Micro 706: Restrictive Mafia (Over)

Nexus · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:51 am

Restrictive Mafia

I am tired of the spam filled, shit post centric games. So, you can only post the amount I say so! There are

2 Mafia Goons

and

7 Vanilla Townies

.

The restrictions are either:

You are allowed to post

8

times during the first day,

5

times during the second, and

3

times in subsequent days.

Or

You are allowed to post

12

times during the first day,

9

times during the second, and

6

times in subsequent days.

This may or may not have been randomised for Town and Scum.

Votes count as a post.

Mod:

Nexus

Player List:

Antihuman
Lycanfire
Prof Hamm T Smiggles III
*
Umlaut
Not_Mafia
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
ZZZX
Edosurist
*
Socrates
*

Posts Today

Spoiler:

Alive:

Spoiler:

Dead:

Spoiler:

Nexus · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:55 am

Game Rules:

Rule 0: Don't be a dick.

- If you are being a dick, you run the risk of force-replacement or modkill. You may or may not be warned.

General:

- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread unless your role PM allows you to do so.
- Day phases will last 2 weeks maximum.
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM the mod.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- If you break any of these rules, you will probably be modkilled.

Voting/Player Actions:

- All votes must be in bold format: vote: Nexus for example.
- Try to unvote before voting. Unvotes must also be in bold.
- Any and all votes will be counted, if you wish to waste a day phase voting for someone not in the game,that's fine by me.
- You may vote No Lynch.
- Voting tricks are not acceptable. If you misspell someone's name intentionally, but I get the gist of it, the vote will count.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night. No other time.

Activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 48 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- Similarly, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.

Mechanics:

-

Blue

is my colour. Please don't use it.
- Confirm by how your Role PM tells you to once you are ready to play. Once there are 7 confirms, the game begins.
- Do not edit your posts.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography.
- The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If there is a hydra or an alt in the game, you must not post in your normal account. Doing so and then not quoting it as a hydra or an alt will invite a warning. Excessive failure to post as a hydra or an alt and not quoting it will result in force-replacement.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

Nexus · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:56 am

Roles have been randomised and PMs are being sent out. The game will begin when I get 7/9 confirmations.

Nexus · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:13 pm

Day 1 begins. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 10 days, at 6am BST on Sunday 7th May 2017 (expired on 2017-05-07 06:00:00)

Antihuman has 48 hours to confirm before he will be replaced.

If you break your post restriction - in the first instance you will be warned, and the second instance your slot will be modkilled.

Don't forget - votes count as a post.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:38 pm

Alright, so I'm going to start off by saying I'm allowed the 12 post restriction. With that I'll try to spread this out so I post at least once a day and I'll be doing spoilered posts on each player.

With this restriction, I think the optimal play here is for each player to always make a spoilered section on each player in the game.

The reason being with such limited amount of posting involved, associatives can be hard to find if a player only mentions a couple people.

With everyone talking about everyone, that leaves no room for the 2 scum to not talk about the other in their posts. This also means post!flip of a scum, we can associative hunt as they will have mentioned their scum butt.

Obviously I can't force compliance here but it's not hard to understand how it'd be anti-town to not give reads on each player with the limited amount of posting.

Now for RVS, I think are best bet, since we can't technically respond to each other since none of us posted yet, is to give out 2 or 3 names of people you wish to sort out, from there, we can decide a consensus of who we would all agree upon, give a reason why, and then once we all have given a reason to lynch or not to lynch a player, that is where we can start the spoiler posting on each player in the game.

As far as day start happens, there is no need to RVS-esqe it as we can make posts analyzing the day before and reporting on what we think on days before.

As of right now, the two or three people I'd like to sort are Not_Mafia, Lycan, and Edos.

Obviously if you're the second or third poster, you will be able to comment on this and we can actually start replying to each other by making your post contain analysis of the posters before you until we reach all 9 players posting.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:30 pm

RVS! VOTE: Edosurist

Edosurist · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:52 pm

Hello all. I have the 8-5-3 restriction. This works well because I'm out of town this weekend.

@Mod:

V/LA 4/28-4/30. I'll also add that I think it's hilarious that you decided to run this after all that went on in Fat Boy.

Gin is town here. His post is well-thought-out and I agree with the methodology he devised. It holds everyone to mentioning all other players and cuts down on the posting inefficiency of RVS.
That being said, I'm not a fan of NM's post. He's squandered the use of his post and not provided anything meaningful besides perhaps that I'm the only one on his list.
Sorry I gotta be a killjoy here

No RVS for you.

As for who I'd consider right now, I'll take NM, Umlaut, and Socrates.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

P.S. This post restriction is going to make it a pain if I ever realize I make a typo.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:24 pm

RVS is good, you're wrong

Antihuman · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:15 pm

Hi. I have 8 posts today so unless the mod wants us to break the game, it's surely randomized.
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and think N_M's actions are towny (as in: come from a relaxed town perspective). Surely he must be aware of the consequences his behavior would net him, considering how serious people are gonna take every single post. I doubt scum would put themselves out there like that.
I'm wary of Edos' premature assessment of Gin's alignment. I've seen scum start off with strats, allowing them to safely ride on the early towncred almost as often as town so I wouldn't say this is AI.
However, let's go with it ftm. I'll try to sort Edos, Umlaut and ZZZX.

8-1=7

Nexus · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:20 pm

If you use up all of your posts more than 48 hours before deadline, I will PM you to ensure you are still watching the game and inform the rest of the game via the next nearest VC that you are still paying attention.

Umlaut · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:15 am

I don't see any reason not to claim post limits. I am 8-5-3 restricted.

There are two things I'd like to add to the agenda.

Firstly:

I have some past experience with Not_Mafia and Lycanfire, though not much.

I played with Not_Mafia in Newbie 1661 and Open 679. I was scum in both; he was town in the former and scum in the latter.
I played with Lycanfire in Micro 634 and Micro 635. I was town in both; he was scum in the former and town in the latter.

As far as I can recall I have never been in a game with anyone else here.

I'd like everyone to say in their next post with whom they have experience playing,

so that we don't have to waste posts asking around for meta reads.

Secondly:

Absent a compelling reason to do otherwise,

I would like to default to lynching Not_Mafia today.

This isn't really about of his two posts today, but they do illustrate a point. Not_Mafia's meta is such that he can get away with blatantly anti-town behavior because people just say "lol, that's NM." See e.g. Open 679 linked above. His first post of the game was an immediate quickhammer on town. His second post of the game was

another

immediate quickhammer on town. He was briefly wagoned for this but in the end everyone just wrote it off as wacky hijinx. So he was never lynched, was not even seriously considered as a lynch candidate in lylo, and scum won a perfect victory.

I am not willing to allow the possibility of Not_Mafia trolling to a scum victory in this game. Until I have an actual strong scumread elsewhere and/or he towns up a

lot

, I am going to advocate his lynch.

VOTE: Not_Mafia (L-2)

Regarding the game so far:

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

made a solid introduction. I think his strategies are more or less correct:

I agree that we should skip RVS and go straight to reads, weak as they'll be.
I think it's at least reasonable to divide our labor and focus on sorting specific players. (Though we should immediately throw this plan out if we find ourselves telling people to mind their own business when they offer analysis of some other player.)
I agree that, since we are posting so little, there is no excuse not to include every player in every post.

Echoing Edo, I don't think having a nice intro post full of obviously correct advice is particularly alignment-indicative. I would like him to explain whether there is a reason he chose those three players in particular to sort.

Not_Mafia

is... well, you know.

Edosurist

's reads are very superficial. Granted that he's going off all of two posts, I don't see how a veteran player looks at a single tryhard intro post by TRGNT and and says "yep, that settles it, town." And while I don't expect Edosurist to be exactly townreading NM's posts, he should have enough experience with shitposting to more or less dismiss it. (Of course, conversely one could say "I don't see how a veteran player gets caught out so quickly as scum." I'm considering that too.) This is something to keep an eye on.

Antihuman

correctly calls out Edos' poorly-supported scumread on NM, but goes further and says he actively townreads NM. This should surprising, but I see it happen enough that don't want to read more into it than there really is. It's not a very good case but it could well be a towny one. I would also like him to explain any particular reasons he has for choosing those three players.

I'm going to attempt to sort LycanFire, Antihuman, and ZZZX. Lycanfire I chose for having what little meta I do with him; the other two are more or less arbitrary.

Prof Hamm T Smiggles III · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:22 am

Strategy stuff first: I think claiming our post limits only benefits scum as they try and manipulate vote timing for a mis-lynch. I also don't plan on limiting myself to 2-3 players for sorting. I see no reason why I cannot comment on all players in each post.

Gin's post should be considered NAI, and I don't like Edo's quick TR on the slot.

I can see NM doing this as either alignment, but absent a scum-read I will support a null-NM lynch over other nulls if he isn't going to provide info in his limited posts.

@Antihuman do you have experience playing with NM? If so, what here makes you think his behavior is towny?

I agree with everything Umlaut said in the reads part of his post.

To answer Umlaut's question, I recognize every player here except for ZZZX, Edosurist, & Socrates. So that means I've either played in a game with them with this or another account, or I've read one of their games somewhere. But the only player I have memorable experience with is NM, and I find him hard to read given his scummy by nature play-style.

VOTE: Edo for reasons stated and unstated.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:25 am

I haven't done anything anti-town, what info am I missing?

Lycanfire · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:37 am

12/9/6

In post 4, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Now for RVS, I think are best bet, since we can't technically respond to each other since none of us posted yet, is to give out 2 or 3 names of people you wish to sort out, from there, we can decide a consensus of who we would all agree upon, give a reason why, and then once we all have given a reason to lynch or not to lynch a player, that is where we can start the spoiler posting on each player in the game.

Agree on giving sort pools, would be scum as shit to enforce it on the first post.

In post 5, Not_Mafia wrote:RVS! VOTE: Edosurist

good vote

In post 6, Edosurist wrote:Hello all. I have the 8-5-3 restriction. This works well because I'm out of town this weekend.

@Mod:
V/LA 4/28-4/30. I'll also add that I think it's hilarious that you decided to run this after all that went on in Fat Boy.

Gin is town here. His post is well-thought-out and I agree with the methodology he devised. It holds everyone to mentioning all other players and cuts down on the posting inefficiency of RVS.
That being said, I'm not a fan of NM's post. He's squandered the use of his post and not provided anything meaningful besides perhaps that I'm the only one on his list.
Sorry I gotta be a killjoy here No RVS for you.

As for who I'd consider right now, I'll take NM, Umlaut, and Socrates.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

P.S. This post restriction is going to make it a pain if I ever realize I make a typo.

cuckpost

In post 8, Antihuman wrote:I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and think N_M's actions are towny (as in: come from a relaxed town perspective). Surely he must be aware of the consequences his behavior would net him, considering how serious people are gonna take every single post. I doubt scum would put themselves out there like that.

This is typical NM. His presence here is easily a mockery of this game.

In post 10, Umlaut wrote:
I'd like everyone to say in their next post with whom they have experience playing,
so that we don't have to waste posts asking around for meta reads.

nah

shit vote btw

In post 11, Prof Hamm T Smiggles III wrote:Strategy stuff first: I think claiming our post limits only benefits scum as they try and manipulate vote timing for a mis-lynch. I also don't plan on limiting myself to 2-3 players for sorting. I see no reason why I cannot comment on all players in each post.

claim it in next post or my next 11 posts are votes on you

VOTE: ZZZX GET IN

Socrates · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:32 am

Ahoy.

12/9/6

I've played with Not_Mafia, and it would probably be better to say that Lycan and Gin have seen

me

play, though I haven't really seen them play.

Prof does have a point that scum have an interest in killing the players with the most posts available to them to narrow the towns flexibility, especially as the game goes on. 8 posts might be enough for some breathing room day 1, but 5 and 3 posts are very hard limits to work with as the stakes escalate. I briefly considered lying about my restriction to surprise the scum come lylo (I like gambits, Gin and Lycan can probably attest to this), but it probably wouldn't benefit me much and I'm probably going to want to use these posts anyway.

That said, I do think all players should post their restriction. The mod said the distribution of restrictions MIGHT be randomized so we can't game that, but it will be good to know what everyone is working with and we should lock any potential liars in early.

Gin's opening was well thought out, and there's no harm in giving him some credit. The particularly pro-town mindset shown in his post is his concern about looking for associative tells, and putting some pressure on all players to talk about ALL other players is going to make the mafia's life harder, not just because of having to talk about their buddy, but it also makes it harder to be flexible about where they put their scum reads. He might just have these things on the mind because he IS scum, but if he fails to live up to his own standards it will bite him in the ass.

Edo's opening does nothing for me.

In post 8, Antihuman wrote:Hi. I have 8 posts today so unless the mod wants us to break the game, it's surely randomized.

Mind explaining this?

I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and think N_M's actions are towny (as in: come from a relaxed town perspective). Surely he must be aware of the consequences his behavior would net him, considering how serious people are gonna take every single post. I doubt scum would put themselves out there like that.

Have you played with Not_Mafia before?

I'm wary of Edos' premature assessment of Gin's alignment. I've seen scum start off with strats, allowing them to safely ride on the early towncred almost as often as town so I wouldn't say this is AI.
However, let's go with it ftm. I'll try to sort Edos, Umlaut and ZZZX.

8-1=7

Yeah, this is where my vote is starting.

VOTE: Antihuman

@Not_Mafia: feel like sharing your restriction?

Umlaut's vote is policy, and I will be watching to see if he is actually trying to sort NM or just wants the policy.

Neither Umlaut nor Antihuman are scum with NM.

Lycanfire wrote:
In post 10, Umlaut wrote:
I'd like everyone to say in their next post with whom they have experience playing,
so that we don't have to waste posts asking around for meta reads.
nah

Why not?

I want Anti, Lycan, and NM sorted.

Am I forgetting anything?

Oh yes:

PSA: Reserve your last post for a vote. You will note be able to move your vote anymore after making it.

ZZZX · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:06 pm

People I want to sort are Anti (assuming he is the same anti i recognize) and NM

I have the *8 restriction
Not much I have right now. But will make sure of the remaining posts more strategically

Edosurist · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:01 pm

I'll go ahead and post now that everyone's posted. Perhaps I should wait until Gin comments again just to maximize my posting efficiency, but I got things to do tonight.

I have played with ZZZX (I believe, no idea when though), Not_Mafia (I've misread him when he was town before), Gin very briefly, and possibly Socrates. The name rings a bell, but it could just have been some other MSer with another philosopher's name.

Spoiler: Not_Mafia

Spoiler: Antihuman

Spoiler: Umlaut

Spoiler: Prof Hamm T Smiggles III

Spoiler: Lycanfire

Spoiler: Socrates

Spoiler: ZZZX

tl;dr - My lynch list is now NM, ZZZX, and Lycan. Read what I said regarding NM and Prof Hamm. Also I agree with Socrates regarding Gin's post.

ZZZX · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:24 am

Antihuman

Spoiler:

Lycanfire

Spoiler:

Prof Hamm T Smiggles III

Spoiler:

Umlaut

Spoiler:

Not_Mafia

Spoiler:

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Spoiler:

Edosurist

Spoiler:

Socrates

Spoiler:

Also the thing about saving the last post for the vote is kinda crucial to take care off. Harder to pull of lynches

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:01 pm

AntiHuman, I haven't played a single game with him nor spectated.

Lycanfire, I just finished modding DBZA: Mafia Arrival to Namek, where he replaced in as scum. From what I observed there, as scum he will be posting a lot in the PT creating plans and this that or the other. As for his posting style, as a mod I didn't really much pay attention to his content but the game is easily available for me to look at. There was also a game I played with him where I was able to correctly town read his slot in a certain way. I'm not going to say what it was because I'm saving that to see how Lycan plays this game out.

Prof Hamm, I haven't played a single game with him nor spectated.

Umlaut, I've seen him in site chat

Not_Mafia, I've actually played two games with him, the first game was also my first game with Lycan, btw it was Spyro themed something. In that game we were actually neighbors and I didn't trust him at all but he was town. The other game I played with him was in Accounting Mafia and he was actually able to successfully lynch the last scum in MyLo.

For this very reason, I stress completely that N_M is not a useless player. Part of the reason I started out with N_M as my vote is because he is unfairly the easiest vote to put on and people can hide behind policy. The reason I'm policy testing is because last time I should have trusted my gut and caught scum after a post like this:
viewtopic.php?p=8659834#p8659834

In a micro where literally one lynch is Mylo causing, pushing policy is just scummy as shit, not sorry.

ZZZX, I haven't played a single game with him nor specated. Although he apparently remembers me but I have no idea

Edosurist, I've played with once in Fat Boy Mafia and he shared the link to that game. More on him later.

Socrates, honestly we never truly played together because I replaced out of the one we did but I've seen one scum game of his and one town game of his.

As for the player's post themselves this game

Spoiler: Antihuman

Spoiler: Lycanfire

Spoiler: Prof Hamm T Smiggles III

Spoiler: Umlaut

Spoiler: Not_Mafia

Spoiler: ZZZX

Spoiler: Edosurist

Spoiler: Socrates

Socrates · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:30 pm

Lurking is going to be an issue in this game, and the fact that individual posts are necessarily going to be longer than normal makes it so that drafting up a post will take more time, which is going to exasperate the problem, at least for me.

ZZZX hasn't contributed much, but I don't yet see a direct scum angle that he would be working toward other than trying to burn posts as an excuse to hang back.

ZZZX: Are you an alt? Because this is my fourth game back after a 6 year hiatus, before your account was even registered. You might be thinking of Aristophanes.

In post 18, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: Socrates, read Hamm.

This was in the ZZZX spoiler, but I'm assuming that was just an accident.

As I said, I can see where Hamm is coming from about when it comes to scum manipulating the player pool to push out the ones with the most words, even though I don't think it's the right approach. Other than that, her statements about other players were mostly safe, with nothing that truly raises an eyebrow, but it's no sin to, upon consideration, find oneself agreeing with the consensus. My read on her slot will be heavily predicated upon how she handles her next few posts, but I won't specify yet what I'm looking for because it would render the opportunity wasted.

---

First thing I'd like to say is to quickly discuss the thing I was talking about in the Anti part. I wished Socrates remembered Zefiend in DBZA as he started out talking about the dragon ball mechanics in the opening post and Music Box later rode the town cred to the end game.

As for his assessment of me, I think it was an overall fair assessment of me. What it does for me is make me think he doesn't know my alignment. He's waiting for further play to make judgements about me.

Well, lets be clear here: I never at any point townread Zefiend in that game, and in fact he was one of the three players I had issues with due to the way he handled the beginning of that game. There are key differences in his behavior and yours, though: his big numbers post was around 3 pages into the game, and there were plenty of things that were going on for him to be able to comment on, yet didn't, while yours was the first game-post of this entire game.

Secondly, his strategy talk was exclusively about hypotheticals for the night game and had nothing to do with the day game. Whereas yours was about how to handle the day game and I've already talked about how I sense a pro-town angle to your approach. Third, Zefiend himself admitted that he was really just stalling when I brought up the possibility. I am of course going to be watching to see whether you proceed to coast.

I do want explanation on why you voted Anti.
Add to that why Anti and umlaut are not with NM.

This is another way that this game's structure is probably going to cramp my style even though I tend to be a low volume poster. I like to poke, see the reactions to my poke, and then elaborate. I wanted to see Anti respond himself so I could see where his insecurities lay, but it's been a day and the lurking pressure of this game makes it hard for me factor timing into the equation.

Anti's townread on NM felt shallow and overly premature in a way that seemed to clash with the way he talked down Edo's quick townread on you (and I remind you that he townread him before NM made post 12, the source of your own read on NM.) It read to me like the words of scum who saw low-hanging fruit and is choosing to back off and let the town fall on it all on their own. And talking down your post is fine, but he did it in a very easy, generalized way that is not necessarily alignment indicative either way, regardless of how you feel about it personally.

He wouldn't town-read his potentially lynch-bait partner so quickly, and Umlaut would not come out of the gate seriously pushing a policy lynch on his partner. If they were buddies, I would expect him to voice the idea, but not put his money where his mouth was.

---

It occurs to me to note that Lycan voted ZZZX with an demand that he post, yet said nothing of the sort about me. In the back pocket that observation goes.

I will be sure to remind Edo to come back to that. Otherwise my only issue is him keeping his vote on NM purely for lack of reason to move it elsewhere. I share Gin's concern about NM being a 'safe' place for scum to park their vote early, but I can't deny that I will be watching NM with a close eye myself. I actually think his presence is a positive influence on this game, because he has already been a catalyst for discussion.

Nexus · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:06 am

Votecount 1.1:

Not_Mafia (3)

- TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Edosurist, Umlaut

Edosurist (2)

- Not_Mafia, Prof Hamm T Smiggles III

ZZZX (1)

- Lycanfire

Antihuman (1)

- Socrates

Not voting (2)

- ZZZX, Antihuman

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 10 days, at 6am BST on Sunday 7th May 2017 (expired on 2017-05-07 06:00:00).
Edosurist is v/la until 30th April.

Posts Today

Spoiler:

Lycanfire · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:19 am

In post 14, Socrates wrote:I briefly considered lying about my restriction to surprise the scum come lylo (I like gambits, Gin and Lycan can probably attest to this), but it probably wouldn't benefit me much and I'm probably going to want to use these posts anyway.

What you did in DBZA wasn't much of a gambit of more of a forcing move to leash the SK. We the scum team 100% believed the doc claim. Admitting to considering sneaky behavior doesn't earn you towncred and speaks about your mind set.

In post 16, Edosurist wrote:I have no real problem with this.

Low (no) effort scum post

In post 16, Edosurist wrote:Legit question: Is this sarcasm?

Legitimately a good vote

In post 16, Edosurist wrote:I also don't understand why you wouldn't want to give your history with the other players.

For the same reason I don't feel like sharing a sort pool on my first post. I already know who I've played with or observed. A fair few of these people don't know me. I'm more than capable of keeping these players in mind but I'm certainly not showing my hand on post 1 when we're in a modified RVS-feeling-each-other-out phase. That's an easy vomit-inducing way to railroad discussion on the most weakly perceived player before I get what

I

want out of this phase.

In post 17, ZZZX wrote:I didn't get your posts about NM, Are you town reading him? Scum reading him? Hate reading him? Can you try to rephrase it somewhat

I'm NMreading NM

In post 18, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Honestly, I dont want Lycan alive at the moment from his post 13.

I'm still here you know

you're doing a lot of talking about me and a lot less talking to me. From being someone in your sort pool you aren't trying hard to engage me.

played with

Umlaut
Not_Mafia
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
ZZZX
Socrates

spectated
Antihuman

no
Edosurist
Prof Hamm T Smiggles III

sortpool {zzzx, socrates, edosurist}

VOTE: Edosurist

I don't like how he agreed to everything Gin said in his post6 while simultaneously making a non RVS vote

In post 10, Umlaut wrote:Until I have an actual strong scumread elsewhere and/or he towns up a lot, I am going to advocate his lynch.

hope to see you do some scumhunting some time before may

Umlaut · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:32 pm

I know it's awful to prod-dodge with a finite number of posts, but I'm way overdue for a prod and lacking the energy to wall. If I don't make a real post tomorrow you should all get on my case about it.

I'll at least give a few bullet-points rather than just saying "prodge" and running away:

Socrates' point about TRGNT making life harder for himself if he were scum is well-received. On consideration I'm willing to give him a few points for this.
On that note, I'm liking Socrates' entry. His perspective is different enough from mine to be useful to me while also being easy for me to understand.
Not so much liking Lycan's and ZZZX's entries. Of the two I find Lycan worse, and in particular I feel like he's looking for a safe position on the NM thing. He's simultaneously calling his presence "a mockery of this game," criticizing my vote on him (but not anyone else's), and giving kind of a non-answer to ZZZX's followup request for a read there (while not at all chiming on on the PL proposal).
Re. "should we really policy-lynch?" Well, I don't know, but I think it's at least worth considering as a fallback plan if we can't reach a consensus. I've never actually seen NM's later town play, so I have to take it from TRGNT that he can be useful later if he's town. I will come out and say I don't think he's more likely to be scum than anyone else, but I despair of ever getting an actual read there.
I note that Socrates and TRGNT are a bit at odds on their reads of Antihuman. My first impression was closer to TRGNT's, but I am taking Socrates' points seriously here as well.

At the moment TRGNT and Socrates are my top candidates for town, and if I had to choose a lynch now it would be either Lycan or Not_Mafia.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:38 pm

Edo+ZZZX

ZZZX · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:35 pm

@sorc maybe I messed something up. I still remeber your name but a quick search shows there is no way we played together, huh weird

Also

NM is mafia, He didn't interact with me. I am ready to waste a post to vote him.

VOTE: Not Mafia

Also we need to decide on things faster for this game, And no I am not great with walls this early. Anything more than what I said will be fluff thats pointless. So yea.

Gamma Emerald	3
BlackVoid	2
Umlaut	4
Not_Mafia	3
TheRealGin-N-Tonic	3
Edosurist	2
Socrates	4