micro 816-I: spaam (normal game) (gambe over)

[Irrelephant11]

shoshin is around and willing to talk
I'll do my best at paraphrasing

[Flavor Leaf]

mutant is never a scum odd-night roleblocker (would have won last night)
mutant is never town when I'm scum (I wouldn't block a mislynch like this)

This is why they are scum, RC.

Mutant though I was the doctor which is why i was roleblocked by them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will be away for the day. Might post WAY LATE tonight, but yeah. I’ll be away for the day.

Please don’t vote until I can come back.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL regardless of your alignment you should vote gemini
If you're town you'll hit scum
If you're scum you'll hit scum and look townier than RC does rn and maybe have a chance next lylo

This is why this is scum pandering.

Why would I ever see that Gemeni isn’t town here?

From my perspective, you being town requires Mutant to be town as well.

That means for me to believe that you two are town, i have to believe RC is scum, and this is townRC.

This is actually a slip, RC. As town, there’s absolutely zero reason he would make a “regardless of your alignment” comment. From his perspective, there CANT be a world where I am town if you are conftown.

Like, there’s absolutely zero reason he should be saying that here.

That is a Freudian slip right there.

[Flavor Leaf]

RC. I’m town. I’d never have gotten this far with you as town and me as scum duping you this hard, along with Maria.

You have that paranoia of me like you have every game at the end game.

Please, just trust that our town/town combo doesn’t need lose...

I’ll be back tonight or early tomorrow.

Don’t vote yet please.

[Irrelephant11]

RC. I’m town. I’d never have gotten this far with you as town and me as scum duping you this hard, along with Maria.

FL sure is good at appealing to ego

That means for me to believe that you two are town, i have to believe RC is scum, and this is townRC.

I no longer have any paranoia about RC being scum though so that's nice

RC did you want to talk to shoshin rn while we're all online? idk how often this will happen

[RadiantCowbells]

YES
hi
um
i don't actually know what to say when it comes down to it
do you have anything to say to me?

[Irrelephant11]

Something like:

"Where's your head at? Do you have uncertainty/concerns about mutant? Irrelephant? Why are you townreading FL (if anything)? I'd like to clear things up for you, but I don't know what you're thinking."

[RadiantCowbells]

aaah

[RadiantCowbells]

why were you and irrel wrong on gemini?

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin:

I was under the impression she was town because one time I saw her play as maf and she asked two awkward questions and then replaced out. After her slot's flip I thought she just generally couldn't take the pressure of having a red role. It seemed unlikely that she would

choose

a scum slot.
I now see that FL has been coaching the crap out of her. It's also possible she didn't have a choice but to be scum
Her vote has been key on multiple town lynches and everything regarding her being a doctor is completely and obviously bs.

Looking back, it's also now obvious that FL was playing from an informed POV. In the context of each flip it's v scummy how he always knew more than he should while making sure he got his way as scum

[Irrelephant11]

Me about gemini:

I was partially sheeping Shoshin's confident gemini townread, partially sheeping your confident gemini townread, and I separately came to the same conclusion as you that she was v unlikely to be scum unless Flavor was her partner, given the way she handled the D1 lynch. I'd also add that stungun as a friemd would

also

be very helpful for scum!gemini, regardless of stungun's alignment

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin just posted the same thing about stungun probably coaching her while I was writing the above post.

[RadiantCowbells]

At the time I thought FL's approach to the gamma wagon was basically a scumclaim in terms of him claiming to think a mylo lynch was town and not really doing anything about it while letting it go through and then trying to be townread for it

meh

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin wants you to look at gemini's progression on Gamma last game day from "idk" to "definitely scum"
She thinks it's very fake

[Irrelephant11]

At the time I thought FL's approach to the gamma wagon was basically a scumclaim in terms of him claiming to think a mylo lynch was town and not really doing anything about it while letting it go through and then trying to be townread for it

meh

Can I ask if/why you no longer feel this way? I thought it was a reason to townread him upon Gamma's red flip but the way you're describing it is exactly how I now see it

[RadiantCowbells]

at this point I'm trying to, like, not commit mentally to anything so I'm more just trying to get more info from everyone and I'll make the decision when I'm not feeling as bad about this game

i realize that's not particularly helpful to you but I just aaa

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin has a huge scumtell thing for you to look at for gemini (this will not be fun to paraphrase)

[RadiantCowbells]

If she's really scum then I'm pathetic at reading her right now so you would do me a great service by doing that

[Irrelephant11]

I'm not getting pings from Gamma, gut feeling that they're least likely to be scum. I dont see them actively "doing anything". If that makes sense. I wanted you out of the pool Mutant because you have more consistency compared to Flavor Leaf yes but I'm still getting scum pings because you seem to believe that I'm actually scum and I'm not, and It's easier for you to stay on me to get me mislynched in the case of scum!Mutant. That's my main thing. Also, How can I be scum with anyone here but you have "reasons" to only scumread me?

Gemini says "I'm not getting pings from Gamma... least likely to be scum"

Had intentions of responding asap, I have taxing things to deal with, that being said here are some thoughts regarding this.

I have a question

If Mutant wasn't scum, who would the scumteam be?

Irrelephant + Gamma? = That feels to..perfect. Too good to be true, if that makes sense because I've town read Rel mostly and Gamma isn't giving me pings. Also because earlier Gamma was scum reading them and if that was for distancing purposes..it wasn't really needed at the time.

Irrelephant + Flavor Leaf?= Flavor's been scum reading Rel often this game, if they're partners they he just threw him under the bus and backed over it several times throughout.

Gamma + Flavor Leaf?= maybe from a PoE standpoint but I don't see anything direct to actually support it this. Thoughts on this would be helpful.

Flavor Leaf + RC?= it's not out of the realm of possibility given them, It just doesn't seem as likely to me given how extra their play would feel. I'm saying that it's not..cohesive, doesn't make sense because RC could have just jumped on any slot FL was on and vice versa.

Gamma + RC?= Not much interaction to gauge how likely this is. Gut feeling is telling me no but if someone seems something I don't then I'm all ears of course.

RC+ Irrelephant?= Feels the same as Flavor + RC.

Here she has no clue who's scum but doesn't think it's Gamma, who isn't pinging them

Distancing is usually the reason if you're scum @Flavor Leaf. (I don't mean "you" and in you personally, I mean in general)

That being said - @Irrelephant on the case of Gamma/FL together - I mean..it's a possibility yeah, for me in terms of PoE but I don't see direct things to support it so I don't know.

She says "idk I guess it could maybe be gamma but I don't see it"

VOTE: Gamma

I think Mutant is the partner and not FL because FL just directly scum aligned themselves with Gamma with their recent postings instead of just biting the bullet (so to speak) and voting them (in the case of Scum!FL)

"Yeah, it's Gamma".
And she hammers.

This isn't town changing her mind, it's scum finding her way onto a mislynch without progression. Given Stungun is her friemd, if she was town, do you really think this is what her progression would look like? If he was trying to help her sort there would be a lot more depth to the read. It's shallow, waffle-y, and fake.

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin is insistent that the big thing here is the lack of depth to the read - gemini would be more thoughtful, sure, but especially in mylo with stungun as the partner trying to help her sort. He's the tryhardiest and there's no way he'd let her participate in a mislynch in such a lame way

[RadiantCowbells]

Fwiw I think mutant at least is town

[RadiantCowbells]

If we lynch FL and he's scum there's a 50% of a doc save in me/mutant and getting to 4 way and having autowin which would make my life a lot easier

[mutantdevle]

@Mutant what was up with your tunnel on Irrel D1

I think I've explained this before but it was basically something that I kinda believed and kinda didn't but I wanted to push rel over it to see what kind of content they would give as a response. I guess you could call it a reaction test but I see it as more than that because this push was me directly trying to grasp a read on irrelephant.

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin is happy to hear you say mutant is town

I agree that would be nice