Micro 879: The Black Site [game over]

[Skygazer]

VC 2.04

TDC (3): northsidegal, Voyc, Lil Uzi Vert
teacher (1): TDC, shEll
Lil Uzi Vert (1): teacher

Not voting (2): Auro and Shoshin

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-07-31 16:45:00).

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd prefer if someone removes their vote from TDC for the moment so that we can continue discussing without the threat of a hammer.

-Shoshin

Anyone hammering this early will probably be getting policy lynched tomorrow.

You mean because you already know I'm a mislynch?

+ there is a broad consensus on lynching me so shifting the blame to the hammerer is feeling a bit like working for tomorrow coming from someone on the wagon.

Or I’m just speaking from experience? A ton of scrutiny is going to come down on someone deciding to hammer this early under the circumstances. If the game doesn’t end today, the person who hammered has a good chance of being policy lynched. I’m not quite at a 100 percent regarding my read on you but it’s high enough to be content with your lynch right now. However I have been considering teacher.

[teacher]

Northside, can you jam with me a bit about TDC v. LUV?

I see what you are saying about TDC, but dont you see the same interactions, even both ways a little more (i.e., from R+M/Kop -> Schia/LUV)? And if not, how is the wagon (TDC on, LUV off) not a tie-break? TDC could have gotten off at any of our several near deadline experiences with only slight associational pings.

Put another way, what about LUV is redeeming them/making them higher than TDC for you? If the answer is nothing; that TDC is just lower, fair enough. In that case I'll give intent +24hrs after your answer as I think this game is stalling a bit. But if youre seeing something Im not, Im open to hearing it.

Actually, while I focused the question on NSG (since I see Voyc as essentially following her reasoning), the same question could go for to Schell.

@Schell, in 468, you suggest Me->TDC wins the game. Why are you leaving LUV out of it?

[Voyc]

@shell, what are your current thoughts on TDC?
Also do you have any links to previous games? As both town and scum?

@TDC, so at the end of D1, you would've still preferred lmao over Kop? That's what I'm getting from 414
Could you elaborate into why?

[TDC]

teacher: I don't follow your nsg inquiry. If she has no good reason why LUV is town you are ready to hammer me. This implies you would act differently if she had a good reason to read LUV town. How does that make sense?

Voyc: Spam had been intransparent, unresponsive and flip floppy. That has two possible motivations: a) no motivation to play the game (anti-town) b) making his slot unreadable (scum)
Lmao's catchup was a bit better, but it just didn't give me a town feel to compensate.

Kop's catchup somehow resonated better with me.

[Skygazer]

Auro and Shoshin have been prodded.

[Auro and Shoshin]

Extremely busy till Sunday - I'll VLA till then, Shoshin may post

-Auro

[teacher]

I don’t have objections at all to this (I. Fact it’s been an nimating concern of mine since I rarely get prodded but don’t notice how this game is lagging), but should I take this to me. That the three prod rule is flexible?

[Skygazer]

I don’t have objections at all to this (I. Fact it’s been an nimating concern of mine since I rarely get prodded but don’t notice how this game is lagging), but should I take this to me. That the three prod rule is flexible?

Yes.

[teacher]

teacher: I don't follow your nsg inquiry. If she has no good reason why LUV is town you are ready to hammer me. This implies you would act differently if she had a good reason to read LUV town. How does that make sense?

It was more conversational and less methodical than I think this portrays it. I’m asking her to engage with the fact that I see LUV as more scummy than you. The hammer bit was to take away the incentive to try to sell me on you, versus actually see where I am coming from on LUV.

That said, flipping a read on one slot also can often flip a read on others. See, for example, me pushing Voyc all day yesterday and then flipping that read and not pushing them at all today now that Kip’s alignment is known. If NSG sells me on town LUV, I’d want to go back to my board and reevaluate rather than commit to a hammer.

Bottom line, though, is All of this is a lot more thought than I put into the actual wording of the post, which was largely - NSG, consider LuV.

[shEll]

Seems as if not much is happening. I may reread some stuff tomorrow

[teacher]

Or maybe respond to direct questions pending to you -- see 477 and 478 -- might be more helpful at getting things happening than rereading. Try writing.

[teacher]

Nobody hammer yet please. We have a lot of time until deadline & I'd like to use it.

-Shoshin

Hows that going for you

[Auro and Shoshin]

You think TDC is town, Teacher? Please explain.

[teacher]

You think TDC is town, Teacher? Please explain.

Ummmm, I don’t. You think I’d offer to hammer someone I townread? PleSe explain?

I find LUV scummier. My list rn:
Me
NSG
Voyc
She’ll
You TDC
luV

[TDC]

Where would you get the impression that he thinks I'm town?

[TDC]

Shoshin: Still think I'm scum? If so, flip me, because this game is going nowhere without your vote on teacher.

[Auro and Shoshin]

I find LUV scummier. My list rn:
Me
NSG
Voyc
She’ll
You TDC
luV

Why are we as scummy as TDC?

[Voyc]

TDC what do you expect to accomplished by an A+S switch to teacher?

[Voyc]

Accomplish*

Like, why do you continue to specifically appeal to A+S?

[teacher]

I find LUV scummier. My list rn:
Me
NSG
Voyc
She’ll
You TDC
luV

Why are we as scummy as TDC?

I’ll answer yours when you answer mine. Why did you think I townread TDC?

[TDC]

Accomplish*

Like, why do you continue to specifically appeal to A+S?

They are not voting.

[TDC]

And that is what is stalling the game here. If they wanna lynch me that is going the lynch. If they don't we get some new dynamic. Just sitting there does nothing though, and it seems obvious to me that people are already losing interest.

[TDC]

Or to put it differently: Holding off on my lynch without actually exploring other possibilities just drains everyone's energy and motivation to work efficiently come tomorrow.

[Skygazer]

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