Micro 744: ??? [Endgame]

[Yume]

And of course, you didn't address the first point of 620......

p-edit: Well, I didn't lolhammer, for one. You replied to my case with 'what-ifs' instead of concrete counter-argument based on facts, for two. Your response to 620 is a snarky copy of my own point, for three.

[Yume]

Yes, it is scum, because it looks like he is giving you a free pass. When will he start talking to you? When the deadline passes?

You are both scum using the strategy of postponing casing each other while scrutinizing me until the end.

[Lucky2u]

Your response to 620 is a snarky copy of my own point, for three.

Yea that was the point.

There are no facts in mafia. Even if the cop didn't die. Everyone alive can be scum. Even ADC.

[Yume]

Even you?

[Yume]

p-edit: Well, I didn't lolhammer, for one

p-edit: I didn't lolhammer, for one

[Lucky2u]

Even you?

Yup

[Lucky2u]

Going to work now. Try not to scum read me more before my first break

[Yume]

Address my latest points when you return.

[Agent Dale Cooper]

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Some early sass from Luca Blight directed at 4nxi3ty. I can remember Luca's entrance into D1 as (unintentionally) antagonising everyone. I don't usually see this from groupscum, only 3rd party/solo scum.

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Well we better Lynch my unnatural ass, because nothing says scum like asking an apparently obvious question

ProHawk is L-1 now... (after Lucky's vote) this is the beginning of ProHawk's defeatist/frustrated soliquy. This was where my scum read of ProHawk began to gradually weaken. 4nxi3ty later argued that this AtE/frustration doesn't always come "from a town place".

I liked Luca looking at everything at granular level - even if half the items he was highlighting weren't even alignment indicative IMO. Luca looked genuinely busy. Luca doesn't mind the limelight on him, and isn't afraid of confrontation with his aggressive style. I would lean aggressive-scum-hunter (instead of confident scum) in this regard [Note: dig up Luca's scum game]

[Agent Dale Cooper]

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I like Luca questioning the sincerity of Brian's reads.

4nxi3ty underline's his scum-read of ProHawk (and potential partner: Luca). Despite 4nxi4ty's persistent push on ProHawk, Luca still fights back with a defence!:

I actually agree with most of what you say here, apart from the bolded part - can you honestly say you can't see why he asked those questions, following Lucky's unusual RVS post and vote? The questions are not something, in themselves, I could consider alignment-indicative in any way - I don't even think Hawk was trying to look as if he was 'scumhunting' so much as he was just clearing up a spot of confusion.

As I mentioned before, I don't like your reaction to this or your neglecting to engage Hawk to find out his intentions - instead you encourage Gameplay to 'tunnel' while sitting on your Luca vote until I enter the game, and the immediately switching to Hawk without further comment.

Does scum-Luca defend his scum-partner here? Luca's defense is as coarse as his pressure. This kind of edges me away from a Luca-ProHawk scum team here (we'll see later if Luca maintains this defence).

Is Luca this confident as scum?

I can't see this as scum-scum, only scum-town/town-town.

I agree with Elk, Agent Sparkles has been making no firm stances so far D1. Active lurking?

Lucky concludes ProHawk is a "frustrated townie". Let's see if he maintains that position. He also decides on "TvT situation" (Luca vs ADC).

[Yume]

I see, so the fact that you will pressure Lucky if he votes was a lie......

[Agent Dale Cooper]

I see, so the fact that you will pressure Lucky if he votes was a lie......

I won't be telling players what the best pro-town action is anymore - I am being ignored on that front and will move on. I will be continuing my full re-read.

Neither you or Lucky have been quicklynched, so I am happy for you both to have a vote each.

[Agent Dale Cooper]

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Luca is extremely verbose and pretty much OVER analytical which could be a scum-tactic but I don't really get those vibes from him.

I feel like this is a good summary of Luca's playstyle.

On the topic of Luca, here was 4nxi3ty's fear:

Honestly I think your eagerness to question others is good but I am paranoid about how you attack everyone and everything, I've personally seen scum use that strategy before, it kinda 'discredits' everyone while giving a decent foundation to make it seem like you are trying to figure out the game.

A potential ring of truth here - has Luca refined his reads and chosen to raise heightened pressure on his select scum reads...? (instead of everything and everyone).

Luca heats up his pressure on Elk.
Lucky now airs his support of the Elk lynch.

Prohawk with a soft defence of Sparkles. I wouldn't call this scum distancing (?). Why does scum-ProHawk defend his partner here with an off-hand comment?

[Agent Dale Cooper]

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Yume joins the elk wagon for (meta reasons?):

Yeah.

VOTE: elk

From my experience, he behaves scummily.

Sure. I feel like he's trying to blend in.

I don't know what can I give when many things are still unknown. I am the kind of player who needs info - such as a flip - to build my info pyramid on.

Yume doesn't have anymore reads but promises content after a flip. Yume had enough suspicion to join the thriving wagon though (a vote to put Elk L-1).

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We saw ProHawk defending Elk earlier... now we see him asking Elk to roleclaim. Shouldn't town-ProHawk be feeling more paranoid and uneasy about this wagon on Elk?

Lucky cheers on gameplay to hammer Elk:

do eet! let's move on! nothing more can be gained from this day!

Terrible. Stinks of scum sheeping a misslynch without getting blood on their hands.

The instant I go to Elk, Lucky kinda-sorta chainsaws him. Except he mentions Elk as a second scumread, which I found really odd. If he really thought Elk was scummy, I don't understand why he would just ignore him and go for me there.

Post-flip theory thoughts?: defending a townie who he knew was town, while still opening up the avenue to support a misslynch.

[Yume]

I see, so the fact that you will pressure Lucky if he votes was a lie......

I won't be telling players what the best pro-town action is anymore - I am being ignored on that front and will move on. I will be continuing my full re-read.

Neither you or Lucky have been quicklynched, so I am happy for you both to have a vote each.

Considering you flipped at me for voting him, this doersn't sit well with me. I was right. You are trying to absolve him of any guilt.

[Agent Dale Cooper]

Yume. Please shut the fuck up. Your scum team theory is weak, short sighted and wrong. You are not helping me solve the game, neither are you convincing me of your reads. You are now on ignore, because if you do actually have a town win-con this is the best decision for town. We'll talk post game, if not, goodbye.

[Yume]

If Lucky were to vote me, like he said he would, I doubt you'd tell him to unvote.

Again, a terrible / self deluded lie.

Any vote right now is bad. I clearly said, no voting.

Your words, not mine, and you are suddenly saying his vote isn't bad?

And no, I won't shut up. You wanted to talk to me, but you are clearly above everything and aren't even considering my thoughts on the matter simply because they are not a carbon copy of your own. You go back on your own statements, like the one I quoted above, because Lucky is your scumbuddy and you want him to live. And now you are putting me on ignore because I am spot on, but that won't save you.

[ProHawk]

Not after unnatural posts like this! I can't tell if your concern at your own lynch is dumb town or fake scum...

No offense, but this looks like a weak attempt at feigning scum-hunting while under pressure.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if both you and Yume were a team. And unless scum just likes to torture, and/or Luca is scum with Cooper there is guaranteed scum at least one in you/Yume so no we aren't lynching me today.

[Yume]

And all right, ignore me, but even if you are town, which you clearly aren't, based on recent posts, you are being duped. And if you lose, then don't you dare blame me for your own inability to comprehend some things. I'll put your name on my blacklist if you blame me instead of yourself for this loss.

[ProHawk]

Yume, why did you vote Lucky with reckless abandon?

[Yume]

Yume, why did you vote Lucky with reckless abandon?

Because he lolhammered and because the person who suspected him ended up dead. Also, your question is moot, since while I voted after Dale said not to. Yet Dale is grilling me for it while absolving Lucky of all blame, even though we both did the same thing and should both be grilled for it. That alone reeks of scum trying to save their buddy no matter what.

[Yume]

In fact, I find it weird that you are both so willing to exonerate him, all things considered. :O

[Yume]

Either we're both innocent or we're both guilty, but condemning one and giving the other free pass is silly and fake.

[Agent Dale Cooper]

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Luca presses very hard on gameplay's contradiction on Elk. Feels like Luca is over-reading/overreacting to gameplay's swing.

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Still no hammer, Elk's wagon was sitting there at L-1 for a long time (were scum already on the wagon?):
theelkspeaks - 4 ( Brian Skiies, Luca Blight, Lucky2u, Yume ) L- 1

4nxi3ty mentions a "gameplay lynch swing".
ProHawk is open to it.
Lucky votes gameplay.

The VC has now changed momentum dramatically:

VOTE COUNT 1 . 9
ProwHawk ----- 3 ( Agent Dale Cooper, 4nxi3ty, Gameplay506 ) L- 2
Gameplay506 -- 3 ( ProHawk, Lucky2u, Brian Skiies ) L- 2
theelkspeaks - 2 ( Luca Blight, Yume ) L- 3
Luca Blight -- 1 ( theelkspeaks ) L- 4

4nxi3ty presents his ProHawk scum-case to me.

Good is relative, but I'm voting him due to early OMGUS, lack of scum-hunting, defiant - "You can't lynch me" attitude/desire to 1v1.

These aren't very strong (alignment indicative) reasons to lynch Gameplay.

Yume with the terrible hammer.

Gameplay506 -- 5 ( ProHawk, Lucky2u, Brian Skiies, theelkspeaks, Yume ) LYNCH

[ProHawk]

I'm not exonerating him at all, if I had to vote someone right now, it would be Lucky over you actually.

What I am trying to figure out is if you actually don't realize that your vote was reckless, or if it was planned, or if you realized it as town and just didn't give a shit?