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Deadline has passed and Nexus has been lynched.
Everyone likely thought it was majority until I checked. If it were a majority, a No Lynch would have ended the game. Now, The Jester voted me instead of Nexus. The Jester clearly scumread Nexus over me, though. In this case, if I were in The Jester's position (and assumed majority lynch) I think that hammering would have been the right move because it was so close to deadline that there was not much disadvantage to doing so. Hammering would not have been game-throwing.
In most games, you offer intent to give a last chance for the player to claim. Here, claims are unnecessary and (ignoring the fact that it wa plurality) we needed a hammer. Now, why would The Jester vote me? If they are scum, they can try to use the deadline to rush a wagon on me, hoping that I will kill Nexus (this would point towards Nexus being Town). Then again, they could just hammer Nexus, but they may have thought that Nexus would possibly kill them and that it would have been safer to lynch me. If they are Town, they clearly thought that they should not hammer without consensus. It's a bad idea, but it's understandable that Town would think that."one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714- Errantparabola
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WELP.
I really chunked it, didn't I?
(In my defense I assumed it was gonna be PST deadline because I forgot Equinoxmoved)did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
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Nexus sounded genuine in his last posts and he seemed to care- scum would just give it up I think but he kept checking in at work. His outrage at me didn't seem fake. I'm a tone reader mostly.
About EP I'm not saying he's necessarily lying but I've done this as scum too- wait until it all sorts itself out, especially that it seemed like scum were likely to score 2 townie deaths. I'm pretty sure you're town so I coud just vote him right now but I'm gonna re-read just in case. But I don't think it'll change my decision.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Just spotted this: what was that post?In post 121, The_Jester wrote:There's one post that makes me think it may be EP and BTD but not sure I wanna bank on that.
Anyway, there's 2 votes on Nexus and I can't change the lynch alone. Anybody?- Errantparabola
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fishy on the btd wagon is theoretically obvscum timing (going on, moderate pressure on btd, then reducing pressure and focusing elsewhere) but there's a lot of unnecessary effort that I rarely ever see put in there for scum theater on fishy's part, so that's the thing that's giving me main pause
the thing that gives me pause about jester is he's pushing pretty hard against nexus at the end there-- his transition near the end after the whole nexus thing is basically opposite of fishy
yes, I genuinely missed the deadline-- I got 3 hours of sleep and had 3 midterms this week, was all around bone-tired, and banked on being able to wake up in time.In post 131, Fishythefish wrote:I wonder whether EP really did miss the deadline, since doing so would be super-useful for EP scum here. I tend to think yes - it's not the sort of thing that scum tend to lie about.
another thing that gives me doubts about fishy as scum is his strat here. would be very easy for scum-him to get jester to vote me (practically 0 effort play) so this would be unnecessary for him here
but of course, scum rarely just does what is necessary.
but then again, "BTD flip gives us jack shit"
but then again, does scum even consider full bussing on D1? does jester have the ballsacks for that? that's like the one thing I'm regarding here as truly unlikely
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After a reread, I'm pretty certain I'll be voting EP unless something quite new comes up.
Overall impressions:
- Jester really reads like he's thinking hard and trying to work the game out, and did things like push for people to do stuff rather than coast to deadline.
- EP's play is fine, but there's nothing in there that jumps out as town.
Connections to BTD:
- Jester went after BTD a little yesterday (see post 63 and after), and voted him at deadline without changing his chances of being lynched much.
- EP basically never mentioned BTD.
- BTD gave "very weak townreads" on both, and didn't do anything particularly interesting. I can see the early chat about theory and pairing methods being a bit of early distancing from EP, and the post townreading EP looks kinda contrived.
So, neither is an unlikely buddy, with EP perhaps a bit more likely.
I'm happy to explain my play if there are any questions. As to whether it was likely from scum - I have no special knowledge there, but I'd rather think scumFishy who people are reading as town would be more likely to go through with a bus.In post 135, Errantparabola wrote:fishy on the btd wagon is theoretically obvscum timing (going on, moderate pressure on btd, then reducing pressure and focusing elsewhere) but there's a lot of unnecessary effort that I rarely ever see put in there for scum theater on fishy's part, so that's the thing that's giving me main pause- Errantparabola
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In post 134, Fishythefish wrote:
Just spotted this: what was that post?In post 121, The_Jester wrote:There's one post that makes me think it may be EP and BTD but not sure I wanna bank on that.
Anyway, there's 2 votes on Nexus and I can't change the lynch alone. Anybody?
He didn't include BTD. Nice way of getting rid of 2 townies in both scenarios.In post 23, Errantparabola wrote:1) lynch cuphead
if town, cuphead shoot fish
2) lynch nexus
if town, nexus shoot cuphead
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Backseat coaching? Also defends EP later on:In post 27, BTD6_maker wrote:
Are you trying something similar to the Mastermind of Sin pairing method?In post 23, Errantparabola wrote:1) lynch cuphead
if town, cuphead shoot fish
2) lynch nexus
if town, nexus shoot cuphead
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Then EP wants to lynch Nexus for... what exactly? Seems like he thought it's gonna be either Nexus or him.In post 43, BTD6_maker wrote: While I think it overall benefits scum, I did say that each individual Town has an interest in directing shots towards their scumreads so it is good for Town.
MoS was often lynched for pairing but I don't think EP is scummy. If EP had been MoS and made pairings I would have classed that as scummy.
^Stating the obvious for towncredIn post 45, Errantparabola wrote:VOTE: nexus
actually yeah
when you think about it-- unless we've reached a consensus, we can all agree as town to not hammer anyone until that point. right? that's clearly benefit for town.
then we can also work under the maxim that anyone that quickhammers town without a consensus is scum and they can get shot. so no one will quickhammer.
so getting votes out is a good way to progress the game
BTD's #61 seems like a perfect case of distancing. Creating space while not condemning the player at the same time.
Plus:
Etc etc now that I'm sure EP's scum I could prolly find something condemning in everything he's said so it's kinda pointless.In post 68, BTD6_maker wrote:Right now, I do not have clear scumreads, only very weak Townreads. This could suggest that Fishythefish and Nexus are weak scumreads
I do actually. Done that on my alt. I did not end well What about Fish bussing? He's been pushing BTD from the very beginning.In post 135, Errantparabola wrote:does scum even consider full bussing on D1? does jester have the ballsacks for that? that's like the one thing I'm regarding here as truly unlikely
Fish's play this game is very reminiscent of one game we played together where he replaced in and obvtowned the fuck outta it. He's been active and transparent, just like here. I'm not really seeing anything condemning.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Is this a scumclaim? If you're town, step it up.In post 137, Errantparabola wrote:Alright then— just end it.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Oh, come on. This isn’t some 70 page game where I can write pages and pages in hopes that one of you will have the good graces to vote the other person. It’s a 6 page game, I’ve said everything I think is useful. If you want me to clarify anything that’s fine, but I’m not going to pad my posts with fake bullshit or reach for tenuous arguments to “step it up.”
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So basically you want to sell me on the Fish lynch solely based on the fact his BTD vote had "scum timing"? Like come on.
At least gimme an example of thisIn post 135, Errantparabola wrote: there's a lot of unnecessary effort that I rarely ever see put in there for scum theater on fishy's partWhy'd the clown drive over the cup?
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I thought it was clearly pretty constructed; there's a lot in there that just isn't any kind of scumtell, and only about one point I agreed with. That wasn't hugely AI at that stage in the day - desperate townies don't look all that different from scum - but I was very unpersuaded.In post 140, The_Jester wrote:Fish what did you think of Nexus' wall on me? You voted him right after so didn't you think he had valid points?
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94.In post 143, The_Jester wrote:At least gimme an example of thisdid another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
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