In post 111, Stormcloud wrote:
Have you ever played an all-vanilla game, where there are no claims? Just curious.
I have once. Mafia slipped up and claimed a power role when it became evident there were none. As to this being the same as that. You'll never know unless you get some claims. You'll think a power role might be collecting information when in fact we have none if we leave roles completely to the unknown.
For balance reasons, I'm willing to place my bet on there being either 2 town PR's and a mafia PR or if it really is all VT, then there is definitely a 3rd party. As 2 mafia in a 7 VT vs 2 would be a bit unfair for them and 3 mafia vs 6 VT would be unfair to us. It's just at that number where a PR or 3rd party must be active to balance things out. Which in games with a Neutral 3rd party (one who can win with any) or who's win conditions do not stop town's win conditions, I do not mind aiding by the way. Town of Salem which people seem to keep pinning me to (even though it's only one medium I play on... hah... medium... curse...), people on there are rather... ignorant. For example, if we have a known executioner and their target is a useless role, I'm willing to sacrifice a useless role to gain a non-killable townie (they would've won so no reason to side with mafia and counts as a confirmed vote against them for LYLO). Even survivors, who can vest and when mixed with a transporter can create a movable shield for town. However, in RT mafia, most players are unable to think that critically and just see "not town" as inherently bad. For those who've played the game and know the Jester role, I've managed to help a Jester win while getting a mafia killed. Mafia were tricking town, but I whispered the Jester to kill a certain somebody if he guiltied him. Well, I managed to get mafia to guilty him and got 2 birds with one stone.
But enough about my views of 3rd party neutrals/using 3rd parties to counter Mafia. There's not even a confirmed 3rd party active in this game as of yet.
Back to Implosion. You view his unvote and vote as a discussion generation. However, if you can move past your projection unto him of your own alignment and motives and see that he did not explain why he added nothing to his unvote and vote. He claims it's to "generate healthy discussion" (after the fact), however, how can a healthy discussion be generated from nothing of substance in the vote? If I had not analyzed that lack of substance as scummy, there would've been no healthy discussion generated at all from it. Objectively speaking, everything seems to conveniently be explained well after the fact. But in that moment, he had not contributed anything. In fact if you isolate his username in the thread, you can see that between his first and second post, he said nothing at all. Then let's say it was his intention for the sake of seeing it from another light. He is still able to stay out of the main spot light unless someone (such as myself) begin picking on him constantly. Because there is nothing from him to arouse more eyes other than those looking closely at the posts themselves.
In your own words Cloud, I see you as a "misguided" townie. You cannot see how he has attempted to keep himself out of the center of attention through simple actions. Further ignoring it because it's page 1. Some of the earliest actions are better give aways than when someone has time to establish the vibe of the town for the match.Fastposted by Kain 3 times.
Someone needs to take a chill pill and slow down. More people are town reading you than scum reading you currently. Also there we go again with assuming I'm a noob. Sure, I've been away from forum mafia for a year, but I'm in no way "new". In total, I have around 50 forum games under my belt with moderator experience of 6. None on this site mind you, but it's still experience.
Do not let the 'noobiness' of my methods fool you. It's been the bane of many mafia. (As for games where I played mafiaso, the stuff I can come up with is already messing with your heads as town, the stuff I come up with as mafia, well.. I once convinced town I was a Van Helsing type character chasing after a Werewolf and a Vampire. The Werewolf we knew was there because of night immunity, once he was lynched, the town was frantically searching for a vampire while I was an investigative immune mafia). Needless to say, the methods work as town, especially by the later days. If mafia are smart, they'll probably off me tonight or tomorrow night. It gets much more insane and dangerous for them the less players that are left in the game. Not only that, but as you've seen, already multiple people townread me, and regardless as to me being correct or incorrect at the current moment about my read, I become harder to lynch for them when they can't get the numbers to do so.
Now why am I explaining the above? Simple. WIFOM. Am I sweet or am I poisonous? Something they'll have to decide fairly quickly.
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