Micro 773: Twin Trap - Game Over

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I swear on my secret love for Ether that I am town in this game.

Anyone who votes us from now on is scumclaiming 100% of the time.

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You just don't believe in the power of true love.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

lockscum

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why do I do this to myself every time?
I know the way it ends before it's even begun
I am the only one at the finish line
ooh

pretty sure this is not how our last game ended

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Hello

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VOTE: GL

This is a gutread. we'll see.

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If you don't lock me as town in your next post we're not friends anymore.

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torn up please someone might think that the hydras got mixed up

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Actually you are precisely AtEing. Whether you're doing so directly or indirectly does not change the fact that you are attempting to towntell by wearing your emotions, real or faked, on your sleeve. Given how badly you reacted to Kaede Akamatsu getting upset in Magical Girls, especially when she was clearly legitimately upset to the point that she claimed to be given her replacement, you should either show a little bit more self control or start accepting that emotional displays are part of the game.

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torn up please someone might think that the hydras got mixed up

I don't sign up to games to be quicklynched by idiots

-tor

This is straight up AtE and you can't suggest otherwise.

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I can't say I have any higher of an opinion of games on MU. Everyone's shit at mafia, just in different ways.

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alright that's enough from you

VOTE: Torn Up

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If MS is so bad you're welcome to leave it.

I for one don't think systematically ignoring and lynching everyone who isn't enough of a member of the in crowd doesn't beget a good mafia experience, but y'know.
Or that lynching the playerlist in order of whoever has the least posts to highest is actually playing mafia.

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I am either RadiantCowbells or Northsidegal. Do you think that I'm northsidegal?

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And sorry but you're creating a pretty unpleasant game experience and I'd rather we just move on to D2 regardless of your alignment.

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I mean: I haven't been in most of your games. I just know that when you played scum versus me you fell down exactly the rabbit hole that I wanted you to.
I'm self aware enough not to judge anyone's town game too hard based on their performance versus me in particular but you'll forgive me if I don't personally have a super high view of your play.

won't forgive your little spat with merymainbtw either

That was 0% my fault and 100% Zarathustra being a flagrant asshole. Do you seriously think that that was my fault?

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Played town versus me.

Well I didn't expect that lolhammer but given that you just blamed me for Zarathustra instigating shit with me you can go fuck yourself mate.

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VOTE: RC

I could see you thinking I'd lolhammer.

Oh, my bad I misread this as a quickhammer.
Given that Tor at one point was claiming to think he was at L-1 and I played through it like I thought I was hammering, I would think my intentions were clear to a third party.

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I don't give a fuck about her shit experience her hydra partner was repeatedly antagonizing me, continuing after the mod publicly warned people to stop being toxic because of his behaviour.
Her playing with a shitty human being isn't my problem. Don't blame me because you have friends who are shitty people.

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And sorry but you're creating a pretty unpleasant game experience and I'd rather we just move on to D2 regardless of your alignment.

And yes: I knew I wasn't hammering here I just wanted to see how you'd react to it.

UNVOTE:

But there's a fairly good chance that I just end up policy lynching that slot for the mercymain comment.

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If you're going to push the rationale that I actually believed I was quickhammering then I will have both an alignment and a personal reason to lynch you.

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Okay, sure, let's just lynch this.

VOTE: Torn Up

He's either scum pretending to be dense or he actually is this dense and either way he can go. I think it's super obvious that I was reaction testing him if he's actually trying to look for my motivations.

aren't you personal with me every game? when did you not try lynching me, RC? isn't that your dream scenario, to lynch me when you're actually scum? lol.

No? I rarely treat mafia personally, I only pretend to when I think it serves strategic motives. But you going off of me because one of your friends was shit to me is fucked.

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No, I wanted you to townread my teammates if I did end up flipping which you did. I had no personal stance on whether I got lynched or not though I was certainly not trying to.

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I wasn't able to play the last game on MU I signed up for because Zara was indefinitely saying shit about me and the mod team ended up protecting him.
But apparently since that's my fault, this is your fault that you are getting quicklynched. Maybe you should get better friends!

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I was salty that I was being bussed? I'm the one who encouraged Keychain to vote me in the first place. I'm the one who suggested to Math that she push on me D1.

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If the fact that 3 out of the first 4 voters were my teammates doesn't signal to you that my goal wasn't to evade being lynched then I don't know what would.

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read zarathustra (mercymainbtw) ISO in this game. They were harassing me constantly and Toranaga just brought it up here as if he's upset at me that zara's partner had a bad experience. that's horrible and frankly I would ask him to replace out of this game and never talk to me again if it weren't for KMD's stance on replacing, so I've instead chosen to policy lynch him.

Sorry that you hydraed with him I guess.

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And I did for the record get a message from the mod staff saying that they agreed that Zara's behaviour was way over the line: but they also blamed me for failing to report it (which I did) or contact the game mod (which I did). So it's not just me claiming that I had the moral high ground here, the staff on the site did as well. But MU doesn't punish people that are high up in the social hierarchy.

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If Zara can call people he dislikes [super derisive term for black people] and not get banned I'm assuming he's got a friend somewhere on the mod team.

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And sorry but you're creating a pretty unpleasant game experience and I'd rather we just move on to D2 regardless of your alignment.

And to be 100% clear I was just looking for a reason here to pretend to hammer.

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I wasn't able to play the last game on MU I signed up for because Zara was indefinitely saying shit about me and the mod team ended up protecting him.
But apparently since that's my fault, this is your fault that you are getting quicklynched. Maybe you should get better friends!

you show your true colours constantly dude.

-tor

I didn't remove my vote because I don't intend to.

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I don't know what alignment you are right now so I don't know if you genuinely believe that I'm scum who feels the need to pursue some sort of vendetta to lynch you.
But when you do end up knowing I'm town leave me the fuck alone.

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You said sorry and then you followed it up by but I'm right so that made it seem to me like you didn't feel that you had done anything wrong.
I apologize for the personal nature of the vote but I couldn't think of anything else to vote you for and I would have accepted a great deal of retaliation but not for you to blame me for a game where I was clearly the victim.

I'll unvote you but I want you to actually read the game that you called me out for and think about what you should say back to Zara's partner when she tells you that I ruined the game for her, because she personally instigated shit with me with no provocation on my end ignoring what her hydra partner did the entire game.

UNVOTE:

did anyone notice RC didn't even prod me to hardclaim after putting me on L-1

Why would I have prodded you to hardclaim when the point of the vote was to see if you believed that you were hammered?
We're talking two votes here, one that was a short term reaction test that I unvoted and one where I don't actually care about your claim.

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Call it a personal favor or something: you called me out for creating a toxic environment in that game. I would like you to read the game in question.
Does it not matter to you whether or not you have a fair perspective on something that you obviously feel strongly about?

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And yes I did say that you created a toxic environment but I've repeatedly said that I only said it because I was searching for a reason to attempt to hammer.
And I would be willing to be on the receiving end of a lot of abuse for that but not being blamed for an incident in which I was objectively the victim.

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Because I thought the reaction would be telling as to your alignment.

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Also because I thought it would be funny, but mostly for alignment indicative reasons.

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Unfortunately the reaction did not end up being at all funny.

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I'm not scum and I am in no mood to be interrogated right now, sorry.

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What do you believe the alternative is? That I actually thought I was hammering and that I didn't check? Or that I faked a hammer for some other reason?

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I didn't think anyone would quickhammer you and I wasn't intending to leave my vote on you for that long.
As for faking quickhammers and having better ways of doing things, well yes I have better ways of reading your slot and that's called largely ignoring Toranaga because I know how to read you

but at the same time I don't like leaving stones unturned and when there's an opportunity like that one where someone thinks they're getting hammered (supposedly) then I would almost always take it.

Do you actually personally think that I'm scum or are you trying to follow up on Toranaga's scumread of me?

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Like I'm not looking for him to scumclaim, I don't believe in that kind of play happening more than once in a blue moon, I just think whatever reaction he gives will be useful.

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My read right now is that I'm not in the right emotional state to try to read anything that you've said for alignment.

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I tentatively think that Mumble and Torn Up are town

I was thinking N_M was town based on his opener but it's not enough to commit to

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Hopkirk might also be town, so if I'm right about all of those the game is already PoEd to 4 on day 1. although I actually think NM is less town than hopkirk

Ethos has nothing
Still have bad gut feels about GL
Not a fan of Chara but still relatively null
flubber's kind of garbage so far but not sure if he's scum garbage

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wow you have amazing reads i'm impressed have you been working out at the mafia gym?

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Not_Mafia correct me if I'm wrong but I vaguely remember there having been a game where you literally just sheeped me all game when you were scum

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I don't think it's specifically scummy if that's what you're saying. And there's enough else that I like.

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right hand of god
first in command
my testimony
when I take the stand

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I dunno, I liked his progression. I'm not the best at putting reads like this into words.

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Okay, so let me teach you something about psychology

When I have the original gut feeling about the alignment, it's reasonably effective, it's based off of the actual game content, and it has a certain purity.

When I try to put things into words and create a case, in some sense that case BECOMES my read. Like I'm trying to put my feelings into words at the first part then tiny mismatches between the words I use and the reality of the thing create a new mental picture where my case is now the actual read I have on someone.

I do not want to try to force feelings into words right now. When I'm ready to push someone you'll get a case, when I'm more solidified in my reads I'll start clarifying them, but for now I want to chill.

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And that's not just me, that's something universally applicable.

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Please don't be voting Mumble

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torn up / RC is t/s I think

also toranga is being really annoying this game. Leaving my vote on torn up for now because I don't like the way toranga was handling vote pressure

at all.

Who do you think is town and who do you think is scum? Just want some clarity.

~ C

That makes it pretty clear that he thinks that you're the scum, no?

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Do you remember the percy debacle when you didn't trust my trs

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did you mean to say clemency?

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Lol no I mean Awoo, I SR that hard but everyone said town and we didn't lynch it until Day 3. It's the same mistake Awoo made as scum that I'm seeing here.

~ C

I THOUGHT AWOO WAS SCUM SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING OMG

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We've been town for 3 scum lynches together on this site, two of them I decided to sheep god empress cheeky on, and you cited the one where I was after him before you were.

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Don't think that Mumble is scum. Pls cheeky

Mumble not voting me looks bad, are you afraid the OMGUS will be too obvious?

~ C

OMG U STOP IT IMMEDIATELY

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okay u may have scumread him early, I'm not reading again, but I scumread him the moment i replaced in and was the one who led on him so drink tea

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cheeky if I flatter you enough will you write me off as town

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You had me as nulltown yes but maybe we can do better

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VOTE: Torn Up

Mumble don't make me throw hands I'm locktown remember sheep your locktown friend pls

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Mumble if I tell you I love you will you unvote Torn Up regardless of their failure to answer simple questions?

Fmpov this is textbook TvT conflict

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I love you, Mumble.

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Torn Up, I'm surprised you don't have more of a problem with eth0s.

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I mean. I think yours was objectively the scummiest push onto them regardless of whether you're scum or not.

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Because when I first read it I thought Hopkirk

actually

quickhammered you. I saw the vote as being for you as opposed to being for me when I first read it.

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Please don't have anyone, Ethos included, on L-1 this early

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I want to say for the record I know there's a game where N_M was scum and came in with a half decent opener then literally just sheeped me the whole game and this is starting to feel like a repetition of that game

If Ethos is scum we can still lynch him later, I'm very worried about Chara being scum rn

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I can't remember the game. I'm pretty sure you lost

wait I think I do know as of you asking the question

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70391

there we go

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My memory of that game was very different from the reality of that game

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I mean for the record I did scumread him in that game

just was derptunneling stormcloud for some reason

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and yeah I remembered that game as being way different than the game actually was for some reason

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I tentatively think that Mumble and Torn Up are town

I was thinking N_M was town based on his opener but it's not enough to commit to

Hopkirk might also be town, so if I'm right about all of those the game is already PoEd to 4 on day 1. although I actually think NM is less town than hopkirk

Ethos has nothing
Still have bad gut feels about GL
Not a fan of Chara but still relatively null
flubber's kind of garbage so far but not sure if he's scum garbage

These are my reads also

this may or may not have triggered me okay

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They feel really pure to me

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hello yes i'm here and i definitely for sure have reads

Spoiler:

i don't have any reads yet

sorry, been busy as of recent, i should be able to actually get into the game soon

-nsg

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fuck off guys what did I say about l-1ing people

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I wanted a chance to play the game. I am always the nightkill. You all rushed a lynch before my hydra partner could play the game at all and before I could have a coherent readslist.

Thanks for that.

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my emotions are perfectly fine

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quicklynch chara tomorrow when I'm dead.

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if anyone ever votes mumble quicklynch them

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unvoting isn't scummy dude

anyway I need to reevaluate this clearly

you'll have time

welcome to MS I'm the obligatory n1 kill 100% of the time

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If you insist

VOTE: eth0s

stop fucking doing this
scum will almost never pull shit like I was doing unless they want to be hammered. people know better than to think people won't hammer them for it.
people act on ego and frustration before they act on reason and people who aren't genuinely pissed off know that.

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don't tell me how to feel

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VOTE: Chara

this is scum.

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and the answer to why RC won't be nightkilled can be found above. :>

thought I was scum but all of a sudden I'm not being nightkilled because I"m town with bad reads? okay.

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how is this anyone else's fault but eth0s RC

your emotions are really off right now

-tor

you quoted your emotions are really off right now.

presuming that makes me scum, no?

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cheeky if I die ignore tor and keep placing your vote on chara please

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I really hope you guys are actually scum then.

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Your hydra partner is jumping me because he doesn't like my frustration with a d1 quicklynch that I specifically warned everyone to make sure didn't happen, you're repeatedly trying to lynch my top townread and being sneaky about it with the 'omg can we flip them!' bit, and neither of you are at all willing to consider Chara who has basically scumclaimed with several of itsresponses.

So yes, I hope that you are scum and other people are town to push the game to a win.