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[Mathdino]

But if you can't see a Dunker/Elmo team from very basic thought I really don't know what to tell you.

[Mathdino]

I'm as of yet unconvinced Dunker/UCV isn't the team. Figuring that out is what LyLo is for.

Unvote.

And lol at the 1% chance that that 15 minute timespan after I mentioned your name is the first time you remember this thread exists.

[Mathdino]

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Mathdino is apparently scum because he is even worse if you look into all the band wagon in between the VCs

You're aware I purposefully try to get wagons going to generate info right?

In active games with active voters (Chill Mafia) I don't have to do that and can focus on figuring out which wagons are shit or not.

In games where literally no one is anywhere, no shit I'm gonna start jumping on wagons without scumreads.

Edit: Yeah arguing you're shit at scum to me when you've been shown to be hyper-aware of your meta isn't the most convincing thing I've ever read.

[Mathdino]

If you're actually town, this is a fucking classic situation of leaving the VI that won't change his reads alive. I don't know what you're hoping to get out of NKA here.

[Mathdino]

fuck and if you're scum it's not even a risk to sacrifice yourself on a 1v1 with me because we don't have a scumteam figured out yet

goddammit

[Mathdino]

mfw you actually just went offline

[Mathdino]

are you even afraid of losing to quickhammer in this situation?

[Mathdino]

You will be when no one hammers anyone, so I'm comfortable treating you as such.

If scumteam is Dunker/Elmo they're sure as hell not quickhammering anytime soon though. But if it is then I think my point's lost on UCV.

Where are you at right now schadd? I obviously have 0 incentive to vote outside a crossvote if UCV voteparks.

[Mathdino]

If he's town and he doesn't, we lose anyway. I'm assuming that the game continues. Honestly UCV is heavily broadcasting that he knows the game will continue anyway so I'm losing concern by the minute.

[Mathdino]

Explain? Dunker's argument is essentially "well they kinda have to be the team at this point".

[Mathdino]

I just want to have a game plan tomorrow if we lynch UCV and one of us dies

I'm not a fan of speedlynching confscum in Lylo without a team in mind

[Mathdino]

RC also strong scumread Paradox and both agreed on Dunker/Elmo so

[Mathdino]

I'm thinking we underestimated UCVs ability to play to his own meta of literally doing nothing all day and watching the other players tear each other apart

[Mathdino]

In retrospect I feel pretty stupid for just sheeping that tbh

[Mathdino]

Nah I'm not saying that at all

Seems more likely he was killed because he only buying the Dunker/Elmo team on a lukewarm basis, and he's much more likely to solve lylo than you or I am

Recall also that he was hard defending against Dino/Elmo for a bit and that's exactly the scumteam UCV wants to push

Edit: I think UCV is significantly more likely than Paradox to change his meta on purpose, which is why my Paradox meta read was much stronger

[Mathdino]

Same dude

Should've lynched Dunker or Elmo :/

Wed be in a better position no matter what

[Mathdino]

So all of this strongly implies UCV Elmo. Dunker would've been willing to compromise on Elmo otherwise, and he had no reason to believe Paradox was PR.

[Mathdino]

Have Elmo or UCV played with him before

Because I was getting a pretty Derpy Hooves vibe from him

[Mathdino]

K logical kill then in order to get me lynched

I assume he expected a Dunker/me crossvote

[Mathdino]

Every lylo I come in like damn I would totally vote this guy out the gate to just get it over with

Somehow that target is like always town

[Mathdino]

I wish I could meme with you but idk what you're talking about

[Mathdino]

I honestly know like nothing on Kendricks discography
I want to tho

If you don't wanna sell me on Dunkertown, sell me on Kendrick

[Mathdino]

Fuck I should've sitechatted you about this

Now I can't cuz its probably game related

[Mathdino]

This game in particular or the consequences of that rule in general?

[Mathdino]

Dumpstermicro is a perfect representation of this entire game

[Mathdino]

UCV isn't going to be convinced just because you or I ask him to

If Dunker/Elmo are the team they win while he's at school anyway

But i know UCV would be more cautious about this as town

Gonna act as if no game over
VOTE: DeWay
Could do Elmo but I'm defaulting to confscum first

[Mathdino]

lol UCV is totally online

i'll unvote if he does

that quality UCV meta of avoiding the thread amirite

[Mathdino]

hey schadd let's talk about the "so is this a chat room or what" parody threads

if you post in the bathroom thread at all during this game day i will treat this as a scumclaim and thus vote you

but since i've just said that i'm gonna treat it as out of game communication and get you banned

[Mathdino]

do you wanna bet on whether elmo will bus UCV

[Mathdino]

cuz if she doesn't we're basically waiting until monday for dunker to get back :/

i really want out of this game tbh this is depressing

[Mathdino]

oshit i have a solution

let's just lynch elmo instead

by the time dunker gets back it'll be day again so we can end it

[Mathdino]

this is assuming of course that you're solidified on dunkertown

because if you're solid on that, and UCV is never voting him, then he's literally never getting lynched

[Mathdino]

actually no elmo should give a defence or some shit, resolving dunker vs elmo without either of them here would be lame

ughhhhhhhh

i need to join funner games

[Mathdino]

lylos are way more fun when everyone is actually here at the same time so you can get reactions and shit

in absence of that, this is just a waiting game

i usually try to rush lylos that stagnate but in this case we don't even have the votes around to do so -_-

[Mathdino]

I'm not using that to case you, just to mock you. And also make the point to myself/others that you've had ample opportunity to unvote and you're clearly not going to, so it's not like it's any more of a loss if I join the crossvote.

bro bro if you want me to actually write a case on you just ask xD

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

[Mathdino]

dunker's gonna be so upset if that was the scumteam

2 orders of business

1. you show the case on me

2. still need convincing either way; i'm fairly sure it's not you/dunker at this point but (and don't both responding to this cuz it's lylo) my suspicion is STRONGLY that you knew your vote wasn't game-ending, you saw that the wind was blowing in your direction, so you unvoted for last min towncred

[Mathdino]

I actually kind of believe that it is possible based of NKA. So I will invite you if you unvote me. I have looked at your defence of my VCA and it kind if makes since, but the NKA has not been proven wrong.

Also, I can't prove NKA wrong if you don't actually explain what it is.

Like I've asked you (and Dunker before) all game, just write your case and we'll hash it out.

[Mathdino]

I actually kind of believe that it is possible based of NKA. So I will invite you if you unvote me. I have looked at your defence of my VCA and it kind if makes since, but the NKA has not been proven wrong.

Also, I can't prove NKA wrong if you don't actually explain what it is.

Like I've asked you (and Dunker before) all game, just write your case and we'll hash it out.

Pagetopping this and also just saying that I promise not to shit on your case by being like "HURR DURR WIFOM". I actually do believe NKA has merits in very specific situations, and I've solved a LyLo before via it.

[Mathdino]

Classic

Could lynch her and save the mod the trouble lol

[Mathdino]

Yes

[Mathdino]

You know exactly why I'm not paying attention to this right now, lol.

Important q: Did you read the game and Elmo's slot before replacing in?

[Mathdino]

I need to fully convince myself that it's not you/sheep for me to ever feel comfortable voting Dunker.

Gimme a few to get back into this game. I'm not gonna even try parsing sheep's shit rn.

[Mathdino]

A. Citation needed on UCV meta?

B. I think UCV has gotten to the point of being aware of his own meta given that literally everyone jumped at the chance of gutreading his meta. Trying to motivation-read him is shit though because he just hasn't been here til end of D2.

[Mathdino]

excellent answers! thank you

dunker is confscum fmpov bc scum would have hammered me by now i think

this fact is why i don't really super duper want to engage

like anything you say is gonna be through the lens of dunkerscum

which, don't get me wrong, i already agree with

but i need to not believe in UCV/sheep for this to work (luckily you've taken the job of defending UCV, wao thx)

since you don't believe in UCV/dunker (and honestly I don't either)

there really isn't much to talk about; i'm not gonna convince you of a different read and vice versa

i'll wait for dunker to get back

[Mathdino]

Tfw sheep is confscum in my eyes but Dunker isn't

More this evening

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Dunker
agreed, dunker/sheep has to be it

[Mathdino]

at least if i'm wrong we can get this game over with

gg UCV/sheep if win

[Mathdino]

@The Dead Thread

: Because I know people love to drag people who make wrong decisions in LyLo:

sheep-scum has a constant meta of correctly using meta on other users. He doesn't lie about that logic, and I'm not sure he's capable of doing so.

His meta on UCV I didn't care enough to check out, but if he were scum with UCV, he wouldn't try to make a meta argument he knows is wrong.

UCV/sheep being a worthless pair, that forces Dunker to be scum.

schadd or I die tonight and we decide tomorrow between the two.

[Mathdino]

Didn't think I'd get away with that. I let my guard down through D2 because I was playing specifically to manipulate the playerlist I had. Once RC/NSG came in I knew they'd realise how much I'd been scumming it up previously.

This was my plan:

i don't really have any scumreads

i townlean you obviously, ucv, tgp i guess and schadd

F

air, but like, you know there are 7 players not 9 right? Your townbloc consists of 5?

Gut says UCV/Dyno is town v town.

VOTE: Elmo

this is like the scummiest post in the last couple pages so scumlean i guess

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kay but doesn't that imply this is bussing? Why would ASP choose to bus in this situation?

L

ooking mostly at JP Mafia, a big scumtell I've found as micros condense is scum PoEing themselves out of a valid scumteam. They know they're town, and so they dole out townreads to people they already know are town.

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k so i get the feeling dunk is doing exactly that

W

hen Elmo gives content like UCV has, I'll see if reevaluation makes sense, but for now, vote stands.

Idea was to lynch someone D2, kill someone, and if the PR was still alive, figure out who they were and claim a Follower guilty on them before they could do shit.

At no point did I ever expect PARADOX to be the Follower xD

The idea was that I'd claim a Follower-innocent on him for N1, which helps explain why I was hard-defending him so much.

gg guys. Credit to Dunker/UCV for gutreading my scumplay. I played real sloppy for the first half imo. LyLo play was also no bueno. It's hard to fake solving LyLos as scum when gamesolving LyLos is a huge cornerstone of my town persona.

Sorry to Bins and Chickadee for paying you to join this game and then killing you

Credit to sheep for pocketing UCV after UCV literally said he couldn't be pocketed

And yeah Paradox never self-hammer especially as PR. Although it looks like you were already hammered so w/e.

Good game all!

[Mathdino]

Hey Creats, any specifics on why you handpicked the players that you did?

Also Raybells is now threatening to policy lynch me if I ever try to talk past a hydra head to another head ever again xD

Tbh I'd like to think my play once RC/NSG got here was ultimately what I'd have done as town. I wasn't setting up Paradox for ML at all; I genuinely think I'd have townread him off meta, and thus would expect NSG to do so as well. I knew that once NSG was active in the thread I'd HAVE to townread her, but in the position I was in, I had to scumread the hydra (for basically the reasons I stated). The plan was to maneuver into a situation where I could townread the hydra as early as possible so as to not 1v1 them, get town lynched, and then either kill the hydra or claim a guilty on them.

Once Elmo became confscum in so many ways I really didn't expect the win. Thanks sheep for the sub-in.

[Mathdino]

Ftr I asked NSG right around here to back off thread because I needed to deal with Mathdino

That post was all I needed out of NSG. It's obvtown and explains the Paradox situation. Enough for me to townbin you guys and focus on the people I could actually mislynch.

Getting so close to the deadline was such a help. I don't think I'd have accepted a Paradox lynch as town in that sitch. But so many people were scumreading him that it was weirdly better for my reputation to "compromise".

[Mathdino]

Keep in mind that had NSG had control there, she wouldn't have lynched Paradox in the first place.

I wanted NSG around enough for me to townread her and "trust" you.

But I wanted you around enough to get Paradox lynched without my help

[Mathdino]

It was also a really interesting situation how my hard-defence of Paradox actually made more people scumread him for being my partner.

They say that as scum you want town to lynch your townreads, so that was cool it actually happened the way it did. I'm not sure how I'd have recovered from a Dunker mislynch.

Enjoy the first recent real scum meta you all have on me!

[Mathdino]

Legit just needed NSG to hurry up and obvtown herself so the game could continue. I never expected to pocket her, or that she'd be particularly pocketable by me anyway.

[Mathdino]

When is it correct play for NSG to post, RC?

[Mathdino]

Was there anyone else to talk to?

[Mathdino]

I just wanna point out that after you made that post, I didn't ask for NSG once nor did I direct any questions or talk at her.

I actually explicitly said once "Yo I trust town-RC's reads more than town-NSG's" which helped get to the point of believably being willing to lynch Paradox.

And at that point she pretty much did let you do shit IIRC.

Edit: this game wasn't super fun tbh
i just wanted to power the game to be over asap xD

[Mathdino]

Probably would've just stopped interacting with you. If someone's not giving me reasons to townread them or is actively trying to hamper attempts to townread them, I wouldn't play ball as either alignment.

I mean keep in mind that from my town-perspective, you could easily have been scum trying to hide NSG's scummy scumplay.

Edit: @Creats: I'm a newer player...?

[Mathdino]

could also argue that the game went badly cuz all of y'all didn't listen to me and NSG in that Paradox was obvtown

cuz seriously

he was obvtown

[Mathdino]

Why push Paradox so hard before NSG's entrance then?