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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:24 pm

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I am leaving the site. goodbye. at least for a few months


Goodbye momo. Hope to see you back again. -Tenshii
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:33 pm

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bye momo
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:34 pm

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VOTE: hiraki

he isn't town
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:59 pm

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In post 24, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 20, Hiraki wrote:how do you TR Something??? draynath i get but something???
*ping*
no, i was asking a question - fuq off wit ur pings
In post 27, Transcend wrote:he isn't town
caught, gg btd, we tried so hard :'(

Are you going to explain how you TR Something then?
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 3:12 pm

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because i think he's town and i don't like the way you've posted so far
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 3:15 pm

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i should've figured asking you a question would get me nowhere regardless of your alignment
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 3:50 pm

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Votecount 1.1[L-2] Transcend - Transcend

Not voting: Draynth, Something_Smart, BTD6_maker, Hiraki

With 5 alive, a majority vote is decided with 3 players.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-05-31 14:10:00)
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 6:40 pm

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mod im voting hiraki not myself lol

My bad. I'll make a new votecount. -Tenshii
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 8:17 pm

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Votecount 1.1[L-2] Hiraki - Transcend

Not voting: Draynth, Something_Smart, BTD6_maker, Hiraki

With 5 alive, a majority vote is decided with 3 players.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-05-31 14:10:00)
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed May 17, 2017 9:08 pm

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In post 29, Transcend wrote:because i think he's town and i don't like the way you've posted so far
Mind elaborating?
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 12:01 am

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In post 34, Draynth wrote:
In post 29, Transcend wrote:because i think he's town and i don't like the way you've posted so far
Mind elaborating?
On both points that is.
Specifically, why do you think Something_Smart is town?
What don't you like about the way he's been posting? Why does this fact lead you to believe he is scum?
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 12:31 am

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In post 5, Transcend wrote:VOTE: ss
From reading what has happened, something seems to be at least a bit suspicious. Transcend's naked vote on SS, which was L-1, seems to be essentially a White Flag Gambit. Such a gambit can easily be performed by scum, as at that stage Transcend could easily be Townread and there would be very little chance of the lynch actually going through. Transcend could also self-vote and know that they are highly unlikely to be hammered. For this reason, Transcend/SS looks like a likely pair.

Perhaps we could try the pairing method.
Transcend/Draynth
SS/Hiraki
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 12:43 am

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In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 5, Transcend wrote:VOTE: ss
From reading what has happened, something seems to be at least a bit suspicious. Transcend's naked vote on SS, which was L-1, seems to be essentially a White Flag Gambit. Such a gambit can easily be performed by scum, as
at that stage Transcend could easily be Townread and there would be very little chance of the lynch actually going through
Mind explaining the bolded part? It was his first post, how would he be townread?
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote: Transcend could also self-vote and know that they are highly unlikely to be hammered. For this reason, Transcend/SS looks like a likely pair.

Perhaps we could try the pairing method.
Transcend/Draynth
SS/Hiraki
I like the part about the self vote. If transcend is scum, then they are either going to be hammered by their scum partner (earning them credibility) or a townie who will inevitably be screwed after that.

I don't understand 'the pairing method'. You say that Transcend/SS is a likely pair (I'd like more on that please) yet you also say that Transcend/Draynth is a thing?
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 12:47 am

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In post 37, Draynth wrote:
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 5, Transcend wrote:VOTE: ss
From reading what has happened, something seems to be at least a bit suspicious. Transcend's naked vote on SS, which was L-1, seems to be essentially a White Flag Gambit. Such a gambit can easily be performed by scum, as
at that stage Transcend could easily be Townread and there would be very little chance of the lynch actually going through
Mind explaining the bolded part? It was his first post, how would he be townread?
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote: Transcend could also self-vote and know that they are highly unlikely to be hammered. For this reason, Transcend/SS looks like a likely pair.

Perhaps we could try the pairing method.
Transcend/Draynth
SS/Hiraki
I like the part about the self vote. If transcend is scum, then they are either going to be hammered by their scum partner (earning them credibility) or a townie who will inevitably be screwed after that.

I don't understand 'the pairing method'. You say that Transcend/SS is a likely pair (I'd like more on that please) yet you also say that Transcend/Draynth is a thing?
If Transcend is scum, they really do not want to be hammered. If scum is lynched on Day 1, they lose.

The pairing method is basically this:

I divide the other four players into two pairs, and if we lynch a Townie in one of the pairs they kill hte other member of the pair. For example, if we lynch you and you are Town, you would shoot Transcend by this pairing method.

The aim is to get the scum team in two different pairs, which guarantees that even if we mislynch a Townie outside a pair they will kill scum so we don't instantly lose.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 12:52 am

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In post 37, Draynth wrote:
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 5, Transcend wrote:VOTE: ss
From reading what has happened, something seems to be at least a bit suspicious. Transcend's naked vote on SS, which was L-1, seems to be essentially a White Flag Gambit. Such a gambit can easily be performed by scum, as
at that stage Transcend could easily be Townread and there would be very little chance of the lynch actually going through
Mind explaining the bolded part? It was his first post, how would he be townread?
It's the principle behind the White Flag Gambit. Basically, if everyone knows that if scum is lynched scum will lose instantly (for example here), they may be inclined to regard a scum pair as unlikely if one of them puts the other to L-1. This is because it would be very risky for scum to do this, allowing a hammer which ends the game. The White Flag Gambit is basically doing just that so that Town thinks the pair is unlikely. While it is risky, here Transcend did it when there was very little chance of it failing and actually getting SS lynched, so it seems that he tried to use the White Flag Gambit and minimise the risk at the same time, which ultimately makes it less effective.

VOTE: Transcend
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 1:01 am

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In post 38, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 37, Draynth wrote:
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 5, Transcend wrote:VOTE: ss
From reading what has happened, something seems to be at least a bit suspicious. Transcend's naked vote on SS, which was L-1, seems to be essentially a White Flag Gambit. Such a gambit can easily be performed by scum, as
at that stage Transcend could easily be Townread and there would be very little chance of the lynch actually going through
Mind explaining the bolded part? It was his first post, how would he be townread?
In post 36, BTD6_maker wrote: Transcend could also self-vote and know that they are highly unlikely to be hammered. For this reason, Transcend/SS looks like a likely pair.

Perhaps we could try the pairing method.
Transcend/Draynth
SS/Hiraki
I like the part about the self vote. If transcend is scum, then they are either going to be hammered by their scum partner (earning them credibility) or a townie who will inevitably be screwed after that.

I don't understand 'the pairing method'. You say that Transcend/SS is a likely pair (I'd like more on that please) yet you also say that Transcend/Draynth is a thing?
If Transcend is scum, they really do not want to be hammered. If scum is lynched on Day 1, they lose.

The pairing method is basically this:

I divide the other four players into two pairs, and if we lynch a Townie in one of the pairs they kill hte other member of the pair. For example, if we lynch you and you are Town, you would shoot Transcend by this pairing method.

The aim is to get the scum team in two different pairs, which guarantees that even if we mislynch a Townie outside a pair they will kill scum so we don't instantly lose.
Hmm, thanks for explaining
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 1:03 am

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BT6, what are your reads so far (if any) on SS and Hiraki?
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 1:16 am

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SS is a weak scumread, but this read is mostly contingent on Transcend being scum.

Hiraki is very weak Town, but more due to the way Transcend is voting him without reasons. I think that if Transcend/Hiraki was the scumteam, Teanscend may have been more likely to vote second, to make it a more visible White Flag Gambit.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 1:24 am

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In post 42, BTD6_maker wrote:SS is a weak scumread, but this read is mostly contingent on Transcend being scum.

Hiraki is very weak Town, but more due to the way Transcend is voting him without reasons. I think that if Transcend/Hiraki was the scumteam, Teanscend may have been more likely to vote second, to make it a more visible White Flag Gambit.
I want to come back to this later, but noted for now.

@Something_Smart, who do you think are the scum pair and why?
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 4:54 am

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BTD6/Hiraki because
king doggo is always right
you are obvtown, Hiraki pings me and BTD6 is awkward as hell.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 5:13 am

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In post 44, Something_Smart wrote:Hiraki pings me
what do you mean by that?
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 6:17 am

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VOTE: btd6
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 6:41 am

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In post 46, Transcend wrote:VOTE: btd6
Is that an OMGUS vote or an actual vote (I'm not asking for your reasoning, just that you have some)
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 6:46 am

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Posts are weird

Pre flip associations are bad

Don't think they're genuine
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu May 18, 2017 6:53 am

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In post 48, Transcend wrote:Posts are weird

Pre flip associations are bad

Don't think they're genuine
Interesting, I was thinking the same thing.

Even if BTD is town (right now I don't think he is) it's still a tossup as to whether this 'pairing method' works or not. There's a 50/50 chance of getting 1 scum 1 town on each team, and 2 scum / 2 town respectively (If BTD is town).
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