In post 140, shos wrote:Also I'm utterly confused as for why it seems I am universally scumread for pressuring Robb. I can't imagine a situation these three are all town.
I know I know. Stop posting.
Just think about this post. Then think about how I keep saying you haven’t explained yourself good enough.
Now I’ll stop
Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.
In post 201, Doctor Drew wrote:As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.
Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?
I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.
But.
That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.
I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.
It was an RVS vote, if I feel the need to I will vote him later if there is evidence.
eth0s wrote:@power27 what is your prior mafia experience? Looking at your ISO I'm getting the sense that you're new to the site but not forum mafia?
I've played 10 or so games on another site over the course of a couple years, along with some modding experience. On this site I played in one newbie game and then this.
On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much
In post 201, Doctor Drew wrote:As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.
Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?
I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.
But.
That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.
I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.
egh.
I like this post, but, ...ish. I mean I'm not sure if this is genuine.
I bolded the part which makes me like the post. I like it very much, it is good thinking.
The part above it - while true, it appears - I had no idea what Robb's meta was. Since I can only assume Drew knows that, because he knows I haven't played (he played in my first comeback game) in a long while, and since Robb is an alt which makes meta even harder, I'm not sure what to make of this.
In post 99, shos wrote:hmmmm looks like I irritated you a bit there
95-96 were posted in 9:04,9:06
97 in 9:23
98 in 9:31
hurrr VOTE: Robbnva
What relevance does this have? I think it was good posting and good insight by robbnva and it's pretty shitty of you to just stomp all over it and act like any of it was scum indicative.
the relevance is that the whole idea was generating content which will lead us out of RVS. Then Robb started acting up under the pressure, so I added pressure on top to see what happens. The result was a huge number of posts in varying times by Robb who I think is scum caught for the wrong reason.
In post 154, eth0s wrote:Shos weirdly picking me at random to be "reaction test"-ed and then never following up on it was weird. Then the way that he jumped on robbnva felt unnatural and mechanical. I think occam's razor says the whole thing is scum motivated and people are overthinking it
VOTE: shos
And again, you were a random pick to start up conversation, don't feel special. Enough reactions were provided by others so no reason to specially pick YOU. How on Earth is that Occam's razor
Not really liking this post. I am feeling better about Flicker . This whole “scum caught for the wrong reason”, is super pinging.
How did he “act up” and are you sr him for anything other than his reaction? If someone makes what I perceive to be a bad push on me, I won’t handle it well either. That’s NAI.
Like you literally acted like you were trying to get Ethos lynched for absolutely no reason whatsoever but he is supposed to be cool with that? What?
See my post with the quotes. Do you, as town, often write 8 (!) posts separately in such time intervals while the rest of the game is silent, on a D1? His first bundle of posts was literally before I even started pressuring him. The last half is after I voted for pressure. What pings you when I say this is scum caught for the wrong reason?
And please show me how I was trying to get ethos lynched. I barely mentioned him twice in RVS.
I actually have done that, especially when I’ve been upset or under pressure and no it’s 100% NAI for me. That’s my issue with your read on Robb, these things - his reaction, which you take such exception to - are entirely NAI.
If you want to convince me he’s actually scum, start focusing specifically on his play which may be AI, unlike his “reaction” or your perception of it, which isn’t. The more you fixate on his reaction, the more I think you’re off base.
Like maybe you weren’t being serious but if we had the exact same playerlist here as in Timeshift, he could easily have been lynched. Yes, town really was that unbelievably horrifically bad in that game. so I think it was a silly thing to do, if you weren’t actually sr him.
In post 67, Flicker wrote:I just didn't see anything scummy about it.
But weren’t you hoping to read the potential reaction? How could you know if the reaction to your inquiry would be scummy or not?
Fair point, there could have been a scummy reaction. I guess I'm just not creative enough to imagine what that would look like.
Sounds like someone who knows shos is town.
VOTE: Flicker
I'd actually argue exactly the opposite. If memory serves me right, I used to do that on RVS in games to provoke reactions. Can't remember if I did that as scum too though (last scum game was probably 2 years ago...). I was surprised to see flickers post as he indeed was spot on.
While that may be some sort of white knighting, I didn't even begin to have any pressure on ME so WK wasn't needed or useful for flickerscum.
Interesting
Either way I'm happy to say I broke RVS yoooo
In post 82, shos wrote:Nononono I'll fix that
>>Pushes rvs wagon
>>Starts real alignment indicative discussion instead of garbage
>>Broken out of RVS
In post 67, Flicker wrote:I just didn't see anything scummy about it.
But weren’t you hoping to read the potential reaction? How could you know if the reaction to your inquiry would be scummy or not?
Fair point, there could have been a scummy reaction. I guess I'm just not creative enough to imagine what that would look like.
Sounds like someone who knows shos is town.
VOTE: Flicker
I'd actually argue exactly the opposite. If memory serves me right, I used to do that on RVS in games to provoke reactions. Can't remember if I did that as scum too though (last scum game was probably 2 years ago...). I was surprised to see flickers post as he indeed was spot on.
While that may be some sort of white knighting, I didn't even begin to have any pressure on ME so WK wasn't needed or useful for flickerscum.
Interesting
Either way I'm happy to say I broke RVS yoooo
You’re arguing the opposite on the sense you think it makes flicker town?
Yes indeed.
I’m townleaning Flicker rn, so these posts make me think you’re either town or scum white knighting her. What I do know is, that you haven’t given me a valid reason to sr Robb. It does seem like you actually believe your sr on him but being convinced you’re right, doesn’t make him scum.
I do too and I really don’t understand why Shos is pushing him so hard. What I’m trying to figure out is it an SvT or a TvT. Is shos scummy town here or just scum?
In post 201, Doctor Drew wrote:As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.
Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?
I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.
But.
That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.
I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.
In post 211, power27 wrote:On robb vs shos
It seems most likely town/town
maf/town or town/maf wouldn't work because scum wouldn't want to get into such a big argument, and they are both equally provoking the other
maf/maf is obviously not it why in the world would they be bussing so much
In post 201, Doctor Drew wrote:As said before I feel confident in Robb as town, I keep going back and forth on Shos though.
Can you explain your thought process a bit? Why back and forth?
I don't like their push on Robbvna, feels contrived......and after he mentioned the irritated think about Robb it was almost like he was playing to Robb's meta about being a bit of a hot head.....like trying to goat him into do doing something scummy that he could latch onto.
But.
That same tactict could get an emotional player to slip up if they were scum as well.
I still lean scum on Shos, but still trying to suss out the motivation.
egh.
I like this post, but, ...ish. I mean I'm not sure if this is genuine.
I bolded the part which makes me like the post. I like it very much, it is good thinking.
The part above it - while true, it appears - I had no idea what Robb's meta was. Since I can only assume Drew knows that, because he knows I haven't played (he played in my first comeback game) in a long while, and since Robb is an alt which makes meta even harder, I'm not sure what to make of this.
151 clearly contradicts 59. It sounds like you were trying to explain away what you were doing. So, doing reaction tests are townie, contradicting yourself, usually isn’t.
In post 221, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:151 clearly contradicts 59. It sounds like you were trying to explain away what you were doing. So, doing reaction tests are townie, contradicting yourself, usually isn’t.
