In post 287, Vartsun wrote:I'm guessing you were baiting them with your vote? Not because of a scumread? In my eyes, putting someone in a lynchpool and just voting someone to gauge their motives and make a wagon are not the same thing.
Well, yes, they are. If I pressure someone and they refuse to respond, they should be lynched. Otherwise, why bother?
In post 252, doomfeathers wrote:I'm not saying more information is bad. But it doesn't make sense to have your attention jump constantly.
No, it doesn't. So you pick a few things that stand out to you and focus on them. You don't have to analyze the entire game.
I'm sorry, but who has the luxury to cherry pick who they want to focus on and analyze reasons to wagon?
Not town.
Everyone does. You pick which posts you want to respond to. Right now, you're choosing to focus on me rather than, for example, Voyc. Playing any game requires choosing priorities; Mafia is no different.
In post 252, doomfeathers wrote:Also, I'd love to see your magical solution of seeing through WIFOM.
If there's any WIFOM you've already detected, maybe you should tell me.
I didn't say "see through"; I said "see past". Don't try to analyze WIFOM. Just look elsewhere. That's pretty much what I did with Ausuka vs. you.
So you think the whole point of Ausuka-Vartsun 1v1 was to cause WIFOM and not gamesolve?
I didn't say that. I said it was basically WIFOM to me. Now, there might be things in it that are alignment-indicative; I haven't found them because I've been focusing elsewhere, and also because that whole thing is a headache to read. But if you would like me to, I'll move it up my priority list.
And you didn't come to any conclusions? Because you're not saying that you're analyzing interactions here. You're telling me that you're deliberately focusing on something else.
Yes, analyzing interactions elsewhere.
Thanks for minimizing
Varsoon's
opinions while dismissing me entirely.
That's not what I said. I meant that Varsoon had made it hard for people to listen to him, not that he had no valid opinions. Diplomacy and interaction require more than information; they also require presentation. And that's the job of the person who has the information.
I'm still not sure what you want from me with that. Do you want me to scold people for not paying enough attention to you? You're doing a pretty good job yourself, really.
If you didn't ignore players, then why are you still complacent with a PL on
Vartsun
?
I'm against a policy lynch at this point. It might have been a good option earlier because it would have kept the game from being ruined for three different players.
Also, if you analyzed everything
TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE WROTE
; then why aren't you looking at us both as individuals
AND
a duo?
You're a hydra. You're two people, but one player. Townpoints or scumpoints from one apply to both.
Another thing here is, why would you ignore arguments or players in the first place? You're admitting to doing something like this - which should notably be antitown - but I don't think you're towny for pointing it own in yourself.
Because I'm ignoring certain things in order to focus on others. That's not antitown; that's prioritization, and we all do it. Most people just don't do it as deliberately as do I.
Look at the playerlist.
Does it look like anyone's leaving now?
Ugh. I don't see any consistency in your thoughts here.
Oh, I see what's going on. Sorry, there's been a misunderstanding. I've addressed that just recently.
Is he [Myloninja] more likely scum than the other players I guess you're suspecting?
Yes. For once, I have a strong scumread. Myloninja is red.
In post 252, doomfeathers wrote:3)
148, this wasn't a reason for a vote on
me/Varsoon
. You just placed a vote because you couldn't post more that night.
As stated. My reason for the vote was that I needed someone to vote for, and out of my pool, my gut and a quick glance said you were the scummiest.
Why do you have to vote someone? It's valid to talk prior to voting sometimes, you know.
And this is first time I heard directly that this hydra was in your lynchpool. Who else is in there?
Huh. I hadn't really considered not having a vote placed somewhere. I'll think about its strategic implications.
That was the problem. I didn't have a lynchpool at the time. I just picked you based on gut, without real reason, and I believe I said so.
In post 252, doomfeathers wrote:Varsoon's
busy right now, but I'm kind of holding out on voting until I speak and get in sync with him.
That makes sense. You don't seem the type to sit on it otherwise.
My solo game and my hydra game are not the same, regardless of alignment.
Of course, I have another head, and I understand that head before I act.
It's kind of the same as my solo game; I think to understand my own thinking, and then I act. I'm just quicker.
Relax, it was a compliment. You play aggressively, and you don't let off pressure. It's a good thing.
If it's not clear, that post was a reply to the deadline extension. Myloninja needs lynched, but we haven't talked today as much as we should have.
264 is a huge-ass associative based off no factual information.
As I said, relevant only after a scumflip. But I didn't want all that work to go to waste. Also, it was fun.
I guess I was wrong about JJD, too. I feel better about this lynch.
