Micro 794: Miss List II (Game Over)
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I would disagree with the opinion that it's not mafia. However I agree that the setup needs some serious work if it's even viable at all.
To be fair... the whole communication thing you did wouldn't have worked if Creature had not been 100% readable.
But yes. The game needs stronger incentives to lynch scum. Could take inspiration from Perpetual MYLO and require town to lynch a certain number of scum to win? (That would probably work better 6:5, with 3 scum lynches required to win.)- Mathdino
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i mean sure but there's always going to be one player that's 100% readable by another player one way or the other
had creature been town, we would've just been able to bust our asses to sacrifice in order to keep him alive
i don't like the idea of a points system mixing with the miss list system really; it's the centrepiece of perpetual mylo while here it'd just be a bandaid
i just think it's one of those mechanics that's better in theory than in execution- Mathdino
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also, re: the ego thing
i never meant to imply to everyone else that my reads were great, or that i'm objectively the best town player ever
i meant to imply that, from magna's POV, my reads were almost 100% on point due to me townreading him and scumreading panther FMPOV
so the "my reads are better than yours" was specifically trying to appeal to a hypothetical town magna
obviously none of that applies in the case where i get fuckin played
and this turned out to be that case
still, my beef is things like
- what does D1 even matter? town is not going to shoot wrong on D1
- as a result, town can lynch scum 3 times in a row and still lose. that seems unfair
- conversely, scum can lynch town 4 times in a row and still lose.
it makes the setup straight up not based around dayplay. it's interesting as a gimmick but not really the MafiaScum Way- implosion
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all of this.In post 477, Mathdino wrote:- what does D1 even matter? town is not going to shoot wrong on D1
- as a result, town can lynch scum 3 times in a row and still lose. that seems unfair
- conversely, scum can lynch town 4 times in a row and still lose.
it makes the setup straight up not based around dayplay. it's interesting as a gimmick but not really the MafiaScum Way
That said this win was all entirely 100% me and i'm a god of mafia because of it.- Creature
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also in retrospect panther should 100% have been the sacrifice
i don't know why the plan on that changed
i wasn't around when that decision was made :/- PantherPunt
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In post 467, Mathdino wrote:well done magna
i played dumb or scum and chose dumb, ignoring my usual burden of proficiency tell
shot panther because his ISO had practically 0 mention of the scumteam, only talked about reads on townies
lolyouIn post 468, Mathdino wrote:also the fact that panther was caving to your plan on D3 read very badly on him
couldn't understand how town would've been okay with that one
Don't blame me for your bad read
Or for being a pussy
It's a combination of the two. You said your shot was ready and....you shoot me.
gg magna though- PantherPunt
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I was put in a position where either of you would've shot me
I self voted so I could be the one to take the shot
Not_Mafia was the only one super lock townread I had and was the only one townreading me- MagnaofIllusion
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First would like to say thanks to Something Smart for another solid game Modded. You are too good a Mod to be stuck with such a Meh set-up SS!
Also thanks to my partners for helping me as much as possible once Chicka made things grim.
Generally agree that this game isn’t straightforward Mafia and feels like a very specialized variant. I’m not sure what can be done to make it more fun while keeping the Perpetual LYLO mechanic. Probably one of the most easily broken set-ups if you get an obvious player in a scum role.
@Chicka- I don’t know if you read the Scum PT but kudos for nailing the scum-team and really making this an uphill battle. I would only suggest work at being a little more open and verbose with your thoughts early on. You instincts this game were spot on and without you who knows how different the game would have turned out. My Town MVP vote goes to you.
@Creature– either take a break from Mafia or be willing to actually put in effort if you draw scum. The fact that you are so easy to identify these days is a detriment to your own team every time you draw scum and really not fair to the other players who get saddled with you as a scum teammate.
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No, it shouldn’t have. It should have signaled to you that your reads might be off. Because given some time and effort to look at things from a Town Panther perspective and my plan (which of course would never have come to fruition as I couldn’t shoot) is entirely reasonable with little risk. Even if his read on me is wrong there was little risk in lynching me. I couldn’t shoot if I was scum and Buj was a dead man walking the next day. And if I was Town then he knew the last scum was between you and NotMafia.In post 468, Mathdino wrote:also the fact that panther was caving to your plan on D3 read very badly on him
couldn't understand how town would've been okay with that one
You failed to be able to put yourself in someone else’s perspective and it cost you.
Other that all I will say is my departing words before the lynch were 100% truthful Math – I’ll do my best to steer clear of games you play in (not that I think we will have much cross-over in interests so that should be an easy mission to accomplish). Good luck in your future games."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.- Chickadee
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Thank you.In post 486, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Chicka - I don’t know if you read the Scum PT but kudos for nailing the scum-team and really making this an uphill battle. I would only suggest work at being a little more open and verbose with your thoughts early on. You instincts this game were spot on and without you who knows how different the game would have turned out. My Town MVP vote goes to you.
Competing against louder players is something I've been struggling with for a while now. It's easy to get discouraged when you're seen in most games as lynch bait, or the weak player.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Don't let the bully you or drown you out. Actively push-back whenever someone calls you lynch-bait (even if it is to your theoretical benefit). Reject the label and do your best to make your thoughts clearly heard. Don't let people define what you think of yourself as a Mafia player. It is certainly good to look for advice post-game but don't let people inherently dismiss you Day 1.In post 487, Chickadee wrote:Competing against louder players is something I've been struggling with for a while now. It's easy to get discouraged when you're seen in most games as lynch bait, or the weak player.
I know these are all tough things to do but the more you strive towards them the better off you will be as a Mafia player."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.- Chickadee
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Same here.
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Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.- PantherPunt
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Panther - i was pretty sure that I was viewed as “too dumb” by Math for him to trust me to take a shot. And I figured NM would follow Math’s lead. And of course Buj wasn’t voting me.
Also I felt confident that I crafted the proposal to infuriate Math so he would push against it as further insurance."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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