Micro 777: Purgatory

[Chara]

this is somewhat based on Perpetual Mylo strategy. early-game scum have to be extremely cautious of how they play in order to make sure at least the majority of their members are townread. in this case, i would expect only 1 or 0 scum to be voting ZZZX to heaven. it's consistent with my bad feelings about awoo.
Dunnstral is more difficult to discuss. back soon.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: awoo

[Chara]

is RC still scum?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: awoo

Good input.

[Chara]

that's NM.
do

you

have input?

[Awoo]

, i would expect only 1 or 0 scum to be voting ZZZX to heaven. it's consistent with my bad feelings about awoo.

Except that was 100% decided by kiana and everyone else just went along with it. There could be anywhere from 1 to 3 scum ('cause zman selfed LOL) on that ZZZX wagon because kiana called for it, they could placed no votes or all their votes.

Talk to me about what's actually give you bad feelings, because this makes no sense, and you've tended to make sense this game. You're putting a ton of stock into ZZZX behavior wifom and that's not something town should ever be doing here. Was there ever a point in heaven 1 that anyone ever opposed kiana?

Explain yourself, because I really really want to just write you off as clear and roll with it, and I don't want to read or put in effort X(


is RC still scum? my strategy was to get rid of complaining unreadable RC. then solve the game based on clears from that flip. Replacement is OK. therefore keeping him in the game is OK.

- As long as that slot and creature are both unflipped, I won't vote either to heaven. Which is why kiana is heaven 100% tomorrow.

[Chara]

exactly. Kiana called for it. scum didn't need to vote ZZZX for him to be heaven voted.

i'd rather you read and put in effort regardless of how you feel about me.

RC's read on Creature doesn't matter. Creature is often an easy read. hypothetical scum RC townreading him means nothing.

why is NM scum?

and town should absolutely be examining the behaviour of flipped scum to solve the game. how exactly do you justify not looking at his play?

[Chara]

and awoo: read on jmo? is it enough that he's just posting? RC was not unreadable.
is NM unreadable?

[Creature]

Would like to know if anyone thinks Chara has obvtowned.

is it pretty funny that only scum has posted this before in previous games? :v i don't really think it indicates anything, but it's funny.
Creature, why are you asking other people, or asking this at all?

There are people that read you better than I do.

[Chara]

Except that was 100% decided by kiana and everyone else just went along with it. There could be anywhere from 1 to 3 scum ('cause zman selfed LOL) on that ZZZX wagon because kiana called for it, they could placed no votes or all their votes.

this in particular.
my 0-1 guess is based on the makeup of the wagon and obviously does not include confscum ZZZX voting there. he doesn't need to worry about looking towny because he's done his job.
who's left? me, RC, NM, Kiana.
you have Kiana as locktown and me as written off town before i voted you.
that just leaves NM.
meaning NM is scum who voted the townled wagon, or town. and the other scum stayed off of it. 3 scum on that wagon doesn't really make sense.

[Chara]

Creature: that's fair. for what it's worth, Maki knows me very well and figured out i was town near-instantly.
Dunnstral also, though he's currently my best guess for the other scum.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Hi, Chara!

[Kiana Kaslana]

Awoo's recent posts seem really town, I can't help it but to put him as town. Awoo seems way more town than RC's replacements, by simply comparing replacements, not based on their predecessors. I don't really know.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Are you hard townreading RC slot now? Your recent posts seem to suggest that.

[Chara]

hi Kiana!

why

does awoo's recent posting seem town?

pedit: i am.

[Kiana Kaslana]

Does his recent posting not seem town to you?

[Kiana Kaslana]

He's the only one except for me and you trying to put in effort to find a solution for us to win, after our mistaken Day 1 and 2 lynches.

[Kiana Kaslana]

What made you change your mind on RC slot from making him "hmm I don't know" into "I'm sure he's town"?

[Chara]

that was not much question.
he hasn't done anything. he's suggested lynching RC to settle the slot's alignment, and is happy to do the same with NM. he hasn't tried to engage jmo on anything despite being concerned about RC's alignment before.
his most recent post was entirely in reaction to my scumread on him.

he says RC's flip gives clears to solve the game, but doesn't talk to jmo about anything. just votes NM with him.
what's town?

[Kiana Kaslana]

Hmm. Good observations.

Awoo, what is your defense to this accusation?

[Kiana Kaslana]

All I can see is this reason: "Replacement is OK. therefore keeping him in the game is OK." - Awoo

So his plan was to lynch RC because nobody can be sure about RC's alignment. But because jmo seemed "OK to Awoo (??) so keeping him in the game is OK {??}

You know what, I don't know at all.

I don't think jmo posted anything cool though, so what's making you change the townread on RC? I can't see it the same as you.

[Chara]

What made you change your mind on RC slot from making him "hmm I don't know" into "I'm sure he's town"?

my theory didn't hold up.
1) scum RC is better than this.
2) the turnaround on you was far too blatant in hindsight.
3) reaction to my theory and wishes to vote him resulted in a replace-out. scum RC should have been able to handle that without replacing. outside chance of the replace out being NAI and instead a reaction to awoo's off-colour trigger joke, which i honestly also cringed at.
4) i still think his opening was towny.

[Kiana Kaslana]

I think the replace out was NAI to me though. If it really did felt town to me then I would townread him for it, but the reason why he replaced out was: "It's either I become toxic or play against my wincon".

Now, he knows that I'm the one stopping his wincon.

This could mean:

If RC scum: He can't get rid of me without being toxic, he'd have to be very mean to strongarm my power away. Since I'm the main obstacle for him winning, he either has to replace out or be very mean in order to win. He chooses to replace out instead of winning his scumgame.

If RC town: He seriously thinks I'm superscum, and he'd have to be very mean to stop me from going to heaven. Since he doesn't want to be mean, but he seriously thinks I'm scum, he can't do both, so he chooses to replace out. Whatever happens next is town's problem.

See, I can come up with theories to why he would do the replace out as scum or as town. So, it's NAI in my view.

[Chara]

and unwillingness to bet the game on a replace-out is why i had three other points. :>

scum RC isn't scared of you, Kiana. not scared of me, either.

[jmo16mla]

that's NM.
do

you

have input?

We are getting there.

I think I've played with NM before and remember similar play, it's been a while. I need him to not sheep and explain a little more. I do a lot better interacting back and forth and examining the very beginning of the game than readin 30 page's of game.

Is this NM town or scum? Can you tell the difference between his town plan and scum play? Does he always play like this as town? You seemed to have defended him right there a little. "Oh that's just how he plays" I'm not liking that excuse.