In post 697, Vedith wrote:I don't care if I look scummy.
Fact is, I was most likely Dray's target. Meaning that I did not make the night kill at least, meaning I have the least chance of flipping scum here.
So tell me, why should I not consider you as scum right now?
It's really on you to say why you should consider me as scum, which you have yet to do.
In post 488, BTD6_maker wrote:I mostly agree with this. Dany has been rather inconsistent. For the first point, I can see why they think that not giving reasoning is scummy but if they believe that, they should agree. They believe that stating reasons is pro-Town therefore it will benefit Town if they state reasons therefore they should state reasons. Their justification for not stating reasons does not make sense. Reaction tests are also generally ineffective and if, in doing so, you contradict something you claim to believe, it can easily be picked up on.
The second quote exemplifies this. If you have certain standards, you are expected to follow them. It is not different if you do something.
The third and fourth quotes are fine. It is possible for Townies to have gut reads that you cannot pin down reasons for. However, when your read is strong enough to warrant a vote, reasoning is expected.
Currently, I scumread Dany as well as SS.
In post 529, BTD6_maker wrote:You have given some answers, but they are unsatisfactory. You are essentially denying the argument without actually refuting it. You are also using misrep in these posts. For example, when Draynth clearly has multiple reasons for voting you and pushes the fact that you flip-flopped, you claim that Draynth is changing reasons in short succession, with the implication that they are just making them up on the spot, which I doubt.
You still haven't answered this one:
"Why would you do what you scumread someone for, if you are just trying to see whether you will be scumread? Would someone scumreading you for not giving reasons (when you scumread others for the same) be indicative of Town or scum?"
I'm not sure how to think of these. BTD is voting SS but not pushing, while having more focus on Dany but not voting.
I didn't vote because I read SS and Dany as being approximately equally scummy. At that point, I was just focusing on Dany for the moment because I was looking for answers to those questions, in order to see whether Dany was truly being inconsistent.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
In post 710, Alchemist21 wrote:I was wondering what the chances of a BTD/Dany team were but since that vote happened I guess it's extremely unlikely at this point.
Why?
It just means that there is scum in BTD/Dany if not both.
Do you think it's unlikely that BTD would be sacrificed here as an obvious scum target?
In post 716, Something_Smart wrote:BTD6 hasn't done anything towny. I cut them way too much slack in the last game I played with them and that was a mistake.
Maybe it's not a mistake here, but I don't think that BTD6 really deserves to live another day. (I didn't think so yesterday either)
Although this proves my previous post point, this is a poor way of thinking about it.
In post 717, Vedith wrote:Do you think it's unlikely that BTD would be sacrificed here
Kinda. I don't know why they'd go for their partner first instead of naming a Town partner and going for that. It could be that they're a team and this is their plan, but the vote came after you said something to Dany which makes it seem more unlikely to me.
Why so?
I had BTD in 2 of the scum teams.
He also put himself in a possition where I called him out for having BTD as scum 100% and forced him to vote.
As I said though, we have scum in either Dany or BTD if not both.
I would personally pick Dany over BTD if I had to right now.
It just seems weird to me that scum needed only a slight poke to vote their buddy. Although if you do consider the 100% thing then maybe it makes sense.
Just on carryover from yesterday I'd lean toward Dany. Thing is I'm trying to figure out who makes sense as a team with either of them and that's where things are getting tricky.
I've already ruled out SS/BTD as a pair. SS/Dany was something I considered a while back, but there was a game-wide consensus on them which made me start thinking that was way off. I don't think SS can be partners with you for the way he's hounded you about re-reading me. That plus his Towny behaviour lately puts him off the table for me, so its an issue of figuring out what pair of Vedith/BTD/Dany makes sense. Part of what makes ruling your slot out of any teams difficult is that we let Gamma go for so long without giving proper reads so we only have your content to go on. The odds that you're scum keep going up imo, and I'm trying to figure out which of the other 2 makes sense as a partner or if I'm wrong on my first assumption and the team is BTD/Dany.
Is that a scumclaim from you? Just because you had that Townread on BTD doesn't make you partners automatically. And don't you dare call my reads fake when getting any reasoning from you has been an uphill battle.
I'm calling your reads fake. Because they are.
If you truly believed BTD as Scum you would think me not Dany, plus you argued Dany's motive to vote him. Yet you would vote Dany over BTD.