Comm wrote:There is no explanation for your immediate switch. I assume you'll say because I joined some band wagon or that putting someone at L2 this early is "scummy". Both terrible reasons.
You know, it's quite rude to assume.
Comm wrote:Do not forget, you also voted for him, thus any unvote warrants that you randomly voted as a poor joke vote or to seem active in the first stage of the Day 1.
Are you aware of site meta?
Comm wrote:By unvoting you take away someone from claiming and having real discussion happen for the rest of Day 1.
I disagree with the premise that an early claim on d1 is good for town; this is sort of the common consensus on mafiascum as well.
Comm wrote:Simple. A claim early on is good for town, it gives us plenty of time to discuss. However, one has already made his motives clear with no words spoken from his unvote. Do tell me if I'm wrong to assume not explaining a vote and unvote while also delaying discussion to be scum motivated. Correct?
If you want a more serious theory discussion of this I'm happy to give it to you; an early claim is bad relative to a late claim for two reasons. One, asking an arbitrary person to claim is a bad idea as that person may later have become obvious town, making their claimed status a detriment; two, to more directly address the point you're making, it warps discussion around the claim. A great example of this is one of my recently completed games (Gamma Emerald was in it as well); we had a town ascetic claim on page one, and discussion warped entirely around that claim for the next several pages. He was then counterclaimed and the entire day's discussion warped around the two of them. This kind of discussion is generally easy for scum to hide in because they don't have to take nuanced stances; they can merely say "I believe/disbelieve the claim because X" and claim relative ignorance of the rest of the game.
Comm wrote:This is a quick set-up game. No real specialties going on. It's safe to assume there's at least a cop and doctor active with possible other town PRs if we have 3 mafia.
Okay, you clearly don't know site meta if you think this. This is simply not true. I can pretty much guarantee that there's no doctor if there is a cop unless scum have a roleblocker or strongman or the like. And even then, that combination has drifted massively out of style over the course of the past decade. It's incredibly rare to have roles that are worth claiming in combination with roles that can protect them. Especially in such a small game. It's also *VERY* probably 2:7 (or even 2:1:6) rather than 3:6.
Perhaps he hoped to skirt by without someone noticing that lack of contribution to the discussion even this early on.
Why yes, I am quite guilty of skirting by for the first several hours
of the game. How dare
Parama wrote:current impression is that Comm is town but very misguided. dunno about anyone else.
Ever so slight tendency to agree.