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Post #102 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:12 pm
Postby nancy »
Actually I'd like to start the game here with some RQS so four questions for everyone borrowed from Regfan:
1) What are your availabilities re: timezone / time of day / posting frequency?
2) What kind of experience do you have with mafia and how does that inform your play?
3) Do you prefer hunting down scum to manipulating town and why?
4) How would you describe your playstyle and is there anything about it you're trying to change this game?
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
you're too astute / pay too much attention to all the details for this 'oopsie'
I'm also doing a bunch of other things IRL right now and hadn't started taking this game seriously yet so I was paying much attention at all; why do you think I'd make that kind of lie if I were scum here?
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #110 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:21 pm
Postby nancy »
In post 106, drealmerz7 wrote:aye, it's more than a feeling, there are thoughts with the feelings as well, with multiple indicators
I could maybe write a paragraph or two about it but my head is kind of wobbly with focus so don't really want to force myself to do that (been a really hard past 2 days)
Fair enough, I'll follow up with you later if you've not given a response once you've found your focus.
In post 105, nancy wrote:why do you think I'd make that kind of lie if I were scum here?
because you thought it was innocuous enough to not be anything and you're a little thrown off after I fakeshot you, which I don't think would have happened if you were town
What makes you think I'm the kind of scum player who would be thrown by a fake dayvig in that situation and why wouldn't I have been thrown if I were town? Given that I'm quite aware of how we've both been trying to coordinate playing a game together for a while now I would think it should be fairly obvious to you that I'd know it was fake even if I were scum and didn't think we were still in pre-game.
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Post #116 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:44 pm
Postby nancy »
1) I work from home so I have pretty free access and can definitely post a ton sometimes, GMT+1 / very weird sleeping habits.
2) First played EM for a few weeks, then came to mafiascum, since then have migrated to Westeros and some other sites, have around 20 completed games or maybe less.
3) I enjoy them both but I prefer manipulating people because it's easier and a lot less stressful than trying to solve games, mafia is my comfort zone.
4) I like to talk to people a fuckton; have been trying to change my game over the past several games to rely more on logic and remove my emotional side from the game / draw a lot of the "power" out of it so that I'm not bullrushing people like I used to; still need to figure out how to make this style more interesting / compelling to other players.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
What makes you think I'm the kind of scum player who would
be thrown by a fake dayvig in that situation and why wouldn't I have been thrown if I were town? Given that I'm quite aware of how
we've both been trying to coordinate playing a game together for a while
now I would think it should be fairly obvious to you that I'd know it was fake even if I were scum and
didn't think we were still in pre-game.
1.) this is a generalized stance you're wanting me to answer rather than the specificness of this game, look to the pink as to why it threw you and because
2.) you knew we weren't in pre-game anymore and thought I'd actually caught and shot you already
you wouldn't have gotten thrown as town, you'd have gotten pissed
you'd have also checked to make sure if we were still in pre-game or not if you didn't know when you saw the dayvig and then, if town, gotten pissed because you'd have realized we were no longer in pre-game
The point I was making was that even if I'd thought the game had started I'd have known it wasn't real because even if you do think of yourself as a master I really don't think you're arrogant enough to make a dayvig at the very start of the dayphase especially if you didn't know whether it was dayending; I also wouldn't have believed you could get a scumread that hard that fast.
Not much point continuing down this line since it's just you saying "I'm completely convinced you're lying" and not being able to talk about your reasoning yet but I'm definitely hoping that this isn't the main point of your scumread because I think it's very weak and not really understandable at all even if you do get irrational scumreads sometimes.
Like if you're scum here coming out with a hard scumread me of you surely know that it's not going to be helpful for you at all and that you're not going to be able to get me lynched so either you're making a horrible tactical decision (which I think is unlikely but not completely impossible given how much of a risk-taker I think you can be) or you're hoping to try to make yourself obvtown through some sort of early spat that you want to look like a TvT.
And if you're town here then what you're doing is even harder to understand because I think you're pretty aware of how silly the kind of stance / reasoning you're putting forth so far is. If there's something I'm missing there then definitely please point it out to me as much as you're able to while the rest of the read is still unexplained.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #135 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:01 pm
Postby nancy »
I'd argue that RQS quite obviously does serve a purpose given just this exchange. Information from the questions I put here alone I think is also potentially helpful for sorting alignment so if you disagree could you talk about why?
Don't understand how me having the idea to try out RQS from Regfan makes any difference in this game; agree that it doesn't matter but don't understand why that's your response if you think it doesn't.
@drealmer none of them were real, no. The wolfy pop-in in particular is very much a meme.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
Past: King of Diamonds
Up to now, you have been secure in a middle position. This could be about your work, or a social situation. You haven't been the best, but you have been comfortable in your niche.
Present: 5 of diamonds
You are experiencing change, and your former position has been disrupted. Maybe your footing in life suddenly isn't as solid as it had been before. You are you may be feeling a deprivation of something that you normally cling to for security.
Future: Jack of Spades
You will be drawn to rebellion, or perhaps drawn into an act of rebellion by someone else.
Warning: Jack of Hearts
Be wary of temptation and allure. What seems like love may be something else.
Spot on.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #149 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:33 pm
Postby nancy »
In post 138, Yetichain wrote:tend to need to reread and track particular players and how they've been acting over the game.
That just sounds like responsible townplay tbh.
In post 139, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:Personally, I feel like RQS is NAI and I really don't like the power dynamic it attempts to establish.
-V
The questions / answers themselves aren't really indicative of a lot immediately but the info is helpful to me at least + there's already been a fair bit of discussion around doing it that looks decently indicative to me and you've been voted for your response to it.
What power dynamics do you mean? Are you thinking like "answer this or I scumread you" or something else?
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #152 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:40 pm
Postby nancy »
Fwiw I was refusing to townread you in the morph game for playstyle even while being aware that it was probably just playstyle so I feel like I've at least worked through that part of your play to an extent.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
In post 166, Not Known 15 wrote:Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
Which questions? You're going to have to be more specific.
The "RQS" questions. I want to know why you selected them.
3 of them were questions I pulled from a game Regfan IC'd and I think they're really good questions to start the game with, I've been moving away from RVS personally and throw my vote around a lot less than I used to so I wanted to give it a try. Pretty satisfied with the results so far. Before talking with Reg about it all I knew RQS was garbage questions like "panckes or waffles?" that don't lead anywhere but I think the info from the questions here are definitely going to help me solve and I like the way it's moved the game so far. Pretty tired of people tunneling right out of RVS which has been a lot of my experiences there so this is a welcome change and absolutely fits the way I play now.
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RQS is not AI. Therefore I don’t care why she wanted to ask them.
So RQS is not AI therefore even my wanting to RQS is not AI? I can understand not being open to RQS but I don't understand how you're saying there's no particular motivation behind what I'm doing or how I've done it.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #179 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:40 am
Postby nancy »
Fwiw I'm hesitantly leaning scum on drealmer. Think the way he got a strong scumread on me and the way he came out with it doesn't make a lot of sense; very difficult to believe that he got that strong of a read from just me trollposting in pre-game and I don't think it's understandable of him to get an even stronger read there from my lack of response to the dayvig. Not quite sure how calling one of my early posts villagery fits in with that read and think if that's a real read (and his 132 kind of tells me it is) then it makes the scumread that much more difficult to understand.
Think the way he stated in 122 that he had a strong read that I was lying is somewhat awkward on a tonal level that's a little hard to describe but mostly has to do with the line of thought where he's stating a "strong read" on me with that language slipping into his sentence there instead of something that maybe displayed a little more depth of thought. Not a strong point by any means but think if he's scum here that post is telling in that he's not managed to fake the same kind of thought process he'd have as town and has ended up looking a little shallow on it.
Difficult to read too much more into it without hearing back from him re: the rest of his reasoning prior to the dayvig but mostly don't find the strength of that read or his expression of it so far to be very believable and I'm slightly puzzled by the way he's interacting with LUV in that he's asking a lot more busy-ish questions there which don't seem to have a huge amount of drive behind them which isn't something I very much expect from drealmer's towngame.
Probably around -10 on the slot so far I guess.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #204 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:36 pm
Postby nancy »
In post 186, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:I'm hesitant to go into liftoff and make any real judgment calls on anyone until we've got everyone present, accounted for, and playing. I feel as though the rather vocal amount of players we've got here right now are more likely town than not and that clever scum would just lurk out for awhile and allow bad blood to brew between the talkers, then swipe in when wagons begin, if that makes sense.
-V
Varsoon talk to me about how this is your stance here? Because I'm looking at this and seeing something that's very generic and easy and doesn't accomplish or actually state anything on the players here and isn't particularly relevant to this game either since unless you're seeing something I'm not there's none of the bad blood brewing that you're talking about. Unless you're holding townreads on all the active posters that you're not talking about I'm wondering why you're looking at the game and thinking that scum are probably not posting and you're fine with that and are going to do nothing until they show themselves? Also don't understand how mafia being clever plays into this or why you're assuming they are unless you have a clear idea of who you think mafia is without them even posting, acidphoenix being the only person I think could realistically fit that, and if you do have a clear idea then it doesn't make sense to make the post in the first place.
Find the mindset you've stated to be pretty unrealistic and struggle to believe that even if the premise of bad blood were true that you'd forego interacting with any of it and simply steer clear out of fear of mafia swooping in and taking advantage of the situation unawares; if you think that there's bad blood happening between people that are town here where do you think that's happening and why have you not done anything about it or commented on any of it if mafia manipulating that is a real threat? Only answer I'm seeing is that you don't want to in order to observe watchfully which if you're already aware of that as a threat I'm not sure why you're so hesitant to engage. Basically think that the stance you've taken in 186 is something that looks nice on the surface but is just a complete mess once you dig down into it and look at it on a level of "Varsoon actually having these thoughts"; if you could walk me through how this is working in your head that would be super helpful.
PS I don't think certain players not posting should prevent you from looking at the content of the players who have posted and working on your reads on that material; if you disagree with me there, I think you should be able to talk about how that content is affected by you not yet holding a read on an inactive player and why that means that you prefer to abstain?
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Post #206 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:30 pm
Postby nancy »
In post 205, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:He’s also approaching the game with the readings in a way that I don’t think most players in this player list would allow him to if they were his partner.
Don't think you know much about Porkens if you think that.
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Post #208 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:29 am
Postby nancy »
Fair enough though I don't think that covers the thoughts of "clever scum would just lurk" (me disagreeing with that aside) with no more than a vague idea of who that might be or why quieting the louder voices is going to facilitate the less active players in producing content. Can't recall any games where that's happened, can you? If your gamestate read involves clever scum lurking out the early game who do think fits that profile in this game? Because otherwise I don't understand where that thought's coming from. If you think it's advantageous for scum to lurk why wouldn't they continue to lurk if town wasn't being active? Think answering those extra question would definitely help me understand that stance from you if you've the indulgence in you.
My experience is that games are always going to have certain more vocal players and I'm not quite grasping why it's as easy as how you've portrayed it so, question: if there are mafia in the more vocal posters at what point do you start looking for that?
There's also a subpoint here that isn't alignment indicative but I think it's interesting which is that you seem to be assuming that town aren't going to be able to reliably recognize each other. Probably a fair assumption by MS standards.
My own view goes back to the little postscript, that it benefits town to have people talking as much as possible as long they're not swallowing the game because the more I'm able to have mafia post the more I'm able to find reasons why they're mafia and the more I'm able to have town post the more I'm able to find reasons why they're town and in the latter case once I've got a strong townread on someone I've got another voice I can trust about the game which can be pretty invaluable; as a platitude that's the more people I have the opportunity to reach that place with the earlier, the better off I think I'm going to be. Probably relevant that I never really expect to live more than a dayphase as town.
Very apparently happy to write you a novella any time at all. Before you know you'll be a bibliophile.
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Post #209 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:48 am
Postby nancy »
Actually I'd like to tack on another little thing here for you to come back with answer to in the next ~24 hours at your leisure, don't have to give an answer at the same time as you respond to the above, which is that if you had to kill exactly one player in the 4 low-content posters you mentioned and if they're town you die, who and why?
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #220 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:11 am
Postby nancy »
Re 212, thanks; still not really understanding why you'd take such a generalized stance without looking at the players in the game here but not sure that's something we're going to resolve.
Question remains of, if there are mafia in the more vocal posters at what point do you start looking for that? Like you're holding gamestate reads on most of the active posters as them being more likely to be town, presumably as the game continues they're going to continue to be the more vocal posters even once the others start picking up content more so how much content and interaction do you need with the low-content posters to feel like you have a full enough picture of the game?
You may not be self-aware enough to answer that one which is fine if that's the case, but I do think there's a fair bit of a question mark there in that you're waiting for something vaguely defined, reading the game according to something vaguely defined, not really sure what to do and want more content but don't seem to have a clear way of going about getting it.
Think we're probably holding pretty different philosophies about mafia here since having a full picture of the game isn't really something that's going to prevent me from forming opinions and I'm very much a rereader and a rerereader so updating and revising as I get more info is going to happen a lot. Am kind of under the assumption that my focus is always going to be limited and much of my effort during the game is dedicated to doing what I can with what I have and trying to get the fullest picture I can in the spot that I'm in; one of the best ways for me to do that is to ask a bunch of questions and put my thoughts out there for others to dig into and interact with people as much as possible. Not really the sit-back-and-watch type.
Follow-up question: if you had to kill exactly one player in the five of the more vocal posters and if they're town you die, who and why, and if you had to pick exactly one player in the same group to prevent from dying for the rest of the game and if they're mafia you die, who and why? And for the sake of the question you can't pick me.
Anyone else can answer that one too if they feel like it.
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Post #241 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:25 am
Postby nancy »
Interesting that you have two people out of the more likely to be town group that you want to kill. Also for some reason had the sense that you were townreading drealmer although looking back over your ISO I guess that was unfounded and not sure where that feeling came from.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post #245 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:51 am
Postby nancy »
In post 242, Jabarkas Mayonnaise wrote:It should come as no surprise that I'd choose Little Uzi, given that I've been leaning town on Porkens and Drealmerz before you asked the question.
He's who I expected you to pick, yeah. It's more the way it's answered, who you've included in that group and the reasoning given that's interesting to me + I think if you're trying to get content going little games like this are a decent way of achieving that since it's something anyone can engage with.
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