setup is rather balanced, but town got very lucky here.

Thank you calliforniaJudgment for modding!

[UC Voyager]

WP UC.

It is good you did not hammer flubber lol.

I was extremely afraid that you were scum trying to get the me to out myself as the BP before hammering. lol

[UC Voyager]

sorry i wasn't the gift that kept giving scum team

omg. there a few signature quotes i got from here

almost every post UCV posts bleeds town

Let's hope UCV really is the gift that keeps on giving

[UC Voyager]

I think i would have been a likely NK choice if i didn't hammer. lol. Lucky2u said in scum thread that they thought that there might have been PR motive for hammering, but they didn't NK.


when i saw they got a PR, i was like DAMNIT

[UC Voyager]

it was interesting. it definitely adds more to the game

[UC Voyager]

yea. i got a prod which surprised me lol