Micro 713: 5p Vengeful (Endgame)

[MortFeld]

NF never says it's PoE and gives a positive non-PoE reason for each. Are you not reading?

Yes, after I asked him to.

I thought this was wrong originally but I looked back and it was not. 103 came before you asked but it doesn't support me being locktown.

Hm I don't disagree here. Though I find it funny that you use this sort of argument while shooting down an argument I've made of a similar form.

Infinity and NF are not scum together.

Vij and NF are likely not scum together.

What similar argument did you make?

Why can't vij and NF be the scumteam? That would be my pick for the scumteam if you're town, which is seeking more likely tbh. You've gotten better since 36 and vij has given nothing.

Similar argument - where I said that part of my ASP scumread came from a feeling that he was just throwing out a vote because that's what townies do. Despite there being multiple ways to interpret NF's 117, some of them from town!NF, you think one is most likely and you base this on a feeling.

Vij/NF being unlikely - I somehow categorized Vij as voting NF in my memory and ported the idea from the beginning of 136 to NF instead of you. Dang. This is what happens when you play on mobile. Vij/NF is more possible? I'll need to check that out.

What do you think about 107?

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Again, why? Locktown based on 'tone' is very easy to hide behind.

Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other

But then we should lynch Vij or ASP in this scenario, right?

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Infinity, if you're town and you scum read me and someone other than Mort, shoot that other person. I can be lynched the next day, but shoot that other person.

(notice how this move only leaves me + mort as a game losing scum team).

Notice how that is one of the two scumteams I think is most likely.

You are clearly not understanding NF's point here.

[Infinity 324]

What do you think about 107?

It could be disengaged town, but I don't like it.

What is NF's point that I'm missing?

[Not Fury]

That's great if you and mort are both town. So completely irrelevant for me.

I mean, I don't give a shit what you think.

Just shoot who I tell you to if you're town. Got it?

[Not Fury]

Hm I don't disagree here. Though I find it funny that you use this sort of argument while shooting down an argument I've made of a similar form.

Infinity and NF are not scum together.

Vij and NF are likely not scum together.

What similar argument did you make?

Why can't vij and NF be the scumteam? That would be my pick for the scumteam if you're town, which is seeking more likely tbh

. You've gotten better since 36 and vij has given nothing.

Green is in reference to calling Mort town.

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Infinity, if you're town and you scum read me and someone other than Mort, shoot that other person. I can be lynched the next day, but shoot that other person.

(notice how this move only leaves me + mort as a game losing scum team)

.

Notice how that is one of the two scumteams I think is most likely

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Red calls Mort + me likely scum

You legit flip flopped within 5 posts. Five posts. Cinco posts. Roman numeral style: V posts. 5 posts.

Decide on a read for Mort. Is he town or is he scum? I'm saying I'll never lynch him.

[Not Fury]

Mort, be quiet. You're town.

[Not Fury]

By the way, what do you mean "lock town on tone alone is easy to hide behind?" Vengeful mafia is beautiful because you have nothing to base your reads off of except for "feelings." I feel like I don't have to say this, but if you lynch me (what infinity wants), then I'm going to 100% every single fucking time shoot infinity.

Since I'm town, then infinity - if you're town - take the rope like a good sacrifice and shoot ASP or Vij. Thanks bruh.

[Not Fury]

It's kinda annoying when obvscum retaliates to a lynch by calling me scum. Maybe I'm being too crass, but I'm getting annoyed especially since we're 1 vote from winning.

[Not Fury]

ASP was lock scum from his first post imo

I scumread ASP but this is very bad.

He was though. Did you read his first post? He literally claimed mafia goon.

[Not Fury]

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

in order of increasing likelihood of being scum:
{ASP}
{Infinity}
{Vij}
{Mort}

Though, if any one of the top 3 are scum, then shoot someone else in the top 3 and lynch the last member next day. I've found my 1 lock town this game and that's Mort. I'm town, so the game can only end like this:

Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other

Infinity flips town -> Shoot Vij or ASP (whoever you scum read the most) - > Lynch the other next day.

Some situations leave me to 1v1 in LYLO and I'm fine with that. Based on my current read, I'm not voting mort all game.

You may ask: Why vote Infinity if ASP is highest scum?
A: If he flips town, it doesn't matter (see above flow chart). I think he'll flip Godfather though.

Everyone read this post though until you understand it. If Mort and I are town, then it's a 100% win.

[Vijarada]

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

in order of increasing likelihood of being scum:
{ASP}
{Infinity}
{Vij}
{Mort}

Though, if any one of the top 3 are scum, then shoot someone else in the top 3 and lynch the last member next day. I've found my 1 lock town this game and that's Mort. I'm town, so the game can only end like this:

Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other

Infinity flips town -> Shoot Vij or ASP (whoever you scum read the most) - > Lynch the other next day.

Some situations leave me to 1v1 in LYLO and I'm fine with that. Based on my current read, I'm not voting mort all game.

You may ask: Why vote Infinity if ASP is highest scum?
A: If he flips town, it doesn't matter (see above flow chart). I think he'll flip Godfather though.

Everyone read this post though until you understand it. If Mort and I are town, then it's a 100% win.

"hi i'm picking two random people, if they're town we can kill the other three and we win"

you are a genius of the highest order.

[Vijarada]

Hm I don't disagree here. Though I find it funny that you use this sort of argument while shooting down an argument I've made of a similar form.

Infinity and NF are not scum together.

Vij and NF are likely not scum together.

What similar argument did you make?

Why can't vij and NF be the scumteam? That would be my pick for the scumteam if you're town, which is seeking more likely tbh

. You've gotten better since 36 and vij has given nothing.

Green is in reference to calling Mort town.

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Infinity, if you're town and you scum read me and someone other than Mort, shoot that other person. I can be lynched the next day, but shoot that other person.

(notice how this move only leaves me + mort as a game losing scum team)

.

Notice how that is one of the two scumteams I think is most likely

.

Red calls Mort + me likely scum

You legit flip flopped within 5 posts. Five posts. Cinco posts. Roman numeral style: V posts. 5 posts.

Decide on a read for Mort. Is he town or is he scum? I'm saying I'll never lynch him.

this is not even inconsistent in any way i recommend you start reading posts and thinking about them.

[Vijarada]

Vij is lock town via tone

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

6 posts count 'em. VI. 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9bk6t4cLc.

Honestly I think NF is scum here, him coming in saying "wow i have an insta-win plan" and it being completely useless and nothing, him saying "eh I could see vij scum" when other people said it, him just...yeah and I agree with inf's post about his tone after he "solved the game", its bad. I don't think this guy is scum with inf so this is a total backflip but look i have glasses so i'm smart I guess.

VOTE: Not fury

[Infinity 324]

That's great if you and mort are both town. So completely irrelevant for me.

I mean, I don't give a shit what you think.

Just shoot who I tell you to if you're town. Got it?

lolno

[Infinity 324]

Hm I don't disagree here. Though I find it funny that you use this sort of argument while shooting down an argument I've made of a similar form.

Infinity and NF are not scum together.

Vij and NF are likely not scum together.

What similar argument did you make?

Why can't vij and NF be the scumteam? That would be my pick for the scumteam if you're town, which is seeking more likely tbh

. You've gotten better since 36 and vij has given nothing.

Green is in reference to calling Mort town.

Alright I'm confident that Mort is town.

Infinity, if you're town and you scum read me and someone other than Mort, shoot that other person. I can be lynched the next day, but shoot that other person.

(notice how this move only leaves me + mort as a game losing scum team)

.

Notice how that is one of the two scumteams I think is most likely

.

Red calls Mort + me likely scum

You legit flip flopped within 5 posts. Five posts. Cinco posts. Roman numeral style: V posts. 5 posts.

Decide on a read for Mort. Is he town or is he scum? I'm saying I'll never lynch him.

My view on the gamestate is not that complicated. I think you are scum with one of vij or mort. I think vij is slightly more likely at this point. My read on mort is totally consistent with that, and if you really cared about figuring me out you would know that from my posts. "Slight lean town" if you have to put a phrase on it.

[Infinity 324]

Mort, be quiet. You're town.

lolol

Pocketing not working out for you?

[Infinity 324]

I love how much effort not fury is putting into the situation where I am town yet at the same time calls me obvscum. Of course, he's still making no effort to convince me, he's just telling me to do stuff pretending he thinks I'll listen.

[Infinity 324]

Vij is lock town via tone

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

6 posts count 'em. VI. 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9bk6t4cLc.

Honestly I think NF is scum here, him coming in saying "wow i have an insta-win plan" and it being completely useless and nothing, him saying "eh I could see vij scum" when other people said it, him just...yeah and I agree with inf's post about his tone after he "solved the game", its bad. I don't think this guy is scum with inf so this is a total backflip but look i have glasses so i'm smart I guess.

VOTE: Not fury

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I think if vij was scum with notfury it'd be relatively easy to save him here. He'd also appear more consistent in his thought process. So either: notfury made 154 deliberately to make it look like he was pocketing mortfeld, or vij is being an idiot, or notfury is hardbussing ASP.

Let's hope he's the godfather I guess.

[Not Fury]

I don't have time to mince words atm, so Mort hammer infinity before ASP comes back.

Top scum read in the game has ability to hammer :^)

[RadiantCowbells]

Votecount 1.07:

Not Fury (2): Infinity 324, Vijarada
MortFeld (1): A Simple Plan
Infinity 324 (1): Not Fury
A Simple Plan (0):
Vijarada (0):

Not Voting: MortFeld

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.

Sorry for bad votecounting.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: Not fury

@RC

[A Simple Plan]

Whoops, shit, I got confused based on ongoing-y reasons. Hold on.

[RadiantCowbells]

Gotcha. mb.

[A Simple Plan]

That's great if you and mort are both town. So completely irrelevant for me.

I mean, I don't give a shit what you think.

Just shoot who I tell you to if you're town. Got it?

Lolwut

Mort, be quiet. You're town.

So one, there's no guarantee that's the case. Two, what the heck kind of post is this regardless of alignment for both of you?

By the way, what do you mean "lock town on tone alone is easy to hide behind?" Vengeful mafia is beautiful because you have nothing to base your reads off of except for "feelings." I feel like I don't have to say this, but if you lynch me (what infinity wants), then I'm going to 100% every single fucking time shoot infinity.

Since I'm town, then infinity - if you're town - take the rope like a good sacrifice and shoot ASP or Vij. Thanks bruh.

Like he's gonna listen? Your play this page alone is bad enough to warrant a lynch. You're not Town leader. You're probably not even Town. Stop acting like it.

It's kinda annoying when obvscum retaliates to a lynch by calling me scum. Maybe I'm being too crass, but I'm getting annoyed especially since we're 1 vote from winning.

Alright I'm starting to see arguments for scum Vij.

in order of increasing likelihood of being scum:
{ASP}
{Infinity}
{Vij}
{Mort}

Though, if any one of the top 3 are scum, then shoot someone else in the top 3 and lynch the last member next day. I've found my 1 lock town this game and that's Mort. I'm town, so the game can only end like this:

Infinity flips Godfather = gg
Infinity flips goon -> lynch one of Vij/ASP(pref ASP) -> if town flip, then shoot the other

Infinity flips town -> Shoot Vij or ASP (whoever you scum read the most) - > Lynch the other next day.

Some situations leave me to 1v1 in LYLO and I'm fine with that. Based on my current read, I'm not voting mort all game.

You may ask: Why vote Infinity if ASP is highest scum?
A: If he flips town, it doesn't matter (see above flow chart). I think he'll flip Godfather though.

Everyone read this post though until you understand it. If Mort and I are town, then it's a 100% win.

And between your scumplay and my early suspicions of Mort, I'd label it far more likely you're both scum.

[A Simple Plan]

Votecount 1.07:

Not Fury (2): Infinity 324, Not Fury
Infinity 324 (1): Vijarada
MortFeld (1): A Simple Plan
A Simple Plan (0):
Vijarada (0):


Not Voting: MortFeld

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.

zzz

VOTE: Not fury

@RC

Gotcha. mb.

Mod

that's Vij voting NF, not NF. NF is on Inf.

Either way, NF deserves the hammer here.

VOTE: Not Fury

[RadiantCowbells]

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