Micro 764: Marked For Death #2 - Game Over

[northsidegal]

hey all, sorry about being the last to confirm.

VOTE: mathdino

[northsidegal]

intent to hammer

[northsidegal]

well, haven't seen any convincing reason against this and i think the day has dragged on long enough.
VOTE: mathdino

well, were you scum?

[northsidegal]

yeah, i'm claiming double voter. mathdino is lynched.

do you think i made a mistake revealing things and hammering too early?

[northsidegal]

UNVOTE:

[northsidegal]

If your confused, we haven't.

his confused what?

VOTE: JaydragonKing
I really don't like post #9. Would a town player commit this idiocy?

what's idiotic about 9?

why were you about to hammer mathdino?

[northsidegal]

not really sure i buy the joking explanation.

VOTE: goldenparadox

[northsidegal]

not really sure i buy the joking explanation.

VOTE: goldenparadox

lol
if I was mafia, I would have quickhammered

rather than posting a laughable and obviously joking intent

not necessarily. perhaps you're partners with dino, or perhaps you're scum that just knows that the quickhammer would get you lynched instantly come tomorrow. your joke wasn't as obvious as you're saying it is – mine was, given that i was already voting dino. newbies are unpredictable and i haven't played with you before – i could easily belive that you were about to actually hammer.

[northsidegal]

math, what makes you think that the people on your wagon were seriously scumreading you? why is elsa obvious town?

[northsidegal]

@Elsa: I agree with Lynch All Liars except in the specific case of reaction test. The "hammer" on me and "I'm a double voter, were you scum?" is a cheeky move trying to get me to think I was lynched and, if I were scum, to claim scum. I buy it.

for the sake of clarity the real reaction test was in 23 – i didn't expect anyone to take the double vote seriously.

[northsidegal]

shawn, when you get a chance i'd like to hear why you scumread me.

[northsidegal]

@chesskid, what's your read on math?

[northsidegal]

shawn, when you get a chance i'd like to hear why you scumread me.

It’s a vibe

getting any vibes from anyone else? any good vibes on people?

[northsidegal]

Doesn't anyone think that chesskid is maf?

why do you think that?

[northsidegal]

@mod v/la until friday

reasons for voting nm seem mostly based on his playstyle, but i could actually see him as scum this game anyways

[northsidegal]

i'm here if you guys want to chat, can't really do any in-depth analysis at the moment though

[northsidegal]

What we got to talk about is the fact that you want to delay this hammer. Because of the mark of death, as mathdino said, notmafia's flip will help us sort people. You're looking increasingly scummy. Is it because you don't want to bus your scum partner?

how does not mafia's flip help you sort people? what kind of conclsuive associative information would you get from that, if he was either alignment?

[northsidegal]

ah, i hadn't realized that who was marked would be private information rather than public. it shouldn't change much, outside of lylo.

[northsidegal]

i think scum are probably within {shawn, gamma, schism}.

i'm also wondering if nm is telling the truth, although i think that he is. if so, i'll have to think a bit about what this means.

[northsidegal]

@mod can scum mark themselves?

[northsidegal]

even though nm was the primary candidate for being lynched today, scum chose to mark him. immediately this seemingly nonsensical action jumps out to me as something i was thinking about before, that if i was scum and i knew i was going to be lynched tomorrow, i'd mark myself. that way, the end result is probably the same as if you marked a townie and lynched scum (one scum dies, one town dies), but you don't "confirm" a townie's voice.

that idea is far-fetched, though, and doesn't make a lot of sense.

although, perhaps parts of it still make sense – if scum think that we're likely to mislynch today anyways, marking nm ends up with the same result as marking a townier player – nm dies, the townier player dies. the difference is that you don't "conftown" the one person's voice.

i think the one conclusion that i can most confidently draw is that people were off on their reads yesterday and scum are in a comfortable position in terms of townreads. there's no urgency from a nm mark. either scum are among the most widely townread players and marking someone else would bring suspicion as to why they weren't marked, or the towniest players are entirely off on their reads and scum want to keep them around.

[northsidegal]

another scenario – i'm putting too much thought into it, and it was a newbie move?

[northsidegal]

no, that theory doesn't make sense either – i've been in the christmas spirit far longer than you, and i wasn't marked.

[northsidegal]

Math, if Im scum, why did I mark the obvious lynch?

why does anyone mark not mafia, is a better question.

Loving it. But that seems to fly in the face of your scumteam suggestion. Or maybe it doesn't. Can you be more specific on:

"marking a townier player" - Like who?
"the most widely townread players" - Like who?
What possible ways are the towniest players completely off on their reads?

Sounds like you have 2 scenarios under your conclusion. From my perspective, here are the implications:
Scenario A: Scum are among the most widely townread players. This would implicate you, Gamma, and for a lot of other people, me.
Scenario B: The towniest players are entirely off on their reads. Given that I ended yesterday wanting to lynch NM and Schism, that would imply they're town, and that scum is in my townreads of {NSG, Gamma, Jay}.

PEdit: Will get to Schism's post. This post written as of 296.

yeah, both scenarios are pretty much what i was trying to describe. i'm going to go look at elsa's scumgame and try to get a feeling for how that comapares to this one.

[northsidegal]

look up newbie 1836, it's my only completed scumgame. if you want my take on it, i played incredibly awkwardly and blundered a plan that i had going into day two.

[northsidegal]

quick thought from rereading the game: i think schism is probably town. chesskid's replace out seems more town-motivated than scum motivated. like, if he were scum he probably wouldn't feel a huge motivation to read the thread and make really good contributions, he probably could've gotten by on just joking around like people had been doing or at least talking without really reading the thread too closely. the seeming obligation that he felt to make good contributions makes me feel good about schism being town.

Okay so who’s marked?

oh boy – was the marked claim some kind of gambit?

[northsidegal]

He was being strongly scumread at the time of replace-out. He could also have felt obligated to his scumteam to make an effort to participate in the game instead of fall to a lynch he couldn't defend against.

strongly scumread by whom, except for you? the point about him feeling obligated to make an effort as scum is valid, but the timing of it makes me think that wasn't the case. he really wasn't in any danger of getting lynched at the time, nor was there even a lot of pressure on him. it genuinely reads as someone who can't get a good feel for the thread and so chooses to replace out. i'm not confident enough in this to declare schism conftown, but i'm confident enough that i'd rather not lynch him until later in the game, if recalibrating is necessary.

[northsidegal]

by the way, i feel back in the groove when it comes to mafia

[northsidegal]

... Going under the assumption that NotMaf isn't just trolling us all again, let's assume nobody's marked.

That means Mafia decided it was too risky to mark ANYONE, and just wants it to be a lynch only game, atleast for now.

What does that change?

i sincerely doubt that nobody was marked. i'm pretty sure all that accomplishes for scum is to give town an extra mislynch. unless it was unintentional (ie scum missed submitting an action), that's not the case. i think it's more likely that if nm is lying, whoever was actually marked stayed quiet to see how things would play out, and to try to figure out of nm was town pulling a gambit.

[northsidegal]

Can I point out that Schism all day has insisted that there must be a counterclaim to NM, and has resisted the idea that NM was actually marked (until we finally got him to give us reads under that scenario)?

that might put weight into the idea that schism was the one who was actually marked and was just remaining quiet, but i doubt it from the way he approached nm's marked claim:

Yes, I'm marked

Someone CC this. Please. Why mark the obvious lynch for today?

If NM is Marked, JayElsa and Shawn are the Scumteam. JayElsa for sure and if for some reason I'm wrong on Shawn, its Gamma >> NSG. Outside of Wifom, I can't see you, me, or NSG making that Kill. Due to Paradox flipping town, I'm a good ML tomorrow if they can make it through the night. That leaves today for them to Lynch either NSG or Gamma and you can already see Shawn putting it out there. JayElsa has said that they would kill Dino, but you are also a good ML for switching wagons if I get lynched today. I don't think they can wagon you today. This also helps JayElsa, who was hesitent to vote NM.

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If Gamma/Shawn are Marked, things get difficult: Im actually a fan of NKA so its fun for me. I think the best kill for you as mafia to make would be one of the lurkers since they haven't provided reads and are off the radar. Its quite possible Gamma/Shawn aren't giving this game attention and just picked a kill of someone that has been quiet and wants to lurk in the shadows while JayElsa, you, I and possibly NSG duke it out. In fact the NSG vote is worse when you think about it this way if Gamma is marked.

We would also have to think about why NM claimed marked, it would be a scumclaim if it wasn't a troll doing so. Paradox was lynched incorrectly and I think today is the best day to bag NM if he isn't marked. If we mislynch anyone but NM today we leave the wifom open in lylo, and Id feel more confident not seeing NM in Lylo.

So if Gamma/Shawn are marked, I would say the mafia are Gamma/Shawn + You/NM. Excluding the Marked, JayElsa would be my Top Townread, probably North 2nd. I would vote NM in this case to keep him out of lylo since I would believe that Gamma/Shawn are confirmed Scum.

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{schism}
{mathdino, elsa, nm}
{shawn, gamma}

[northsidegal]

Thats against wincon, right?

not necessarily. it's a perfectly viable tactic for scum to nokill in order to make the game mylo instead of lylo or just to deny town nightkill info, or even to pull some kind of gambit.

No one else is claiming marked so mafia did us a favor. We can ignore NM and get scum. JayElsa, Shawn, and I should be on the table, because unless NSG is actually scum, which i dont see it being, its optimal for town.

My Townflip Makes it Shawn + Dino/Elsa.
JayElsa Scum Makes it Shawn/Gamma
Shawn Scum Makes it JayElsa.

i don't like you approaching this from the perspsective of yourself getting lynched. let's say that we don't lynch you this game – are you saying you think it's shawn / [dino/elsa]?

[northsidegal]

am i invisible

is no one reading these posts

am i dead already O_O

i had typed up 379 before you claimed.

[northsidegal]

by the way, math, if you're lying again i'm deathtunneling you tomorrow. you have one post to retract if you're gambiting.

[northsidegal]

I lynched Paradox and now that Dino is claiming marked, Im just waiting for this now.

In fact, Shawn is off the table today since I dont think I can persudade him, but the other member of the scumteam also wanted to mark Dino as well.

erm, what exactly are you saying here?

[northsidegal]

I think you think he town based on mafia knowing he's lying, but I'm personally thinking it would mean he's wanting NM discredited since he knows it's not true. His plan would be real mark claims -> NM is discredited -> NM is lynched. So NM would be town and Schism would be scum.

this is a good theory, but i think scum would just wait until either the next day where the gambit would be revealed or until the real marked claimed to push nm. there's no need for scum to try to be the ones who get the gambit revealed – it might put them in a suspicious light, ie "how did they know that nm was lying"? schism's reaction seems pretty townie to me.

[northsidegal]

Its very hard to get a wagon of Shawn without Dino, whos going to deathtunnel me because of my mislynch of paradox IMO. The case for JayElsa scum is better.

i'm talking about the second part, the "other member of the scumteam". what does it tell you that both members of the scumteam chose dino?

[northsidegal]

for what it's worth i think gamma is probably scum too. more to say later, when i have more time.

[northsidegal]

by the way, this:

Learn how to read people whose playstyles you don't like rather than just complaining

I've said scum is Gamma + Schism/Shawn

Pure PoE to be honest, no one is leaping out to me as scum this game, which also points to the more low activity/low impact players, I can't recall a single thing Gamma has said or done despite his activity being decent iirc

Pire self preservation, I know I'm town, I could have been wrong about him, unfortunately I wasn't

is why i think nm is town.

[northsidegal]

This game:
2 obv alts on low activity

by the way, who's the second obv alt?

[northsidegal]

newbies sometime also have account activation issues.

why are you townreading gamma?

[northsidegal]

Shamelessly tunneled/pushed TGP to everyone while townreading NM, then jumped over to the NM wagon when he felt he caught NM in a lie. Didn't switch back. Was completely site-inactive during the lynch and entire nightphase.

you'll have to explain to me where the "townread" part of this comes in.

I mean I remember them both posting in the alt activation thread.

the "alt" activation thread or the account activation / "can't post?" thread? like i said, i'm certain that newbies have had account activation / not being able to post problems before. it actually matters whether or not shawn is an alt or not – up until now i've been assuming he's a newbie.

[northsidegal]

can't post, ty

There you go. Plus he seems to have some basic understanding of Not_Mafia's meta so...

like i said, i've seen newbies have to post there before, but there's not much point in continuing this further:

shawn, are you an alt?

The townread on Gamma basically comes from not really seeing the scum motivation behind his actions. Openly trying to redirect everyone to TGP didn't feel like a scum agenda either. Sell me on why he's not town?

that seems strange to say given that we now know tgp was town. basically, i think that anyone who has played with not mafia before would probably make the same points that gamma did, regardless of whether they were scum or town – it would look too disingenuous to push as scum, at least initially. the main point against him is that he just hasn't done much scumhunting this game – i understand that he's been v/la, but a lot of the time he's spent in-thread that he has had doesn't look good. plus, his theory about schism being scum in relation to the nm mark seems disingenuous to me.

i'm in a bit of a position that's hard to describe, because i was spectating a game that he was just in where he was town and his play there and here are totally different. compare his posts here from december 18th and 19th:

Spoiler:

wavemode

CommKnight

Gamma Emerald

havingfitz

humaneatingmonkey

rb

jzhenson93
MawhrinSkel

JunkoChan

mozamis

Hongzi

TwoInAMillion

Almost50

VOTE: Almost50

Reasons, anything?

Can I

see

them?

Please do.

So the votes that matter from jz's ISO. rb and Gamma. Most likely town for those two. But TIAM and Junko could be possible busses since the first was in joke stage and Junko was final vote before sending in a kill, probably hoping to get people off of Junko somehow?

Either way, 1 down, 3 to go.

This makes sense.

Scum has no chat.

We need to lynch Gamma. I agree that day timers are irrelevant at this point and that we should take time for reads. But we need to lynch Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Interesting how you are so adamant about voting me.

How am I scum if gamma is town?

yeah this guy probably is scum.
He's too worried about whether people will scum read him or not, he's not looking FOR scum.

Good point, if he's scum he knows I'm town and as such is scared of that associative.

A50 is definitely scum. But we should lynch Gamma first to be sure.

You keep saying these things with no backing. Mind explaining yourself?

Look at how you deduced that how Gamma was the kill and then you'll scratch your head as well.

How about the fact multiple people have said "mason or mafia" wrt my not having been lynched. The mafia know I'm not them so they're left to conclude I'm a mason. As such they'll be inclined to shoot me.

Case against Gamma

1) Kicks off with rolefishing:

In other news I think it may not be the worst thing for someone to fakeclaim mason as VT.

2)

That's it. I'm never gonna vote fitz ever in this game.

Why?

Almost had already explain this. A made up question.

Then proceeds to Tr everyone on his wagon. Cant see town doing this.
Just dont see any real scumhuntign from him at all.

How is number 1 rolefishing?
Also I'll need to look over the entire situation but I think I might vote wavemode. FYI my reads at this point are something like
Myself
Almost50 (early defense of me day 2 points to being town), mozamis (logic makes sense FOR THE MOST PART)
JunkoChan (pushed by jz), Hongzi (voting patterns suggest he's not aligned with jz)
CommKnight (seems to be trying to help town. I believe their flip could be informative either way though), rb (attitude seems towny), fitz (Thinking for themselves)
MawhrinSkel (not much to go on yet)
HEM (Has been adamant about lynching me, though probably not mafia with TIAM)
TIAM (seemed to be afraid of me flipping town implicating them), wavemode (reads are all over the place and may be BS)
PEdit: with Skel's last post I'd say they're at about the same level as HEM due to his read looking very out of date.

While I don't see where wavemode said their first readslist was bad I still feel they are not explainng nearly as much as they should, and I also feel his calling Hongzi's points against him was wrong, as Hongzi's points were true.
VOTE: wavemode

L-2 fyi

The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You don't get a reprieve just because scum flipped.You're still responsible for explaining yourself.

Mmmm, nah fam. Pretty sure only scum throw out nonsense reads to save their own skin. I'm not going to magically conjure up a reads list worth dick because you keep shouting at me to. I'll evaluate the game over time and figure out who really is scum

You already gave a worthless read list lmao that's why you're scumread

The specifics never came. Not many specifics on anything, either.

Conveniently leaving out the part where between that readslist and the point when I'd have time to write a (frankly, pointless imo) wallpost about it to satisfy Gamma, a scum flipped and the reads became invalid anyway

You don't get a reprieve just because scum flipped.You're still responsible for explaining yourself.

that's dumb

and you're both town

stop it

It's not dumb it's accountability

Well I'm fairly sure Monkey is town at this point

VOTE: MawhrinSkel

Why this rather than almost50? Weren't you calling him scum before?

What about JC and hong?

with his ones in this thread:

Spoiler:

I don't think he's in the room yet.

Hm, maybe I can see if NM is going through the motions here? That's how I try to read him.

I could see some NM interactions with as distancing. Specifically "you're own your own on this one mate".

Nothing wrong with it; just no reason to randomly post a post that shows a children's movie character swearing. Disorienting, I don't think it was funny, and it certainly distracted us. That might have been what she wanted to do to distract us and get the attention off of her.

You're on your own on this one mate

Really?

VOTE: Not_Mafia gottem

I have a sense of humor too. On the hammer I'm good, but I suggest we let everyone state their piece first

Remember the kill isn't standard this game

[northsidegal]

am i voting there, by the way?
VOTE: gamma

[northsidegal]

i did!

thoughts on gamma and 455?

[northsidegal]

Shawn is more scummy. While you may have a point with activity differences, I'm going to place that on V/LA more than meta imo.

Would you compromise JayElsa or even Shawn?

I don't think Shawn and Gamma are the scumteam, whos the partner?

but what explains the activity difference between the two threads on the same days? elsa and shawn are both part of my lynchpool but i'd really rather lynch gamma today – an elsa or shawn townflip doesn't really tell me anything and then tomorrow it's lylo (i think?), but a gamma townflip would tell me that i'm definitely off on my reads and i need to reconsider.

why don't you think shawn and gamma could be teamed?

[northsidegal]

@mathdino, i know i've said this before and maybe i'm confbiasing myself at this point, but schism's reaction seems townie to me. i don't see mafia taking the position of skepticism that schism did unless other people were doing so, but that wasn't the case – everyone else seemed to be operating under the assumption that nm wasn't lying except for schism. also, a lot of posts like 337 seem really genuine to me, the bolded parts especially:

If Gamma/Shawn are Marked, things get difficult:

Im actually a fan of NKA so its fun for me.

I think the best kill for you as mafia to make would be one of the lurkers since they haven't provided reads and are off the radar. Its quite possible Gamma/Shawn aren't giving this game attention and just picked a kill of someone that has been quiet and wants to lurk in the shadows while JayElsa, you, I and possibly NSG duke it out. In fact the NSG vote is worse when you think about it this way if Gamma is marked.

We would also have to think about why NM claimed marked, it would be a scumclaim if it wasn't a troll doing so. Paradox was lynched incorrectly and I think today is the best day to bag NM if he isn't marked. If we mislynch anyone but NM today we leave the wifom open in lylo, and Id feel more confident not seeing NM in Lylo.

So if Gamma/Shawn are marked, I would say the mafia are Gamma/Shawn + You/NM. Excluding the Marked, JayElsa would be my Top Townread, probably North 2nd. I would vote NM in this case to keep him out of lylo since I would believe that Gamma/Shawn are confirmed Scum.

shawn didn't really say anything, so there's not a lot to be gleamed there – i'd still say he's part of the lynchpool, if only from poe.

gamma's rationale in in 352 seems believable on a surface level but i feel like it's missing a level of nuance. even further, i feel like his read on schism could have been an attempt to appeal to the marked player – math had made it clear that he scumreads schism and wanted him lynched, gamma could have been attempting to push a mislynch there with the support of the conftown. notice that his first mention of schism in the game (i think) is a scumread at the start of today:

I'm finding Schism very suspicious because they seem to have a very prominent agenda.

i'm wondering if it might have been a plan thought up over the night, although at this point i recognize that i'm constructing narratives.

[northsidegal]

Id find it ironic that borh lurkers are sitting back watching chaos unfold. I also find it highly unlikely. #GamblersFallacy?

i've been in a game before where scum were doing this and the game stagnated a ton. it'd be a pretty quick read through, actually, if you're interested – micro 747 in my egosearch.

In regards to differences in posting, Id argue that Gamma had more to work with in that game on page 12 than this game which was low on content and had a replace-out. Its a better question for him to answer rather than me speculate. Hopefully he can get on here soon and do something. Talk to me after he gets on.

this is entirely fair, although i still think the other game shows more inquisitiveness and effort at gamesolving than this one. i'd like to hear gamma's own take on this.

In Regards to Dino: wtf, you never claimed marked until #377 and i didnt expect you to lie/reactiontest throughout the day. 374 also mentions that Mafia did us a favor by marking the troll. I still dont expect a No-Mark, despite NSG saying it could work.

just to clarify, 379 was talking about games in general, which i should have clarified. i'm not sure if no-marking would be any sort of benefit to scum in this setup, and i highly doubt that scum would ever do it.

@NSG: Dino brought it up, and Im sure I mentioned it before, but Gamma’s read on me for being “loud” is shitty, btw

agreeing, here.

[northsidegal]

Just wait until I pull out my bullshit double voting powers

i'm already the doublevoter, remember? nice scumclaim.

on a serious note, i'll respond to gamma's catchup in a bit. also awaiting what shawn has to say.

[northsidegal]

Congratulations, Spencer, your about to pull a fricken Paradox .

what do you mean by this?

[northsidegal]

to say what i was thinking when i asked 536, 531 gives me the impression that elsa already knows how shawn is going to flip. anyone else get that feeling?

[northsidegal]

Official Vote Count

Shawn Spencer

(lynch): Gamma Emerald, Schism, JaydragonKing, Not_Mafia

Gamma Emerald

(1): northsidegal

Not Voting

(2): Shawn Spencer, Mathdino

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

given the flips and the fact that i know that i'm town, both scum were on the shawn wagon. here's where i'm at:

{not mafia}
{schism, elsa}
{gamma}

i need to review day to to really see how the shawn counterwagon formed in response to gamma and who was pushing it the most to try to figure out who gamma's partner is, but gamma is almost certainly scum here.

[northsidegal]

day two, that is.

[northsidegal]

gut tells me it's shawn/gamma, based on comments like these:

I don't have intentions to hammer Gamma at this point, as I feel a Shawn lynch is better. JayElsa and Shawn are both off the current wagons and I feel they will hammer before I feel like doing so. I have no further responses.

Your worried about me hammering? The one who literally stalled the hammer day one to the point where we hung a different guy altogether?

I don't care if Gamma gets lynched. I know you aren't voting shawn and Gamma's lynch does nothing for my feelings of you or Shawn (the reverse of NSG's feelings of Gamma's Lynch, but a Scumlynch of Gamma could lead to a change in my Reads, but I find that happening less than you or Shawn flipping red).

that's obviously a very preliminary read, however.

[northsidegal]

schism, i need to know where you're at in terms of reads. same goes for gamma and elsa, in your next posts.

[northsidegal]

nice wifom. we only have two lynches left anyways, assuming we hit correctly today.

[northsidegal]

that would make more sense. still a kind of weird thing to do, though.

[northsidegal]

But now I can't think of you as a douchebag because you got a cute anime girl Avatar. You found my weakness.

eh, i felt like the old avatar matched more up with schism's personality. or maybe it was the avatar myself that shaped my view of the personality, who knows.

real content soon.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

but nm, miltank was already a cute anime girl avatar - you didn't need to change it.

[northsidegal]

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[northsidegal]

i was waiting for the first person to treat me as if i want conftown as a towntell, but i'm not sure it ever happened.

[northsidegal]

wasn't conftown, that is.

[northsidegal]

Schism is basically confscum for 675

agreed

[northsidegal]

unvote, please. yes, i'm marked. don't have a lot of time to talk now.

[northsidegal]

we just lost i assume?

[northsidegal]

you

[northsidegal]

can someone stop twilight trolling and just tell me that i lost already so i can start being bitter?

agreeing with nm + schism as scum.

[northsidegal]

i'm only a little bitter.

[northsidegal]

well, good game all. not entirely sure what i should've done differently. i suppose this has been a lesson in reading nm's playstyle better.

[northsidegal]

i'm not actually bitter about this game, nor do i think anyone deserves sole blame for the outcome. it's just something to learn from and look back on, for future games.

[northsidegal]

i was waiting to see who would push me or treat me like i want conftown. you had a big back and forth with gamma but didn't seem to be looking into me.

[northsidegal]

wasn't*

[northsidegal]

i was waiting for the first person to treat me as if i wasn't conftown as a towntell, but i'm not sure it ever happened.

[northsidegal]

I guess that's fair but I probably would have played more direct

if i directly claimed marked and cased things out more rather than hanging back for the time being like i did, i probably would have ended up going with you as the lynch anyways. i'd like to believe that after seeing schism ignore me a ton during that last day i would have gone with him after revealing the gambit, but there's no way to say what would have happened.

[northsidegal]

you should play more newbies, elsa. i'd sign up for one with you, but the se queue is too long.

[northsidegal]

Honestly? The one newbie I had was enough for me. Too simple, and now with 4 completed games under my name, I'd have to be an SE as well.

Elsa Jay now goes for extravagant and stupid games. And one Normal/Open at a time along with those. So maybe one time in the future I may SE or even IC a newbie, but I probably should not be trusted to ever teach the future generation my less then optimal strategies.

there's a new setup, actually. and you're still considered a newbie until you've finished 3 newbie games specifically i'm fairly certain, so you could still join as a newbie.