Expanding on Keychain's question, where you aware that PM was at L-1? If so, why did you put him there without announcing it?
In post 48, Gorny wrote:Yes I do think Dunn's posting is suspicious. I had considered asking if post restrictions was allowed or not based on the rules, but then realized, I might not get an answer from the mod either way. So I can't be sure. I've seen post restrictions before, but never saw a rule in a game allowing them or not, so you never know when someone is faking it.
I don't think you can have a post restriction in an open setup without it being part of the rules of that set up, because a post restriction is part of your role.
In post 49, Keychain wrote:So to clarify - you think it's suspicious because it could be feigning a post restriction? I can see that.
However I think the actions he's taken and points he's made have been reasonably towny, regardless of whether he expressed them in pictures or words.
What about what Dunn has "said" has been towny to you?
Expanding on Keychain's question, where you aware that PM was at L-1? If so, why did you put him there without announcing it?
In post 48, Gorny wrote:Yes I do think Dunn's posting is suspicious. I had considered asking if post restrictions was allowed or not based on the rules, but then realized, I might not get an answer from the mod either way. So I can't be sure. I've seen post restrictions before, but never saw a rule in a game allowing them or not, so you never know when someone is faking it.
I don't think you can have a post restriction in an open setup without it being part of the rules of that set up, because a post restriction is part of your role.
In post 49, Keychain wrote:So to clarify - you think it's suspicious because it could be feigning a post restriction? I can see that.
However I think the actions he's taken and points he's made have been reasonably towny, regardless of whether he expressed them in pictures or words.
What about what Dunn has "said" has been towny to you?
As t the bolded: I've played games where post restrictions could be inflicted by a player onto another player (through the mod) and not mentioned in the rules if there was or was not a post restriction in game. So I can never be sure one way or the other.
Expanding on Keychain's question, where you aware that PM was at L-1? If so, why did you put him there without announcing it?
In post 48, Gorny wrote:Yes I do think Dunn's posting is suspicious. I had considered asking if post restrictions was allowed or not based on the rules, but then realized, I might not get an answer from the mod either way. So I can't be sure. I've seen post restrictions before, but never saw a rule in a game allowing them or not, so you never know when someone is faking it.
I don't think you can have a post restriction in an open setup without it being part of the rules of that set up, because a post restriction is part of your role.
In post 49, Keychain wrote:So to clarify - you think it's suspicious because it could be feigning a post restriction? I can see that.
However I think the actions he's taken and points he's made have been reasonably towny, regardless of whether he expressed them in pictures or words.
What about what Dunn has "said" has been towny to you?
As t the bolded: I've played games where post restrictions could be inflicted by a player onto another player (through the mod) and not mentioned in the rules if there was or was not a post restriction in game. So I can never be sure one way or the other.
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I don't think that would be an open setup. We know what all the roles in the game are. It's just Mafia, Vanilla Townies, and Chosen Townies.
In post 51, tman2nd wrote:
What about what Dunn has "said" has been towny to you?
Mostly pointing out the contradiction in what you said regarding unannounced L-1 votes, in 29.
Being first to unvote away from L-1, twice, makes me feel like he's conscious of the possibility of a quickhammer.
Actually Dunn can you get more specific on what you're pointing out in 35?
Are we going to play twenty questions so I can work out exactly what you mean? I'm up for that.
So he gave LUV a free pass for not noticing, despite saying that the point of announcing L-1 was that scum wouldn't be able to pretend they didn't notice?
That's what I'm seeing, at least.
Or more of a general "why is it okay to not announce L-1 when you don't notice" kind of thing?
In the first post, I'm talking about the reason why I'm not worried about someone being at L-1 if people know that that's the case.
In the second post, I was saying that the reason I hadn't voted LUV for putting someone at L-1 unannounced was because It seemed like they had already acknowledged that that had happened, so I didn't have any reason to push in that direction. With Bulbazoor, they put PM at L-1 didn't say anything, and still hasn't said anything about it.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
@Mod: Request for Dunn to communicate using words.
At the moment I don't see anything that merits an adjustment to the rules.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
I do not see a problem with Dunn's pictures at the moment. The only problem I do have right now, is Bulbafake's lack of reasoning for his actions. Just one liners with some points, without going into detail.
And... that's it. No reasoning, no other addition to his thoughts, or anything of the sort. Right now, Bulbafake seems extremely suspicious and just bandwagoning on what was cool at the time.
(Also, random side note and to clarify, I did not see the RV against Bulbafake early on with my last post, so I thought it was L-2 after my vote. However, I'm still seeing him as scummy because of his lack of words.)
In post 57, tman2nd wrote:
In the second post, I was saying that the reason I hadn't voted LUV for putting someone at L-1 unannounced was because It seemed like they had already acknowledged that that had happened, so I didn't have any reason to push in that direction. With Bulbazoor, they put PM at L-1 didn't say anything, and still hasn't said anything about it.
Gosh.
If all they have to do is acknowledge what they did to get you to leave them alone, what is the point in it at all?
Your decision to push Bulba instead of LUV makes no sense as a way to find scum. If anything, it's a policy vote, trying to pressure people for bad play.
Why does LUV acknowledging his unannounced L-1 vote make him less likely to be scum?
... And now I'm getting nervy about Dunn, because I feel like I'm making his points for him.
I guess LUV could be scum trying to sneekily put someone at L-1, but I didn't think that at the time. In fact, when Bulba made his L-1 vote, I initially just pointed out the L-1. I didn't really think to vote him until Jin did in 20. Since Bulba has still not responded to anything about all this, that's where I want to keep my vote right now.
@Dunnstral
So, have any conclusions based on the questions you've been asking me that you'd like to share?
The answer to all of the questions regarding my l-1 vote: I hadn't seen that it was l-1 and hadn't been able to get around to responding until today. I also wanted to get some reactions from you guys. And now that I think I got enough, I'll UNVOTE:
In post 57, tman2nd wrote:
In the second post, I was saying that the reason I hadn't voted LUV for putting someone at L-1 unannounced was because It seemed like they had already acknowledged that that had happened, so I didn't have any reason to push in that direction. With Bulbazoor, they put PM at L-1 didn't say anything, and still hasn't said anything about it.
Gosh.
If all they have to do is acknowledge what they did to get you to leave them alone, what is the point in it at all?
Your decision to push Bulba instead of LUV makes no sense as a way to find scum. If anything, it's a policy vote, trying to pressure people for bad play.
Why does LUV acknowledging his unannounced L-1 vote make him less likely to be scum?
... And now I'm getting nervy about Dunn, because I feel like I'm making his points for him.
The wagons certainly provide a lot of material to analyse. In particular, I can analyse the scum motivations, if any, behind the L-2s and L-1s. I cannot do much at the moment, but I will certainly analyse when I get the time.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
I'll admit, I don't have anything to add yet, other than following or commenting on the wagons on Bulbazoor and PMysterious. Though i am suspicious of Dunn for communicating solely by pictures from the 1930's.
So, I see Bulbazoor has explained himself. I'm going to still vote him because the unannounced L-1's are the most suspicious things that have happened so far. And yes, I know this applies to LUV and PM as well, but I only have one vote. I'll also echo that I would also like to see more substance from Dunn. Like I said in an earlier post, does he have anything to say based on the questioning he's given me for example?
In post 69, Gorny wrote:I'll admit, I don't have anything to add yet, other than following or commenting on the wagons on Bulbazoor and PMysterious. Though i am suspicious of Dunn for communicating solely by pictures from the 1930's.
In post 70, tman2nd wrote:So, I see Bulbazoor has explained himself. I'm going to still vote him because the unannounced L-1's are the most suspicious things that have happened so far. And yes, I know this applies to LUV and PM as well, but I only have one vote. I'll also echo that I would also like to see more substance from Dunn. Like I said in an earlier post, does he have anything to say based on the questioning he's given me for example?
In post 69, Gorny wrote:I'll admit, I don't have anything to add yet, other than following or commenting on the wagons on Bulbazoor and PMysterious. Though i am suspicious of Dunn for communicating solely by pictures from the 1930's.
When did you comment on the wagons?
I did not. I meant comments that I might make if any.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
