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[eth0s]

Pagetop

Official Vote Count 1.06

King Rat - Modest Mouse (chaotic good).

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Dweller

(2): ceejayvinoya, Ankamius

Ankamius

(1): HoldenGolden

HoldenGolden

(1): Enter

We Only Bus As Town

(1): Skitter30

Skitter30

(1): Heaven

Not Voting

(3): We Only Bus as Town, Blatant Scum, Dweller

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-28 18:00:00).

Mod notes:

Extending deadline by 48 hours due to 566 and high number of prods/replacement seeking so far.

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[eth0s]

Lil Uzi Vert has replaced HoldenGolden!

[dweller]

if dweller is scum, WOBAT is much more likely to be town

This is where the logic breaks down for me

1. Whats the relationship between wobat and dweller
2. Does this only apply to wobat, or to other people you scumlean as well

Like i just dont get what A has to do with B

chenn is better as scum than to play the way he is if he's scum with dweller

On one hand you are associating the two of us but on the other hand you say that we can't be scum together. I really can't get it.

If you think that I have anything to do with hydra then you should be scumreading both of us or you should think that we both may be town. Why do you think that we are on opposite teams if you have suspicions on both of us? I can't understand your logic.

[dweller]

I mean I am not saying that you are not town or I have suspicions on you. I still think that you are town but I needed clarification.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey guys

What’s shaking?

[dweller]

Hey Lil Uzi Vert

[We Only Bus As Town]

If there is a deep wolf in this game then I think that it’s Ank. Her linking of our slot to Dweller’s slot simply makes no sense. On the one hand she is arguing that she thinks that both us and Dweller are scummy, but that we can’t be scum together, even going so far as to conditionally call us town under the assumption that Dweller is scum, but if Dweller were to be lynched and flip town, we would instantly become her top scumread (and vice versa) based on that alone. In a purely objective sense, there is nothing that definitively rules out the possibility of a WOBAT/Dweller scumteam. When questioned on this front all she really said was that “Chenn wouldn’t be playing this way if he were scum with Dweller”, which doesn’t even make sense given our interactions with Dweller and the state of the game. I’m not understanding this insistence on trying to tie our slot to Dweller slot’s rather than just individually evaluating each of our slots. She hasn’t given a real explanation as to why us and Dweller couldn’t be TvT or SvS.

I think that Dweller is scummy. More so than Ank. But if I am wrong on my read there and Dweller is town and Ank is scum, then it’s clear that Ank is trying to setup us and Dweller as back-to-back mislynches.

- Town (Volxen)

[We Only Bus As Town]

Like volxen's dweller post there feels really, really icky

Dweller's stance towards Ank doesn't really make sense given Ank's treatment of his slot. If I were playing a game as a newbie and an experienced player -- let alone one who has a strong reputation as scum -- was aggressively pushing my slot, I would have at least some degree of paranoia that said player could be scum. Dweller's lack of paranoia on that front and the certainty with which he is townreading Ank isn't natural coming from a newb!town mindset. Especially considering that the entire basis of his townread on Ank revolves around how much "effort" she is putting in.

- Town (Volxen)

[dweller]

Like volxen's dweller post there feels really, really icky

Dweller's stance towards Ank doesn't really make sense given Ank's treatment of his slot. If I were playing a game as a newbie and an experienced player -- let alone one who has a strong reputation as scum -- was aggressively pushing my slot, I would have at least some degree of paranoia that said player could be scum. Dweller's lack of paranoia on that front and the certainty with which he is townreading Ank isn't natural coming from a newb!town mindset. Especially considering that the entire basis of his townread on Ank revolves around how much "effort" she is putting in.

- Town (Volxen)

Yes I was paranoid but I didn't want to escalate the discussion. Because most of the time heated discussions lead to mislynches. And nothing can be worse if both of the people involved in a debate are town. That's why I also didn't pushed her further. Regardless of she having suspicions on me and she finding me scummy, I think it will go in town's benefit if we have a person who really wants to figure stuff out. So I am satisfied with her overall effort. The only thing that I disagree with is she bringing WOBAT in the discussion when we were talking about me. This really rubbed me the wrong way.

I know that it is also my mistake that I didn't contribute much and gave my reads about others. And it is perfectly natural to scumread me for those reasons. And I accept it and I apologize for that. But now that I have more time I will try to analyze and solve the game because this is the best thing that a town should do.

I also want Ank to please give more better reasoning than she had already stated. Because there are some things that doesn't make sense. But if she doesn't come up with much better reasonings then I will have to reconsider my thoughts on her.

[Enter]

I think heated discussions are in general very good for town and rarely lead to MI's lynches as long as at least one party has enough control to try and reach an understanding in the end

[Blatant Scum]

Page 24?!

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Town Busser

[Ankamius]

Volxen is scum.

See you after work

[Enter]

Page 24?!

Reads, please.

Mention at least four players in your list and quote at least one post from each as an example.

Also please put your vote somewhere.

[Blatant Scum]

Page 24?!

Reads, please.

Mention at least four players in your list and quote at least one post from each as an example.

Also please put your vote somewhere.

I have a question.

Spoiler:

or

Spoiler:

?

[Blatant Scum]

my playstyle's changed a bit in the last few months, thank you

She goes more on gut feeling now.
Tonwreads people who have similar thoughflow as she, if I remember correctly.

[Blatant Scum]

he's just posting and having a good time
that sort of tone comes from town way more than it comes from scum imo

his posts arent' designed to push an agenda (unlike heaven's), he doesn't care what people think of him, he's just around and having fun

Yay, I am getting townreaded!

[Enter]

Spoiler:

WOBAT

[Ankamius]

Why are you all posting my selfies

[Blatant Scum]

Is Skitter good in 1v1 as town?
What are the chances that scum!Enter would want to enter 1v1 with him and try to get him lynched while Skitter is being townreaded?

[Blatant Scum]

I know that it is also my mistake that I didn't contribute much and gave my reads about others. And it is perfectly natural to scumread me for those reasons. And I accept it and I apologize for that. But now that I have more time I will try to analyze and solve the game because this is the best thing that a town should do.

@dweller, did you say something similar in any of your previous games?

[dweller]

My reads so far :

Town :
Enter
skitter
Ankamius
HG/LUV

Heaven
WOBAT
ceejay

Scum :
Blatant Scum

The ones in the middle are neutral.

[skitter30]

Hey guys

What’s shaking?

Hey

[skitter30]

Like volxen's dweller post there feels really, really icky

Dweller's stance towards Ank doesn't really make sense given Ank's treatment of his slot. If I were playing a game as a newbie and an experienced player -- let alone one who has a strong reputation as scum -- was aggressively pushing my slot, I would have at least some degree of paranoia that said player could be scum. Dweller's lack of paranoia on that front and the certainty with which he is townreading Ank isn't natural coming from a newb!town mindset. Especially considering that the entire basis of his townread on Ank revolves around how much "effort" she is putting in.

- Town (Volxen)

Ok this is a decent point i think

[dweller]

I know that it is also my mistake that I didn't contribute much and gave my reads about others. And it is perfectly natural to scumread me for those reasons. And I accept it and I apologize for that. But now that I have more time I will try to analyze and solve the game because this is the best thing that a town should do.

@dweller, did you say something similar in any of your previous games?

Nope I didn't. And why are you asking?