Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[Mathdino]

Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.

I prefer to be confirmed town when I have the opportunity (something you know very well), but ok.

[CheekyTeeky]

EBWOP A response to Penguin**

[northsidegal]

I realise that we're at the point where the mod can't do shit to change it, but I genuinely wonder if we'd be having this conversation at all if I were scum, considering policy lynching 2 townies (or policy lynching my scumbuddy) directly helps scum wincon.

i agree and that was actually my first thought upon seeing this. i'm hesitant to really use that to influence my read too much but i'd be inclined to say that it almost mod-spews you as town, given that policy lynches on town as scum would still advance scum wincondition.

I disagree. I think EP brought it up in a very objective way that doesn't confirm Math's alignment. The point was that Penguin thought it against the spirit of the game and against the rules and EP clarified it was not. It was more a response to EP than a response to Math pushing PLs in the first place.

eh, i see what you're saying and i wasn't planning on taking it into account in terms of reads but that type of thing still gives me pause. the few times i've seen it it's never been a false positive, though that could just be caused by there naturally being more town than scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.

I prefer to be confirmed town when I have the opportunity (something you know very well), but ok.

You're not confirmed town though. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll compromise on you being conf. town and say I won't lynch you today Math.

[Mathdino]

Sounds good.

NSG who's scum?

Also why is anyone voting Not_Mafia right now other than policy?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ew I gave me reasons. At least pretend you're reading my posts :/

[Mathdino]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

Interesting.

Yeah "interesting" is all I got. My ability to read N_M is still evolving.

I don't get the same credit you do but the only time I mislynched town N_M was in a MyLo. Had I gone in with the assumption that his votes would always make sense... well he voteparked me the moment I replaced in and said he was never moving so that assumption seems a bit simplistic. A good foundation but simplistic.

[Something_Smart]

You might have to be town by PoE considering I definitely have stronger scumreads elsewhere.

How does that square with this:

N_Mtown/NSGtown leaves
Smart-town pending meta review
Penguin-scum
Bambi-lynchable
Gamma-unreadable
CT-too soon to tell but i will ISO this in a bit
Red I'm actually not locking a read on yet, but I also forgot Polygamist ever happened, so rereading that will be a fantastic meta reminder.

...where you seem to have only one scumread of any strength at all?

[CheekyTeeky]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

Interesting.

Yeah "interesting" is all I got. My ability to read N_M is still evolving.

I don't get the same credit you do but the only time I mislynched town N_M was in a MyLo. Had I gone in with the assumption that his votes would always make sense... well he voteparked me the moment I replaced in and said he was never moving so that assumption seems a bit simplistic. A good foundation but simplistic.

Make sense as in you can see why he would, not that his vote is correct.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma just taking potshots is weird, seems more about discrediting than gamesolving

VOTE: RedFlavour

For example this vote following a prior post makes no sense to me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I can see why he questionned gamma. But rather than add any real pressure with a vote he watched for a bit and then moved his initial RVS vote off Math who was looking all over the place at best (in terms of alignment) and votes an empty slot who hadn't even posted. I don't see the point in wasting a vote on someone who could possibly be replaced because they might not show up. It's the equivalent of an unvote in usefulness/safeness amidst discussion.

[Mathdino]

You might have to be town by PoE considering I definitely have stronger scumreads elsewhere.

How does that square with this:

N_Mtown/NSGtown leaves
Smart-town pending meta review
Penguin-scum
Bambi-lynchable
Gamma-unreadable
CT-too soon to tell but i will ISO this in a bit
Red I'm actually not locking a read on yet, but I also forgot Polygamist ever happened, so rereading that will be a fantastic meta reminder.

...where you seem to have only one scumread of any strength at all?

At the time of making that original post:
NSG was playing to her scum meta.
Penguin I was scumreading.
CT I'm getting really bad feelings about but a lot of that is "I just got screwed by her scumgame so everything pings me now".
And Red I realised was also playing similarly to JK9++.

That "I'm scumreading everyone" post was only mostly ironic. Townreads have been hard to come by. Bambi isn't actually scum by play, and I'll admit that a couple things aren't what I'd expect of scum-Bambi.

So when 4 players are acting more like their scumselves and Bambi is just acting like themself, you kinda have to realise that everyone at the null line and below is actually likely town.

[CheekyTeeky]

And Red I realised was also playing similarly to JK9++.

You mean with his one "lol" post?

So apart from Penguin's reaction to your controversial theory, explain your scum read on him.

[RedFlavor]

And Red I realised was also playing similarly to JK9++.

You mean with his one "lol" post?

So apart from Penguin's reaction to your controversial theory, explain your scum read on him.

Do you read Not Mafia as mafia or do you want to lynch him because he is unreadable?

[Gamma Emerald]

RedFlavor/NM scumteam, calling it

[Something_Smart]

CT I'm getting really bad feelings about but a lot of that is "I just got screwed by her scumgame so everything pings me now".

It's definitely not just you

[Bambietta Basterbine]

What's wrong with Cheeky? She seems nice!

Anyway, Red, I want to know why your ISO is somehow shittier then NotMaf's or mine and why your vote on me.

[RedFlavor]

What's wrong with Cheeky? She seems nice!

Anyway, Red, I want to know why your ISO is somehow shittier then NotMaf's or mine and why your vote on me.

I was sick
And I did not really like your 255, reason to vote mathdino. It looks like scummy excuse to vote someone just to vote or prevent them policy lynching you by saying they are scum trying to policy lynch you


Also my iso was never good in any game so your argument is invalid

[RedFlavor]

What's wrong with Cheeky? She seems nice!

Anyway, Red, I want to know why your ISO is somehow shittier then NotMaf's or mine and why your vote on me.

Why do you like cheeky?

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Because I feel a kindred spirit.

Red, I'm sure you remember JK9, my only current town win, yeah? You want to know something fun? Getting crapped on continuously since page one. I got my limits on being told I'm shit or a Policy Lynch, Red. That's all that vote is, and I won't be sad if it does go through.

[Bambietta Basterbine]

What's wrong with Cheeky? She seems nice!

Anyway, Red, I want to know why your ISO is somehow shittier then NotMaf's or mine and why your vote on me.

My iso was never good in any game so your argument is invalid

Also, that's NEVER a good reason for suspicion to be taken off of you, too.

[Something_Smart]

...Yeah it is?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I feel a kindred spirit.

Red, I'm sure you remember JK9, my only current town win, yeah? You want to know something fun? Getting crapped on continuously since page one. I got my limits on being told I'm shit or a Policy Lynch, Red. That's all that vote is, and I won't be sad if it does go through.

Check again Red why haven't you shared the good news with Jay?

[Something_Smart]

Because I feel a kindred spirit.

How's that alignment indicative?