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In post 85, BTD6_maker wrote:Mod, I will be V/LA until the 25th.
In post 85, BTD6_maker wrote:Mod, I will be V/LA until the 25th.
In post 85, BTD6_maker wrote:Mod, I will be V/LA until the 25th.
Interesting how you thought that the scumteam was myself / Hiraki given I was your strongest townread up until that hammer.In post 128, Something_Smart wrote:Like in all honesty I thought the team was Draynth/Hiraki and I still do but choosing between BTD6 and Hiraki would have been MUCH easier than choosing between BTD6 and Draynth.
What?In post 131, Something_Smart wrote:We've already discussed how quickhammering is a scum move.
And 124 sounds like YOU knew Transcend was going to flip town.
I had a weird theory that you and Transcend were hard bussing each other. I've been playing this game like a normal game (Ie. that I'll have time to get lots of interactions / post-flip tells), where as I should be playing it purely on a 1/2 day basis. Based on that the theory seemed more likely than before, + I was tired of specifically asking Transcend to elaborate on his reads only for him to blatantly ignore me and vote himself.In post 132, Something_Smart wrote:Please explain the hammer now.
Why would I be scared?In post 132, Something_Smart wrote: Can you also tell me how afraid you were of getting vengekilled? (Both before the flip and after it)
I wasn't convinced he would flip town. But if he was scum, then what I said post-hammer meant literally nothing; whereas if he was town, then it could be very important.In post 133, Draynth wrote: What?'It's also interesting how SS doesn't even entertain the possiblitity that Transcend is Scum, it's as if he knows that the flip will be town. Food for thought'.I didn't know what the flip would be at this point, I highlighted the fact that you were convinced Transcend would flip Town.
You thought we were hard bussing each other? Where did I even indicate that I was scumreading him?I had a weird theory that you and Transcend were hard bussing each other. I've been playing this game like a normal game (Ie. that I'll have time to get lots of interactions / post-flip tells), where as I should be playing it purely on a 1/2 day basis. Based on that the theory seemed more likely than before, + I was tired of specifically asking Transcend to elaborate on his reads only for him to blatantly ignore me and vote himself.
Because you quickhammered, and we had already discussed that scum might quickhammer because even if they get killed it decreases town's EV from 50% to 33%.Why would I be scared?
It's frustrating that BTD isn't here
If you want to vote me you don't need BTD6's approval. Although you do need to explain why the hell you think the interactions between me and Hiraki were scum-scum...In post 134, Draynth wrote:Also I'm happy to Sheep Transcend's reads@BTD6_Maker, Let me know when you want to vote SS.
The main reason for the hammer was pure frustration towards Transcend. I voted Hiraki initially because that's who was number 1 on my lynch list, however since Transcend refused to answer any question I directed towards him I opted for the second on my list.In post 138, BTD6_maker wrote:I am starting to suspect Draynth.
Of course, scum would quickhammer even if it gets them killed as they would do anything to avoid a Day 1 scum lynch. Scum need to take the opportunities. For example, if Draynth did not hammer (very soon after Transcend self-voted) that would run the risk of Transcend unvoting, in which case a Hiraki lynch was definitely possible. The Hiraki vote and unvote may be them just realising they can hammer, or it may be planned, to try to divert suspicion (Transcend Townread them, so even if they hammered they probably wouldn't die, and as we saw Transcend killed Hiraki instead).
Scum Draynth would be likely to pull off that hammer. I am wondering whether Town Draynth would do the same or not.
Draynth refused the pairing method even if they got to make the pairings. I see this as a Townish response. Scum would probably be likely to set up pairings without any further comments (if Town makes pairings it benefits Town but if scum makes pairings it benefits scum) whereas Town is likely to be more cautious and suspicious, thinking that even if they are Town we do not know that, and thus we will suspect them. Draynth's response reads like a cautious Townie who is being aware of people who may be trying to manipulate them and also bearing in mind that others will also be suspicious of people they think are trying to manipulate them. Scum Draynth would probably refuse pairings which they know are detrimental to scum, claiming suspicion, and then being OK with pairings when made by themselves as they are "confirmed" to themselves.In post 102, Draynth wrote:I look forward to this.In post 97, BTD6_maker wrote: I can understand the joke about "caught btd" but on reading again it seems slightly suspicious that he made it twice, as if he is trying to make too much out of it, reacting particularly strongly to a joke. This pings me slightly but I may be reading too much into this (as I may have been with seeing White Flag Gambits in the first few posts). Based on that, this is very weak but it is worth remembering in the future. I will say more later.Ultimately the issue still remains that you 4 have no idea if I'm simply manipulating you by using numbers to trick you or not.In post 97, BTD6_maker wrote: By the way, Draynth, I can understand what you mean about being suspicious of the pairing method. I suppose it does indeed work better the Townier the person making the pairing is (if Town makes pairings it benefits Town but if scum makes pairings is benefits scum). I suggested it because I know I am Town (and when it was developed, it was always the person who proposed the method who would exclude themselves) but ideally it would work best when done by someone who is Townread by everyone. In that case, everyone seems to Townread you so if you were pairing, who would you pair?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to be this simple and I just list two pairs and we vote someone and that settles it, but I think it would be unfair.
The game has drawn to a standstill because SS/Hiraki are arguing over a point which is fundamentally useless to argue over, and Transcend / BTD6 are pretty much only responding when they are specifically referenced (With the exception of Transcend's post(s) a day or two ago) although BTD6 is V/LA so it's understandable. I'm not gonna call people out for lurking when they've got stuff going on IRL.
I'm going to post a full readslist and I want people to engage with it; tell me if they agree and why and if they disagree and why.
That was mostly to see how you would react actuallyIn post 140, Something_Smart wrote:I thought it was because you thought Transcend was scum with me?
Not a whole lot, I mostly wanted to see whether you would flat out call it crap or if you would try to prove it was crap.
At this stage I am somewhat suspicious of both of you, but I currently suspect SS over you. Either of you could be scum, but SS seems more likely. This is partly due to the interactions with Hiraki. It is certainly possible that the "discrediting" argument was staged, and it could easily have been planned as Mafia have daytalk. Hiraki voted SS. Again, this could be a setup for a White Flag Gambit as here Hiraki was voting SS throughout Day 1. In general, White Flag Gambits are not that useful when you do them for a very short amount of time, but if done for a long period of time they can be effective. (This is why the possible White Flag Gambits near the start were all only very weakly AI). No one else voted SS so there was not that much risk. According to game theory, optimally scum will bus less often than randomly so voting scum is slightly Townish but on this site scum tend to bus more often than optimally.In post 144, Draynth wrote:Not a whole lot, I mostly wanted to see whether you would flat out call it crap or if you would try to prove it was crap.
Anyway,@BTD6_Maker
Right now I believe you to be town over Something_Smart, so what are your thoughts at this point?