Micro 756: Extra Communication Mafia GAME OVER!

[Flubbernugget]

Not a fan of even the soft claims atm. It's a bastard jingle setup. That's enough to assume they don't have the dynamics you think they do.

[fferyllt]

If you really meant yourself fucking label it as such and don't imply it is mine.

If this is addressed to me, then I didn't imply any such thing.

[Fishythefish]

Are any of the abilities you are aware a) dangerous for the town if scum hold them, and/or b) very much more useful for scum than town? If so, I think you should just claim them.

I feel like if she's town and this was a good idea she would have done this already? Not sure why you're asking for this.

Just to make her double-check, because I tend to think that town claim information too little.

I don't think there's a lot of alignment info to read into this claim. I think the role would have moderate utility for either scum or town.

[skitter30]

Who are you asking. And what are you asking?

It wasn't directed towards anyone in particular so much as making a point.

You're right, I was a little TOO vague on the first one because all PRs go through the mod. I'll elaborate just a little more. The role involves PMing the mod not with an action, but with a kind of message. Whoever has this ability will know I'm legit.

All that they know is that you know their role. If true, it makes your role legit, but doesn't really help with your alignment.

Not a fan of even the soft claims atm. It's a bastard jingle setup. That's enough to assume they don't have the dynamics you think they do.

It's not explicitly bastard apparently, but I agree with the general sentiment.

I don't think there's a lot of alignment info to read into this claim. I think the role would have moderate utility for either scum or town.

I'm ambivalent. I don't think the role is inherently AI.

[fferyllt]

It's also sort of a two-ability role. If we see town flips that are all one-ability, give that some thought.

[Ghostlin]

Believing GD's role exists =/= believing its AI in anyway. For the record, I believe the claim.

[GinghamDog]

It's also sort of a two-ability role. If we see town flips that are all one-ability, give that some thought.

What do you mean it's a two-ability role?

[fferyllt]

It's also sort of a two-ability role. If we see town flips that are all one-ability, give that some thought.

What do you mean it's a two-ability role?

- neighborhood
- info about abilities in the game.

[Chip Butty]

It's also sort of a two-ability role. If we see town flips that are all one-ability, give that some thought.

What do you mean it's a two-ability role?

- neighborhood
- info about abilities in the game.

I'm not sure I would classify extra info as an 'ability' per se...

[Chip Butty]

Believing GD's role exists =/= believing its AI in anyway. For the record, I believe the claim.

I forgot that neighbours can be town or scum. Was probably too quick to unvote.

VOTE: GinghamDog

[Ghostlin]

It's also sort of a two-ability role. If we see town flips that are all one-ability, give that some thought.

What do you mean it's a two-ability role?

- neighborhood
- info about abilities in the game.

I'm not sure I would classify extra info as an 'ability' per se...

It's like having a really limited Role Cop at the beginning of the game; you know certain things are true about the setup.

[MathBlade]

I said I was going to catch up but I had a four course meal I needed to cook and entertaining surprise me out of no where.

Will catch up tomorrow.

[Flairs]

@Flairs:

Why do you have Ghostlin so low?

I liked his initial pushback against ffery, but 65 seemed unnecessary. I also didn't see this when I made an earlier summary post but 30 was a really weird way to go about defending himself, it feels a bit like a last ditch defense. Like I could see him realizing he had made that mistake and then trying to cover up by making it seem like a personal attack.

Actually, he backtracks/tries to explain his reasoning twice, 21 and 65, which feels scummy to me. I feel like scum would notice those gaps in arguements and feel the need to cover them up much more then town would.

I think his defense of ffery is also interesting because he's not really defending her actions, he's defending her over the logic of not voting other players. So if ffery flips scum, there won't be much evidence of him actually defending her, but more defending her logic. The only thing that actually defends ffery's actions would be on 191, and there he's like "eh not really sure let's figure it out another day". He keeps delaying explaining what he thinks of ffery's actions, now that I think about it. It's not just 191, but 246 too.

So might as well, @Ghostlin what about ffery's posts make you townread her?

[Flairs]

@Gingham which of skitter's posts are pinging scum the most?

[Flairs]

I feel like an Informed Neighbor who was scum would be wayy too powerful

273 seems weird. I had asked for a game, ffery supplied. ffery found another game and posted it. Not entirely sure if you just weren't paying attention or . . .?

ANyways off to read ffery's town game now

[GinghamDog]

I think his defense of ffery is also interesting because he's not really defending her actions, he's defending her over the logic of not voting other players. So if ffery flips scum, there won't be much evidence of him actually defending her, but more defending her logic. The only thing that actually defends ffery's actions would be on 191, and there he's like "eh not really sure let's figure it out another day". He keeps delaying explaining what he thinks of ffery's actions, now that I think about it. It's not just 191, but 246 too.

Where do you put the likelihood of ghostlin + ffery in light of ghostlin's various pushes and defenses of her?

@Gingham which of skitter's posts are pinging scum the most?

244

I forgot that neighbours can be town or scum. Was probably too quick to unvote.

Neighbors can, but do you think an informed neighbor is more likely to be scum or town?

[GinghamDog]

Not a fan of even the soft claims atm. It's a bastard jingle setup. That's enough to assume they don't have the dynamics you think they do.

I found it a little odd that you have three votes, yet this is the only thing you post.

[Ghostlin]

I agree with you, but I guess I was saying that I don't really get the significance of this in the context of my post.

At some point if you believe 3 people are likely to be scum, and only any two of them can be, you need to acknowledge that fact that you're wrong at least on one and vote your best scum suspect anyway.

[Ghostlin]

I feel like an Informed Neighbor who was scum would be wayy too powerful

273 seems weird. I had asked for a game, ffery supplied. ffery found another game and posted it. Not entirely sure if you just weren't paying attention or . . .?

ANyways off to read ffery's town game now

No it wouldn't. Scum Role Cop is a role. Scum Neighbor is a role. Informed Scum Neighbor would just be a lesser combination of the two. They would get setup spec on certain roles to watch for plus a chance to mislead a certain Town player, which isn't really too powerful if scum doesn't have an investigative this game.

This almost reads "I don't want to be caught on this lynch."

[GinghamDog]

@Ghost who is your top scum read other than ffery?

[Ghostlin]

So might as well, @Ghostlin what about ffery's posts make you townread her?

I don't think scum Ffery pushes Town Ghostlin nearly as hard as she has this game (at the beginning of it), for one. I think she'd take a path of lower resistance with this slot.

Two, the self-meta points? So far she's right on each and everyone of them. So if scum ffery came with a list of her meta to rebuff certain points that came up edited to my precise concern, this is unlikely to be scum ffery.

Three, I have information you don't, and I'm not giving it to you now.

[Ghostlin]

@Ghost who is your top scum read other than ffery?

I think you mean who's my top scum read rather than flutter? (I am currently Town reading and will probably let you lynch me over ffery at this point.)

I mean, it's really mostly Flutter at this point. His last few posts read setup-spec-rather-than-scumhunting to me.

If you were to put a gun to my head and force me to produce another read, Flair's 289 is wrong and also rings the wrong bells to me. It seems she either wants to passively white knight you by debunking the speculation swirling around your role or distance herself from your maybe lynch. There are not really any scenarios that I can think of off the top of my head that town!flairs makes that claim.

I'm either Town reading most everyone else (ffery, CB, skitter, tiny bit MB although 273 seems really over the top for a probable misunderstanding) or the rest of it is various shades of null that I don't mind voting end of Day 1, but wouldn't vote now.

[fferyllt]

What's your Fishythefish read?

[Ghostlin]

Null. Nothing at the moment stands out to me as Town or Scum; same with GD.

[Ghostlin]

I see Fishy's points in voting GD, but it being Day 1, that could be GD being conservative with her vote. If you were to force me to null-sort them, tinnnnnnny town lean to fishy, tinnnnny scum lean to GD, but those are on the weakest reasons.