Micro 771 Lucky's Lucky Upick Lollapalooza! - GAME OVER!!!

[Not Known 15]

Rvs is over. My first post, and it is on day 2. A lynch day 1, on PAGE 1, with less than 24 hours?
That smells like scum.
Here are my four scumreads, from weak to strong:
Bambietta. Reason: L-1 page 1.
Illy Pump.Reason: Pushes for hammer, then hammers page 1.
Sheep. First vote on lynch wagon. Reason:Pushing for hammer. Post 8
ZZZX. Reason: Expresses urge to hammer. Doesn't hammer. Post 24<---- SCUM.
VOTE: ZZZX

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NVM. Dead. I am an idiot.
VOTE: Sheep

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VOTE: nk15
you misrepresent zzzx really badly

there's nothing wrong with anyone's getting on the wagon lol

There is something EXTREMELY wrong with a lynch Day 1 that happens like this.
Either mafia pushed for it or made it.
And there are at least two town idiots here. Maybe you are one.
I dont misrepresent zzzx. Their expression is a subtle push for a quicklynch because it makes it look more acceptable(to quicklynch Day 1)
Luckily, scum killed them, so we don't have to mislynch them.

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VOTE: arch

Arch was town.

this is a good wagon
i townread everyone on it

Townreads waaaaay to quickly

there is no need to try to prevent your scumbuddy's lynch

BS.

haha no

stop im town leader not you

self-proclaimed town leader.

you misrepresent zzzx really badly

there's nothing wrong with anyone's getting on the wagon lol

That lynch wagon was incredibly anti-town, at least the last votes and the push of sheep(and ZZZX' actions as well, but they are confirmed town).

Lynch Sheep.

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chill pill my dude

That isn't town.

never dumb town

there's nothing wrong with a page 1 quicklynch you just dont have a lot of experience

I know exactly what's wrong with a page 1 quicklynch: Scum is on it. YOU WERE EVEN QUICKLYNCHHAPPY BEFORE THE TARGET POSTED. THEY COULD HAVE BEEN AN IC!!!
No, going close to deadline each day isn't recommended.

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Well what I want is for us to claim now, so we can catch liars in the act.

You want a massclaim in a role madness game.
Why?

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oml

i assure you that quicklynches are ok and can be manned by town
i have actual fucking experience

And I assure you that pushing for a quicklynch of somebody Day 1 before they even posted is incredibly stupid. You should at least wait if they claim Mason or IC.

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Scumclaim? I'm trying to see how in the hell we can figure out this setup. From what I heard, there are very few times VT's are in UPicks. And a Micro at that.

We can break this by all claiming.

I will openly claim first if it helps ease you guys.

Go. Claim your role.

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Screw you scum. I'm doing it.

I'm a Temporary Neighborizer. I get to make a neighborhood with a person for a night and the following day, but then it ends and I make a different one the following night. I also can't pick the same person 2 nights in a roll.

The one I did last night was with Alisae's French Maid because I liked her day one.

... why do you want a massclaim, again?
with THIS role?

Screw you scum. I'm doing it.

This was a scumpost.
VOTE: Bambietta Basterbine

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Your the one who said to claim and you vote me for it?

I'm doing it because Me and Alisae agreed it was a good idea.

I wanted you to claim because you are very suspect, not because I think a massclaim is good in general.

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retract replacement request

nk15's rolefishing is antitown as fuck

I wanted to know one role, because the person was very suspect and had expressed to want a massclaim.
Bambietta wanted to fish for all roles.

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If you have any better ideas to find scum, I'm all ears, NK. I'm going to wait until the rest of the group is here though, so they can contribute as well.

You know that scum could easily be ANY role, except IC and Mason?
You are not even a rolecop(I would understand rolefishing from a rolecop or something like that with a dubious result such as Ninja, that's why I asked for your role).

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The one I did last night was with Alisae's French Maid because I liked her day one.

our the one who said to claim and you vote me for it?

I'm doing it because Me and Alisae agreed it was a good idea.

Wait a moment.
Alisae agreed it was a good idea to rolefish?

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nah memes > the game i dont think it's ai

VOTE: deway his read on me is bullshit and

he knows that

i can do this wagon

I looked at your past posts.
Yep.
Also, on the quicklynch wagon.
VOTE: De Way

L-1

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nah memes > the game i dont think it's ai

VOTE: deway his read on me is bullshit and

he knows that

i can do this wagon

I looked at your past posts.
Yep.
Also, on the quicklynch wagon.
VOTE: De Way

L-1

Neither me nor sheep where on the quicklynch wagon.

We were on the RVS wagon.

There was only one person on the quick lynch wagon.

Now can we get our heads out of our asses and actually try to win in stead of just quick lynching please. Thanks.

Wrong account, UC.
No please DONT quicklynch De Way.

There was only one person on the quick lynch wagon.

Definitely not. Sheep was definitely on the quicklynch wagon because they rallied for one.

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UNVOTE: De Way
to prevent a quicklynch.

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nah memes > the game i dont think it's ai

VOTE: deway his read on me is bullshit and

he knows that

i can do this wagon

De Way.
What do you have to say about this?

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i would die before claiming on page six,

De Way

nah memes > the game i dont think it's ai

VOTE: deway his read on me is bullshit and

he knows that

i can do this wagon

De Way.
What do you have to say about this?

Answer that, NOW.

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not known, answer my question and then explain why you didn't answer it until further prodding.

I somehow skipped it.
I had thought that I had been clear enough that a quicklynch was not acceptable.
I took the risk to get some reaction out of De Way.
Then, I removed my vote because I got that reaction and I didn't want a hammer on them yet.

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VOTE: Not Mafia
Reason:
ISO.

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ok, but have you considered nit being scummy?

I do not understand this.

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VOTE: Not Mafia
Reason:
ISO.

To clarify this:
Not Mafia looks like a mafia member lurking from the sidelines, eager to see us lynch ourselves. No sane town would, after such a horrible quick mislynch, and several pages of discussion, put a

naked vote

on someone, especially not to L-1 in this situation.

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VOTE: Not Mafia
Reason:
ISO.

To clarify this:
Not Mafia looks like a mafia member lurking from the sidelines, eager to see us lynch ourselves. No sane town would, after such a horrible quick mislynch, and several pages of discussion, put a

naked vote

on someone, especially not to L-1 in this situation.

I'm insane

This is scum. Not Mafia is definitely scum.
Move your votes away from De Way and Sheep and lynch them.

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VOTE: Not Mafia
Reason:
ISO.

To clarify this:
Not Mafia looks like a mafia member lurking from the sidelines, eager to see us lynch ourselves. No sane town would, after such a horrible quick mislynch, and several pages of discussion, put a

naked vote

on someone, especially not to L-1 in this situation.

I'm insane

This is scum. Not Mafia is definitely scum.
Move your votes away from De Way and Sheep and lynch them.

have you played with nm
this is nai for him

I looked at his meta and no his behaviour is NOT nai.
Usually, Not Mafia actually cares to bring some sort of argument into a lynch. The complete absence of any reasonings and useful interactions is not a part of their towngame.

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Ok. Not Mafia. What is your reasoning?

De Way, do not forget my answer.

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my question... not my answer.

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besides bambietta's claim there's literally no effort to actually impact the game

What do you think of Alisae?
They haven't been very active...

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... For a game with a rabbit as it's mascot, This game is fricken slow as malasis right now.

I've seen enough from you...
to determine that you are scummy.
That post doesn't change that.
VOTE: Bambietta

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Jesus Christ man. Alisae even confirmed my Neighbor ability. What the shit.

That does not make you town.

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now

Wrong account. Again.

Lynch BeeBoy for profit

This player is not in the player list.

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Lynch DeWay

If you have a good reason to suspect De Way(behaviour that was missed, your night results) please tell us.

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I'm trying my best here, but I have nothing to work with! Nothing I can even do. I decided to go openly for information but clearly that's not a viable option. I confirmed my role but not my alignment.

I just want the best for town, dude.

This is scummy.
You have plenty of posts to analyze. You even have a quicklynch to analyze. This post is so bad, and anti-town...

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Currently my top scumreads are Bambietta and Not Mafia. So.... that adds up.

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Deway slot should have been lynched ages ago.

Didn't you say you would quicklynch De Way?
Wasn't De Way at L-1 at some point when you posted?
Why did you not declare intent to hammer then?
This explanation smells like scum trying to put the blame for an incoming mislynch on others. Which would mean we are on the wrong track with Bambietta.
VOTE: Illy Pump
They quicklynched town anyways and no one voted them for that. You'd think scum would regard them as easy target to push for, but if they are themselves scum... And that one sentence above is really scummy. A lot.

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We voted deway 6 posts before you put them at L-1 shitlord. Sheep how are you tring this?

Oops. Sorry!
VOTE: Bambietta

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i'm going to assume anyone nk15 votes is town for the rest of the game

... so you think that the scumteam is me and NSG? Really?

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Because I'm confused and distracted.

Interesting. I am not really that distracted but I am definitely confused.
More precisely:I am confused by what everyone has been doing so far:
We had an improper quicklynch on page 1.
And... this town is the worst town I've been playing with so far, except maybe Jester Nightless.
Bad coordination.
People not explaining their reads.

This needs to end.

What I demand, yes

demand

, from everyone right now is:
1. A list of town/scumreads
2. The reasoning behind each read(if it has not already been given)

We have a bit less than 4 days left.
And until I don't see any of these reads:
UNVOTE:

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sheepsaysmeep:
Bad: Pushed for the quicklynch.
Self-proclaimed town leader
Possible partners.
Unsure:Didnt like massclaim.
Good: Actually tries to explain reads and pushes players for scuminess... while the majority is not doing that.

Possible partners: Illy Pump, Not Mafia(defended quicklynches very much, very defensive on a self proclaimed null read(Not Mafia)

Northsidegal:
Bad: Alisaes French Maid was lurking
Unsure:Liked massclaim.
Good: Started to explain reads as NSG

Not_Mafia:
Bad: Pushed quicklynch. Only started to contribute more than naked votes and quicklynch pushes after they were scumread for that. No explained reads(easy to make them up completely)
Good:Nothing.

Illy Pump (a hydra of Smocaine and Kokichi Oma)
Bad:Hammered quicklynch. Never voted by anyone else despite quicklynch
Now that I look at this again, shitposting and little actual read generation, and very few explanation. Also extremely tunnely for both town and scumreads.

Good:Nothing.
Bambietta Basterbine:
Bad:Nothing useful whatsoever.
Unsure: Liked massclaim

UC Voyager:
Bad:Their bad meta read on sheep.
Good:Actually making reads and other contribution, albeit after having been on L-1(so not that highly indicative)

Now, to the massclaim: I remember a role madness micro where the person who didnt like the massclaim the most was a Ninja. So yes, there could be more value to a massclaim than I previously thought, but mainly because the targeted enabler already died:
The enabler is already dead.
The enabler enabled targeted abilities(I guess) so these abilities, that you would also not like to claim, are useless now.

Reads:

UCV,Sheep

Northsidegal

Not Mafia

Illy Pump,Bambietta

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this is still town!ucv probably

Can you please look at Illy? What I see there isn't good.

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This really doesn't seem like this is going in town's favor if we don't try to change course. Either me or North are getting hung now, which is not something that seems good. We have three days to fricken find scum or I feel a panic Lynch happening.

THEN FUCKING SHOW SOME MOTIVATION TO FIND SCUM YOURSELF

You did actually read post307?

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I would be willing to lynch any of {illy, ucv, bamb}, with the most preference perhaps being illy.

One big question I've been asking myself – if Illy isn't scum, why didn't scum take the opportunity to push them for the quickhammer?

I think UCV's "never been more confidant [sic] in a read ever" seems faked, although he can basically only be paired with not_mafia, so i don't think he's as good of a read (combined with my reasons to scumread him being weaker).

We're just a bit more than a day left to deadline, so i'd appreciate if everyone could contribute a little more.

It feels like your scumread on us isn't very good.

It doesn't feel to me like that. A quickhammer and the lack of scum readiness to push it...
are solid indications of scum.
VOTE: Illy Pump

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I would be willing to lynch any of {illy, ucv, bamb}, with the most preference perhaps being illy.

One big question I've been asking myself – if Illy isn't scum, why didn't scum take the opportunity to push them for the quickhammer?

I think UCV's "never been more confidant [sic] in a read ever" seems faked, although he can basically only be paired with not_mafia, so i don't think he's as good of a read (combined with my reasons to scumread him being weaker).

We're just a bit more than a day left to deadline, so i'd appreciate if everyone could contribute a little more.

Because they know town will do it for them. I'd argue there is scum incentive to explicitly

not

push us until a clutch moment like diverting people from a scum lynch or a lylo push. The value of our page 1 hammer only goes up as the game progresses and people get antsy and try to policy us for it.

There is also scum incentive in quickhammering town.
There is also scum incentive in not voting scum.

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It's still the day after the quicklynch. I'm not saying it is the case, but can't one of you two be scum taking that opportunity right now? The game has been in a stall, and when games are slow scum tends to go with that flow. It's not like any opportunities have been missed yet.

That opportunity has never been taken before, and both bambietta and ucv have already been pushed today. What's the supposed lynch that scum might want to avoid?

Lack of scum readiness to push it. What does that even mean my goon?

you have not been voted at the start of the day or when UCV was in danger of lynch. Or when Bambietta was.

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VOTE: Bambietta

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L-1

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Im also assuming NSG is town because of the neighborizor thing.

Actually, if Bambietta is not a neighbourizer...
then NSG is definitely scum.

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Well, either someone roleblocked Bambietta, or forced them to attack someone else....
or Bambietta was lying.
I want a massclaim.
Order:
Illy Pump(first)
UC Voyager
Northsidegal
Not Known 15
Not Mafia(last)

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I get the feeling that what she described may have been the "boo boo" that lucky described.

But it's just illy, right everyone? Like, that seems pretty obvious to me.

VOTE: illy pump

North, I want a massclaim first.
The Tracker is dead.
We no longer have a target redirector.
People might have info(I do) and there is no need to quickly lynch Illy(even if it is probably illy).

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I never said we should quicklynch. I'm just saying that the last scum seems obvious to me.

Any specific reason for the massclaim?

Yeah. We could get valuable info on it.
... and actually I'd rather claim last, because I have investigative info.
If we massclaim now we can afford a CC to catch a liar instead of catching them in LYLO 3 p where it will not help us that much.

The harm I see is little. It is either game over or we get one more lynch to go, and at that point any info leads to a 1v1.
We have lost an enabler AND a tracker. The mafia has lost a target redirector. The things that could complicate a massclaim/make it anti-town have probably already been eliminated.

[Not Known 15]

So that's the new order:

Illy Pump(first)
UC Voyager
Northsidegal
Not Mafia
Not Known 15(last)

[Not Known 15]

We are odd night cop. Ultimate lucky student. NK15 is town like I said start of Day 2

Ok... so you visited me Night 1 and saw that I was town?
That confirms me as town.

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But Illy... I don't trust your claim or your visit. You'll see why soon.

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UCV is next.

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Ok lets get over with this.
I am the Broken Mirror, a reactive rolecop. I rolecop one random visitor.
No rolecop results Night 1, sheep rolecop results Night 2. Sheep indeed visited me and Not Mafia visited no one.
The night 1 result clearly shows that Illy wasn't visiting me(or is a Ninja).
VOTE: Illy Pump

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Unless someone claims to have a guilty result:
1. The remaining people claim(North UCV Not Mafia) AND NO TOWN LIES THIS TIME!
2. we look for any irregularities
3. No lynch.

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Kokichi you really need to stop with the town fake claims, you claim terrible roles

Not Mafia, is the claim route:
UCV
North
Not Mafia ok for you?

[Not Known 15]

My ability allows me to give someone a BP vest for the following night.

day one, i gave it to no one, day two, i gave it to NK, day three, also NK

FULL roleclaim please. Modifiers, name... everything.

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oh yeah, nk15 – explain the bolded?

No rolecop results Night 1, sheep rolecop results Night 2. Sheep indeed visited me and

Not Mafia visited no one.

if sheep visited you, why would you get a track on nm? if sheep visited nm and you got his amnesiac results, how did you rolecop him?

An Amnesiac tracker visits two people. The one they track and the one they give these results to. Sheep gave me the results for Night 2.

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I know only one thing: In a massclaim, as town,(and they were even at the top of the suspicion list) you dont lie. A massclaim has the function to catch evil fakeclaims via contradictions. Lying as town - what Illy did - will have disastrous consequences.

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It seems to me that UCV doesn't want to roleclaim further. NSG, you are next.

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My ability allows me to give someone a BP vest for the following night.

day one, i gave it to no one, day two, i gave it to NK, day three, also NK

Well... let's just say I didn't rolecop anyone Night 3. Night 2 was possible, Night 3? North, did you roleblock UCV Night 3 or something similar? Otherwise I'd say it is UCV.

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nk15, he's claiming to target you during the day, not during the night – i'd assume your role wouldn't trigger. please don't make your full read on who's scum based off of the massclaim – there's literally no reason for ucv to lie about his role and we've already seen it not work once. bambietta told the (partial) truth about her role and it didn't instantly incriminate her.

Ah yes. Missed that part.
But still, it has to be either you or UCV unless Not Mafia is a Ninja.

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VOTE: no lynch

Do not hammer this please. We need a confirmation from UCV that they used the day ability on Not Mafia.

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So. UCV didn't even say that they are BP'ing Not Mafia which was all what was required. If we cannot protect Not Mafia then there is no point in nolynching- we will simply lose one confirmed townie.

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Well, UCV, either you say yes to BP-ing somebody or we'll have to lynch you.

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VOTE: No lynch

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VOTE: no lynch

UCV supposedly has a day ability. I don't want a nolynch before they have a chance to use it.

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didn't someone who died get a inno on NK

That inno(from Illy) was fake.

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North I want to see your claim now. We cannot force mafia to kill so we have to resolve this.

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UCV did you use your day ability?

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Ok, since UCV does not want to vest any further we should just lynch them.
VOTE: UC Voyager

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No, we shouldn't.

I am sure that you are town now. Not Mafia is confirmed via tracker result. Which means that UCV is not town.

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No lynch. There is pretty much zero downside.

UCV has not told us that they would protect again.

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2 days left. I do not have anything new to say.

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Now to wait 3 days for a response

1 day and 19 hours left as of this post.

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VOTE: No Lynch

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Day has begun? I have nothing more to say. Waiting for UCV...

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VOTE: No Lynch

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VOTE: No Lynch

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hopefully not too many more

this.
Waiting for UCV

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VOTE: No Lynch

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Still no deaths, ari?

Oh dear.

UCV, please vest.

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VOTE: No Lynch

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VOTE: No Lynch

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Does anyone have a result?

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VOTE: no lynch

UCV didn't vest yet.

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Ari can you update the OP with the end results and lynches, please?