With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Micro 737: Chosen Mafia (Day 4)
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Mulch died during the night!
Spoiler: What was he!?
Day 3 has dawned.
Official Vote Count 3.00
Not Voting(5): tman2nd, Gorny, Keychain, Dunnstral, Bulbazoor
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Deadline:(expired on 2017-09-16 05:18:00)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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VOTE: Keychain
Keychain was pushing for the lynch of BTD both days. On day 1 this was also to protect PM. She specifically wanted BTD over LUV over here:
She even tried to push on Mulch the other chosen townie, even when he had been very town with his vote on day 1.In post 178, Keychain wrote:Why LUV instead of BTD6, though? Their actions have been scummier in general - before they went on V/LA, all they contributed was theory spec. Then they left an RVS vote in place when they left.
The more I think about it, the more I get suspicious, ugh. Too much like someone just watching a town pull itself apart.
VOTE: BTD6_maker
I think she's had some good town reads of people, but that's because she knows everyone else is town. I still think she made good points on Dunnstral being town. It's just her reason for that argument was to get us to lynch a chosen townie over a normal one. I've had some paranoia over her town read of me, and now I think that's justified.-
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Umlaut, the way you manage to start each day on a new page will never fail to impress me!
So tell me:tman2nd wrote:VOTE: Keychain
Keychain was pushing for the lynch of BTD both days. On day 1 this was also to protect PM. She specifically wanted BTD over LUV over here:
She even tried to push on Mulch the other chosen townie, even when he had been very town with his vote on day 1.In post 178, Keychain wrote:Why LUV instead of BTD6, though? Their actions have been scummier in general - before they went on V/LA, all they contributed was theory spec. Then they left an RVS vote in place when they left.
The more I think about it, the more I get suspicious, ugh. Too much like someone just watching a town pull itself apart.
VOTE: BTD6_maker
I think she's had some good town reads of people, but that's because she knows everyone else is town. I still think she made good points on Dunnstral being town. It's just her reason for that argument was to get us to lynch a chosen townie over a normal one. I've had some paranoia over her town read of me, and now I think that's justified.
Why do you say you think I had good town reads when you were also paranoid of my town read on you?
Same question I asked Mulch - scum only need one Chosen townie lynched, so why would I have been pushing both? How does that make me more likely to be scum?
In post 319, tman2nd wrote:VOTE: BTD6_maker
Ok. You've convinced me. Dunnstral does seem town.
This is now L-1 on BTD.
I'm suspicious of both of the above last minute jumps on the BTD6 wagon with no reasons given. I've made it pretty clear I thought Dunn was town, so yes I'm going to go out of my way to avoid him getting lynched for stupid reasons and try and get my scumread lynched instead.In post 320, Gorny wrote: I still think Dunn is scummy, but You've convinced me to look elsewhere. I'm willing to switch my vote to BTD but I'm not going to hammer without at least saying something about it.
However Idon'tthink I defended him to the point that two people would suddenly jump off of his wagon - I find it very likely that one of you was taking the opportunity to get the BTD6 lynch through with minimum responsibility. I make some bad pushes as town, but the bright side is that scum are easily caught jumping aboard.
Given the way Gorny opened with
a vote on Dunnstral after hammering BTD6 because I "convinced him to look elsewhere", I think it may be him.Gorny wrote:Whelp that went well.
VOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Gorny
Being convinced of anything and everything is not a town trait. If Gorny is scum, we are making his job very easy - all he has to do is weakly push Dunn and jump on whatever wagons town present to him.Gorny wrote:Hmmm.
That does make sense.
I'm going to reread over lunch, also going to look over Mulch's interactions with other people. At work now though, might not post again for another 10 hours or so.
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Why is this a contradiction?In post 330, Keychain wrote:
So tell me:tman2nd wrote:VOTE: Keychain
Keychain was pushing for the lynch of BTD both days. On day 1 this was also to protect PM. She specifically wanted BTD over LUV over here:
She even tried to push on Mulch the other chosen townie, even when he had been very town with his vote on day 1.In post 178, Keychain wrote:Why LUV instead of BTD6, though? Their actions have been scummier in general - before they went on V/LA, all they contributed was theory spec. Then they left an RVS vote in place when they left.
The more I think about it, the more I get suspicious, ugh. Too much like someone just watching a town pull itself apart.
VOTE: BTD6_maker
I think she's had some good town reads of people, but that's because she knows everyone else is town. I still think she made good points on Dunnstral being town. It's just her reason for that argument was to get us to lynch a chosen townie over a normal one. I've had some paranoia over her town read of me, and now I think that's justified.
Why do you say you think I had good town reads when you were also paranoid of my town read on you?
On day 2, you initially pushed Mulch, but then there was an opportunity to switch to BTD when Mulch voted there.Same question I asked Mulch - scum only need one Chosen townie lynched, so why would I have been pushing both? How does that make me more likely to be scum?-
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In post 198, Umlaut wrote:Official Vote Count 1.08 (Final)
PMysterious(3): BTD6_maker, Lil Uzi Vert, Mulch
BTD6_maker(3): Keychain, Dunnstral, tman2nd
Bulbazoor(1): PMysterious
Dunnstral(1): Gorny
Not Voting(1): Bulbazoor
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Notes- BTD6_maker is V/LA through 8/25.
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Oh god almighty you're back to it.
What are you saying about that VC, Dunnstral?
PEdit: beat me to it!
It's not a contradiction. Maybe I should have asked it the other way around. Why were you paranoid of my townread on you when you think my townreads were good? I'm worried that you're just chucking that out now because paranoia is generally a town trait. Can you give me any evidence of that paranoia before this post?In post 331, tman2nd wrote:
Why is this a contradiction?In post 330, Keychain wrote: So tell me:
Why do you say you think I had good town reads when you were also paranoid of my town read on you?
On day 2, you initially pushed Mulch, but then there was an opportunity to switch to BTD when Mulch voted there.Same question I asked Mulch - scum only need one Chosen townie lynched, so why would I have been pushing both? How does that make me more likely to be scum?
And I have a tendency to tunnel. If Mulch was scum, and I was suspicious he was, I needed to push in that direction and test out different options before I locked onto BTD6. He completely overreacted to my vote which made me more sure about my suspicion. But since nobody else wanted to lynch him, I went back to BTD6.
If I was waiting for an opportunity to vote a Chosen townie, why didn't I wait for an opportunity to vote for Mulch? If you're trying to paint a picture of me being nervous scum unwilling to make the push on a Chosen townie on my own, there seems to be quite a lot to contradict that.
Why?tman2nd wrote:Plus, I think everyone else is town.-
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It's why I questioned it in VOTE: 268. Other than that I didn't really voice anything in that way.In post 334, Keychain wrote: It's not a contradiction. Maybe I should have asked it the other way around. Why were you paranoid of my townread on you when you think my townreads were good? I'm worried that you're just chucking that out now because paranoia is generally a town trait. Can you give me any evidence of that paranoia before this post?
That's not the picture I'm trying to paint. You weren't waiting for an opportunity. But, regardless of whether you are town or scum, you did take an opportunity when it appeared to vote BTD. As town, you're taking the opportunity to vote someone you suspect. As mafia, you're taking the opportunity to vote for a Chosen Townie. In any case, you taking or waiting for opportunities is not the point of my argument. It was more about how you were pushing for the lynches of Chosen Townies whether you started the wagon or not.If I was waiting for an opportunity to vote a Chosen townie, why didn't I wait for an opportunity to vote for Mulch? If you're trying to paint a picture of me being nervous scum unwilling to make the push on a Chosen townie on my own, there seems to be quite a lot to contradict that.
Gorny: 210
Why?tman2nd wrote:Plus, I think everyone else is town.
Dunnstral: You yourself gave good reasons in 318. The main one for me is how he didn't stop posting pictures when he was being pushed on it.
Bulbazoor: His interactions with PM don't seem to be between scum buddies.-
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(post tags corrected)tman2nd wrote: It's why I questioned it in 268. Other than that I didn't really voice anything in that way.
True, you did. Thanks for that. Your line of questioning on Gorny, which I think I was specifically referring to,wasgreat and it's one of the reasons I still think Gorny is scum over you. I'll go back and read your relationship with the BTD6 wagon later though.
I think I misunderstood you then. But my vote on BTD6 was in response to their 284, not Mulch's vote. I thought I explained that clearly enough in 294.tman2nd wrote:
That's not the picture I'm trying to paint. You weren't waiting for an opportunity. But, regardless of whether you are town or scum, you did take an opportunity when it appeared to vote BTD. As town, you're taking the opportunity to vote someone you suspect. As mafia, you're taking the opportunity to vote for a Chosen Townie. In any case, you taking or waiting for opportunities is not the point of my argument. It was more about how you were pushing for the lynches of Chosen Townies whether you started the wagon or not.If I was waiting for an opportunity to vote a Chosen townie, why didn't I wait for an opportunity to vote for Mulch? If you're trying to paint a picture of me being nervous scum unwilling to make the push on a Chosen townie on my own, there seems to be quite a lot to contradict that.
I think you're looking in the wrong place - the fact that Chosen townies flip Chosen means that scum are going to be pretty leery about blatantly going after them, especially with only one scum left. That's why I'm looking at you two who jumped on at the end, tipping the lynch from Dunnstral to BTD6.
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This isn't quite true though. Pretty sure he stopped when BTD6 pushed him? My point was that it looks like he stopped when it seemed like he was going to get lynched for it, instead of after PM got lynched.In post 336, tman2nd wrote: Dunnstral: You yourself gave good reasons in 318. The main one for me is how he didn't stop posting pictures when he was being pushed on it.
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Okay. So. I disagree with your reasons to townread Gorny.In post 210, tman2nd wrote:I've come around on Gorny. I think he's town. A couple reasons. He moved away from the Bulbazoor wagon onto Dunnstral which could doesn't mean too much because PM wasn't in much danger at the time, but he decided to stick on that vote which wasn't gaining any traction even after PM was in danger. Then today, he seemed a bit mixed up on the fact that LUV was killed last night. It could be an act, but It doesn't seem like it to me.
PM didn't save himself by moving his own vote. Gorny may have been expecting him to, and didn't want to add the layer of suspicion from putting himself on the Chosen lynch when PM could have done it with the excuse of self-preservation.
Secondly, he didn't seem confused about the NK, and I'm not sure why you think he was. He said in 205 he was aware that Mulch replaced Jin, but still listed them both in his analysis of who was likely to be PM's partner in 201, as well as LUV. He was including every player who had ever been in the game.-
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In post 327, tman2nd wrote:VOTE: Keychain
Keychain was pushing for the lynch of BTD both days. On day 1 this was also to protect PM. She specifically wanted BTD over LUV over here:
She even tried to push on Mulch the other chosen townie, even when he had been very town with his vote on day 1.In post 178, Keychain wrote:Why LUV instead of BTD6, though? Their actions have been scummier in general - before they went on V/LA, all they contributed was theory spec. Then they left an RVS vote in place when they left.
The more I think about it, the more I get suspicious, ugh. Too much like someone just watching a town pull itself apart.
VOTE: BTD6_maker
I think she's had some good town reads of people, but that's because she knows everyone else is town. I still think she made good points on Dunnstral being town. It's just her reason for that argument was to get us to lynch a chosen townie over a normal one. I've had some paranoia over her town read of me, and now I think that's justified.In post 328, tman2nd wrote:Plus, I think everyone else is town.
Going through the game looking at Keychain and Mulch like I said I would do.In post 329, Gorny wrote:Hmmm.
That does make sense.
I'm going to reread over lunch, also going to look over Mulch's interactions with other people. At work now though, might not post again for another 10 hours or so.
UNVOTE: Dunnstral
@Tman, if Keychain is scum like you say then the following points make sense from her being scum/would be more or less coming from scum!keychain, or seem so make more sense of she's scum:
Spoiler: stuff
Here's the thing keychain:
I'm not scum.
So it's going to come down to who people believe, based on all of the above I believe you are scum and maybe you're nervous like you said in 335 because therels a chance that things might backfire against you?
if you are scum, it doesn't matter who you think is scum over anyone else, a lynch of any one of us is what you need to stay afloat.
So, Im going to shoot another hole in your life raft: VOTE: keychain
Bulba an answer would be nice. You never explained that but instead voted me in 340In post 282, Gorny wrote:In post 280, Bulbazoor wrote:That was my scumpool btw
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Gorny, I think you're scum. I know it's in your best interest as scum to try and piggyback on tman's push. If you were town you would be trying to get your main scumread lynched. You know? Dunnstral? But no. You're going after me because you don't actually care who gets lynched, as long as it's not you.
So you have gone through my ISO to try and justify jumping on my wagon and have done it in such a transparently scummy way I'm kind of shocked. You have made some of the huuuuugest reaches I have ever seen in my life (particularly your point regarding my first post), you have pointed out seemingly random things that I've done as if they make me scum but without providing a reason for them coming from a scum mindset, and you've made some sarky comments that are in no way shape or form explaining why I am scum and are instead just assuming I am. Like this does not come from a townie explaining why they think someone is town. This is scum going through a townie ISO and trying to come up with reasons they're scum and just not doing that great a job at it.
And then you capped it off with the most convincing argument I've ever seen: "I'm not scum." Followed by
Like... dude.if you are scum, it doesn't matter who you think is scum over anyone else, a lynch of any one of us is what you need to stay afloat.You're describing yourself here.
I started responding point by point but thought I'd leave this here first. I'll get back to my longer response, maybe this evening but maybe tomorrow.
@tman: If you're paranoid of my townread on you, you should check out Gorny's. It appears to hinge on the fact that I voted you on page 2.-
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Gorny has been lynched!
Spoiler: What was he!?
Night 3 has fallen.
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