Micro 943: Treestump Express [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.10

[2] Tuxedo Mask :

ProHawk (111), votato (267)

[2] Chemist1422 :

Porkens (336), Morning Tweet (337)

[2] ceejayvinoya :

Quick (216), Conspire (354)

[1] Porkens :

Tuxedo Mask (254)

[1] Quick :

Chemist1422 (115)

[1] Conspire :

ceejayvinoya (16)

[0] Not voting :

With 9 alive, it’s 5 to treestump. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-01 21:54:59).

Prodding ceejayvinoya.

[Morning Tweet]

{Conspire, Tux}
{Quick, Pork, ProHawk}
{votato, Chem, ceejay}

I'm at the part of the game where ive townread virtually every player -- usually that means im wrong. :'(

If Chem is town, I can very well see ceejay + a townread i failed, maybe ceejay + votato as well.

i'm feeling like Pork/Quick are town now, which is making me also wonder if Chem has just been scum the whole time as well. I think Ceejay and votato are both viable partners.

Ceejay is really easy to just call scum though -- would like to hear from him sometime soon and make a better decision there

[votato]

what made you change your tune on porkens, MT?

[Porkens]

Brotato keeps confusing me with his posts.

[votato]

Brotato keeps confusing me with his posts.

thats just because our alignments are different.

[Porkens]

Cute

[votato]

Cute

unlike you

[Porkens]

Personal attack

[votato]

attack me back pls

[Morning Tweet]

I think you're both cute in your own ways !

what made you change your tune on porkens, MT?

A little bit of the "too scummy" angle, a little bit of his "pls no im town" being slightly like his town meta, and some posts i get some town vibes from.

with my current reads, ceejay/chem can easily be scum together as well and they're his two votes

Spoiler: string of pork posts

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

The only other game ive found where he does something like this is a town game where he got lynched on D1

VOTE: unvote this was a terrible vote. Tux has given town responses 80-90% on reread.

I still believe chemists opening gambit is more likely scum. I keep coming back to that fundamental thought. I’m pretty sure we could find the partner examining the reactions, but since game ends with one scum why overthink it.

VOTE: chemist

I like his reevaluation on Tux and the vote on Chem is a good bet if pork is town

my play style changed a lot in that era. in the olden days Don’t kill me I’m town would get you summarily lynched, but when I came back in 2015ish the Meta had changed and I had to adjust. I guess in general subtlety is gone? Dunno maybe that’s not a fair judgment but on the surface level it’s true at least (I know that sounds circular)

I like him discrediting my meta read on him, feel like if he were scum he would have let it sit. Yeah yeah I know WIFOM but whatever

Why didn't you do your naked early reads thing this game, Porkens? I happened to see you exercise those in a game long ago, and I was looking forward to seeing it again when I saw you sign up for this game.

~Cosmic

I’m trying to be a bit more deliberate in this game considering there’s an opportunity to win day 1. I’d like to do so for ego.

i just kinda like this

I kinda feel cj is a bit lynchbaity but since I’m the alternative yeah I’m fine with that :p

Lol he is so scummy sounding though. its a bit hard to believe he's scum

[Conspire]

Lol he is so scummy sounding though. its a bit hard to believe he's

scum

Do you mean

town

?

Nice scumslip there, Morning.

~Cosmic

[Porkens]

I think they mean I’m too scummy to be scum. A solid argument! Smart!

[Morning Tweet]

Lol he is so scummy sounding though. its a bit hard to believe he's

scum

Do you mean

town

?

Nice scumslip there, Morning.

~Cosmic

I think they mean I’m too scummy to be scum. A solid argument! Smart!

Yeah that's more what i was going for. I haven't done my signature scumslip yet i dont think

[ProHawk]

Okay, so I just got through an ISO of Tux and I really just can't get past my bias here...

Conspire...

I wanted to see where you were going with it. I thought you had a plan, and that if the plan was simply to vote the first person to follow it would be a pretty scummy plan.
What do you think of the other people on your wagon?

Where does the tone of this post point Tux's read of Chem? Answer that and then go read post #59 Why does Tux like Porkins' post?

I'm going to take a break from Tux for a bit and digest all of the stuff I have missed on, I see ceejay is still gone... but may likely be replaced.

[ProHawk]

so you could run the WIFOM "conspire didnt hammer, ergo town" argument. actually, didnt that logic come from you initially, tux?

But there is no world in which scum!us doesn't hammer town!chem for towncred because we don't need it. We can just do our job and go to lylo.

tbh...i still kinda don't understand votato's pairing but oh well

~Esper

There is a lot of this logic floating around, and I want to put in my two cents here.

I don't know about anyone else, but this is my first time playing this setup and if I were scum, I don't necessarily think that I would have thought about quick-hammering particularly that quick into the game had my team-mate not been Chem. So for me there is a very real possibility that there are other scenarios aside from the "optimal" play as scum at work here.

Especially looking at you Conspire, you have two heads with which to figure out how to make a play, and if you are scum here then you would have had to also make that correct play with your scum-team as well.

I guess what I am saying is that people often don't play "optimally" and some of us are basing a lot of reads based on that optimal play.

[ProHawk]

I really like MT for town.

This Post on the voting analysis was a ton of work. There is a lot that I don't really get or understand because it's hard to present association this early in the game without actually having flips. But it feels very town scum hunting and trying to figure stuff out.

I also feel like the end conclusion meshes with how I'm feeling about Porkins and Ceejay

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Finally we get a reads list from porkens...

Conspire,MT
Tux,pro hawk,quick
Check,contato,chem

Tux sits squarely in the third from the top position on reads, and then we get a vote on tux in 270.

VOTE: tux oh god please stop I’m not scum

This vote reads super opportunistic to me. There is a bit of talk about being too-scummy to be scummy, but I don't really subscribe to that logic.... if it looks like a duck and quacks like one...??

I was actually going to say that I didn't think Tux and Porkens were scum together until I saw this...

VOTE: unvote this was a terrible vote. Tux has given town responses 80-90% on reread.

I still believe chemists opening gambit is more likely scum. I keep coming back to that fundamental thought. I’m pretty sure we could find the partner examining the reactions, but since game ends with one scum why overthink it.

VOTE: chemist

I think I want to

unvote

VOTE: Porkens

Porkins, I don't think you ever explained WHY you voted for Tux, just that it was a bad vote, so let's start there.

[ProHawk]

Are quick's posts going over anyone's heads or is it just me?

Also, ceejay may be replaced hopefully soon? I don't like the timing on it though...

[Porkens]

It was pure self-preservation, his wagon was competing, but it was stupid.

[ProHawk]

It was pure self-preservation, his wagon was competing, but it was stupid.

If you didn't feel like he was scum, why him over you?

[Quick]

Are quick's posts going over anyone's heads or is it just me?

It's not just you and it's probably not that my posts are going over your head. More that my reasoning for things is just weird.

[Porkens]

It was pure self-preservation, his wagon was competing, but it was stupid.

If you didn't feel like he was scum, why him over you?

If you actually read, you’d see that I hadn’t read him carefully at the time. When I reread I realized how town his posts were.

[Quick]

I'm starting on notes and going to go over the game.

In the meantime, I really like how Conspire slowed the game down with their unvote(?)

[Quick]

I'm glad Conspire thinks Tux look better now. I still feel ProHawk town though I think as well

Not sure what votato did to deserve a top 4 town spot from Chem

{Conspire, Tux, ProHawk}
{Chem, Quick}
{ceejay, Pork, votato}

okay, this is better I think. There are a couple things I'm interested in rereading when I have the time later

@Pork, ceejay

got any reads yet on any players?

What happened in between your last reads list and this that has you putting Tux and Conspire as top tier and Chem and myself as a tier down? This progression really makes zero sense...

Spoiler: towniest pings to least towniest

Chem
ProHawk
Quick
-
Tux
Conspire
-
ceejay
-
votato
Porken

[Quick]

@mod

Does a player flip when treestumped?

Yes.

@MOD

,

Do ALL Treestumps flip?

[Quick]

Okay, so where I am at rn is basically this:

Chemist, Conspire, ProHawk
cj, Tuxedo, MT
votato, Porkins,

Not seeing why Tuxedo is Town here...

What changed between these two posts to make Tux drop a tier? - that's how I'm understanding the progression, correct me if I'm wrong.

~Cosmic

Easy TRs on Tux give me the heebeegeebees.