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In post 136, Kublai Khan wrote:"It's not mafia!" is not a good argument given that I can likely search up and find plenty of games that have done a mass claim Day 1.
ive played in like 150 games and none of them did it
the good argument is that its crap. Its a closed setup and you dont know how scum benefit or not from knowing who is what. And its also against the spirit of the game.
It's certainly not against the "spirit of the game". The spirit of the game is to play towards win condition. If mass claiming helps that, then not mass claiming goes against the spirit of the game.
I'm town and if we assume that UC Voyager is town, then two non-vanilla roles have been outed, giving scum beneficial targets. So, does your argument still hold up?
This logic is flawed.
1) From a neutral point of view, it's not clear why you or UCV are town, let alone that you are not vanilla.
I mean. From a neutral point of view he's a mod confirmed desperado IC.
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Post #149 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:27 am
Postby Radical Rat »
Well, the idea is that by claiming now, scum doesn't get a chance to lie later. We can't find scum immediately based on a claim, but if they get caught claiming or performing an action that contradicts this one, that's a pretty good indicator we wouldn't have without a massclaim.
And the telling scum who to kill argument is only valid if scum actually does have a way to kill people, which we have no reason to assume yet. But even if they do, Khan and Voyager have already claimed, so we're very likely to lose a PR either way.
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Post #151 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:31 am
Postby Radical Rat »
Though one thing I find interesting is that you only explicitly opposed this after NSG mentioned voting the refusals, which makes it seem as though you're not completely opposed to massclaiming itself. Is that correct?
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Post #153 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:33 am
Postby Radical Rat »
In post 150, garaputo wrote:If you are prepared to believe that the scum have no way to kill people, why don't we just forget the game thread and go play a nice game of bridge?
I believe scum's method of killing is mislynching through lies and deceit. Though the only other nightless games I've played have been popcorn, I'm not aware of any where scum still gets their factional kill. Kinda defeats the purpose of nightlessness doesn't it?
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Post #197 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:56 pm
Postby Radical Rat »
I propose we just get the massclaim going while we still have time, and shoot the first person to refuse.
Either we get claims or we get flips, either helps me with reads.
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Post #238 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:39 pm
Postby Radical Rat »
Actually, now that I think about it, with it being nightless we just go straight to day 2 after a flip if it does end the day, right? So it probably doesn't make much difference.
I think you should just shoot someone now and treat it like a daycop. Whatever happens, we can use it to get proper discussion going instead of being stuck on massclaim until deadline.
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Post #272 (isolation #19) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:49 pm
Postby Radical Rat »
In post 268, Wisdom wrote:if you want an actual tip; look at people who are trying to go with your flow rather than trying to antagonize you i.e sucking up to you. Ku, northsidegal, rat, any of these is a good shot
Scummy post.
Khan's an IC, which means he's the only player in the game right now that's 100% trustworthy. Going with his flow as you put it is a natural reaction for Town to have.
Not to say that automatically makes everyone who agrees with him Town nor that everyone who doesn't is scum, but I do believe it to be far more likely scum would be arguing against him, or trying to sell him as incompetent.
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In post 405, northsidegal wrote:i don't really have anything against rat other than "he hasn't done much". the exact same could be said about ucv, along with the setup spec.
It worked pretty well as the argument for AFM.
You're right, and I'm sorry
I don't really have a good excuse, I just have been having shockingly little thoughts about this game.
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Post #412 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:43 pm
Postby Radical Rat »
In post 393, BuJaber wrote:Ideally I see this lynch being between Rat and UCV. After his latest post Rat is winning the who's scummier game, but let's see how he responds to nsg.
Rat knows that at the very least there's one person (me) scumreading/pushing for his lynch and his only post of late is to throw suspicion at UCV and declare willingness to lynch wisdom? The 2 people who if anyone paying attention to the game would conclude are the other possible lynches today. That comes off as very self-serving.
That's because I don't really know how to address the points against me, so I'm just kinda hoping the truth comes out as the game progresses.
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