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[Wright and Justice]

that's E-2.

[Wright and Justice]

And btw most of what mollie said to me was basically trying to turn me against Koba, telling me that they were the one who should be apologizing for the situation of mollie calling certain posts of mine not mine, which I do not approve of, because out of the the posts she did that with, 2 of the 3 were ones that were me spilling my guts on some personal struggles of mine. So it wasn’t cool that mollie basically tried to dodge responsibility for in essence saying “I don’t believe you when you say you have these struggles”.

-Justice

[pirate mollie]

And btw most of what mollie said to me was basically trying to turn me against Koba, telling me that they were the one who should be apologizing for the situation of mollie calling certain posts of mine not mine, which I do not approve of, because out of the the posts she did that with, 2 of the 3 were ones that were me spilling my guts on some personal struggles of mine. So it wasn’t cool that mollie basically tried to dodge responsibility for in essence saying “I don’t believe you when you say you have these struggles”.

-Justice

I didn't try to dodge responsibility for anything. ANYTHING.

I pointed out that I took your hydra partner at their word, that they would post under your Justice tag and at the time, you did not argue with this.

And I took them at their word. I believed that they did what they said they would do. And then I said I take things literally, because I tend to do that.

Then you switched arguments and made it about how you would never allow a scummate to bus, ever. (I can pull up the most recent game where one of your teammates tried to bus another one)

Sandwhiched between all of this, is you getting outraged because I found your outrage that I thought that Dkoba would impersonate you [even though they said they would] to be fake. I pointed out that we are in a mafia game,

The issue I am having with your slot is that it is consistently on a trajectory of discrediting me by either gaslighting me, or scumreading me.

I also pointed out that if your hydra partner was consistently ignoring the boundaries you set, like you keep claiming they are, then this is an issue within your hydra that you need to resolve.

I am now wondering, why you haven't resolved it.

I am titlted because your slot keeps making this not about the game, but me as a person.

And I am sick of it.

[pirate mollie]

Also, perhaps I need to detail why I’m being so skeptical of W&J. Because as much as I hate to say it, they will do anything and everything to win within the bounds of the game. I have seen them get into heated fights with their Partners, absolutely railroad players that weren’t sufficiently loud but had a good grasp for what was happening, engage in blatant manipulation, claim a nonsensical PR (and get away with it!), and even outright spam the thread as Scum. Everything that’s been said about their Town game is accurate btw - it’s based a lot on gut and emotion, but it tends to be mighty accurate. They can also switch on a dime. Which is why it’s so hard to pin them down early, and why I would caution anyone about forming a hard read of the slot unless they’re leading consecutive Scum executions and truly don’t make sense as Scum (though by then, they’re usually just NK’ed).

its been a sludge because the 2 main pushes have been mostly quiet and not active and hey - that kinda makes it *hard* to get movement.


notice how nobody is sheeping you on my slot now?

Are you a scumhunting genius now? That you can see through me so well when others have seen the same evidence and said basically "nah thats fucking NAI garbage"

humble thyself.

Koba I have seen you dismiss cases against your slot this forcefully as Scum though, so maybe take it down a notch? You can disagree with piratemollie’s case without minimizing their actual ability as Town.

I am not forgetting any of this, and neither should anyone else.

[DkKoba]

mollie state a single read challenge (impossible)

[Wright and Justice]

mollie state a single read challenge (impossible)

-wright

[Wright and Justice]

you lack reading comprehension - because look at the last sentence. Andres clearly stated that the previous in that paragraph should be discarded if im just leading town elims.


What did Alice flip?

Who was the primary pusher of Alice?

Who was Alice trying to discredit within nearly all their posts?

[Wright and Justice]

Call us scum here.

I dare you.

[Wright and Justice]

Hello everyone. Wow already 5 pages. But most of it comes from Wright and Justice.

Oh nevermind its only 2 pages but its felt like 4
I think my brain messed up thread pages with hood

Maybe you misunderstood with a scum thread (;

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.

Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.

Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum

Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.

1) "could be scum" is a shit reason. You are accusing me that I would never do that as town(which is impossible as a) I did it in a previous iteration of this setup, b) I am town this game) so nice try alice
2) I self meta on the regular as town. Wanna get dunked on? I refuse to talk about self meta as *scum* because it makes it harder for me actually. A conclusion with no basis in fact.

Take a shot and reread it.

Alice: why is 1) scum lean and not NAI? That logic only makes sense if you come from it with the notion that they are scum only. Show me why it's AI.

Yes it is not scum only thing of course, but I can see a plan to attack anyone who doesn't abide by proposed startegy to be attacked (Mollie). That's scummy. Other than that which is not talking place here, when you do mech talk without doing reads.

I think Wright and Justice can be partnered with HoldenGolden. I think they push the same agenda. I will elaborate on this later.

My case on WJ and HGwas around T3. T3 was strongly townreading WJ and I noticed that without any reason HG put him as a townread. I had a closer look at both of the isos when HG started questioning my read on WJ indicating that it is very weak and nai arguments were used.

I just checked HG iso and their posts make sense provided that WJ is their partner. Didn't look at WJ, beside first 5 pages. Maybe something has changed.

My case on WJ and HGwas around T3. T3 was strongly townreading WJ and I noticed that without any reason HG put him as a townread. I had a closer look at both of the isos when HG started questioning my read on WJ indicating that it is very weak and nai arguments were used.

I just checked HG iso and their posts make sense provided that WJ is their partner. Didn't look at WJ, beside first 5 pages. Maybe something has changed.

Can you give some examples of the posts you are saying "make sense" as partnered?

Also now that a game has finished that had both of us in it, (I was Jolyne), does knowing I was Jolyne in that game change your view on me here?
-Wright

They mentioned T3!Town only once, then it dropped to null. It is basically the timing of their read. What happened?
1. You start talking about mech.
2. Because of that (or maybe something else) you pocketed T3.
3. HG starts to tr'ing T3.

7/8 posts mention my slot in a negative light.

Please tell us more about how we are partnered with this.

I really need a good laugh.

I consider this game solved.
Donezo.

It's heavily likely either you or Facebonez.

And tbh i really wanna get rid of you first.

What I think is you are frozen scum who was desperate as fuck to get us mislimmed and failed miserably and are now grasping at anything to advance the gamestate.


and no, I will not be sorry if you flip town because I think everyone playing here will agree that with a scum lim secured you're a perfectly safe person to elim.

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 2.2

piratemollie(2)

~ T3(1), Wright and Justice(14)

Not Voting (5): Facebones(0), HoldenGolden(0), innocentvillager(1), Flea The Magician(0), piratemollie(3)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-13 17:00:57)

FLAVOR

"You see spirits pass you"

[innocentvillager]

I’m not sure here

maybe I will relook mollie

also no longer convinced WJ is town either for some reason

part of me is considering the Alice got bussed hard equity

[innocentvillager]

I thought this flip would make me more confident in the gamestate but I don’t think I am solidly town on anyone rn

[innocentvillager]

what was the case for T3 town again? and Flea roughly?

[Wright and Justice]

I’m not sure here

maybe I will relook mollie

also no longer convinced WJ is town either for some reason

part of me is considering the Alice got bussed hard equity

oh fuck off

[innocentvillager]

again I guess facebones is still kind of the easy answer but there’s the tinfoil part of me that’s getting nervous about flipping there

[Wright and Justice]

"bussed hard"

yes i randomly fucking bussed alice when the lim was between you and facebonez IV, very fucking smart lmfao

[innocentvillager]

Alice was p useless is it crazy for me to think scum could’ve made a big show of it when there are zero mechanics to hurt a solo scum victory?

[innocentvillager]

I’m just considering the possibilities

[innocentvillager]

I mean Alice literally scum claimed in andres’s hood immediately for some reason? Maybe they didn’t want to play scum

[Wright and Justice]

so i planned to bus alice from *checks notes* before post 113?

[Wright and Justice]

no im not going through this fucking wifom bus bullshit again

[innocentvillager]

relax I’m not pushing you yet but it’s hard for me fmpov to be completely confident it didn’t happen

like honestly, you are still close to top town for me lol

[innocentvillager]

so i planned to bus alice from *checks notes* before post 113?

I’m not sure why you think it had to happen this early?

busses can start off as just early distancing/anti associatives, I’ve seen scum go after each other early on in the game ish

only later did the bus become more serious, after you got over my wagon

I’m just saying it’s possible

[Wright and Justice]

i just finished a game last week where i buried a scum gamma and the next dayphase had people like you IV being all paranoid that i bussed gamma when gamma was shading my slot subtly *IN A SIMILAR WAY ALICE WAS HERE*


fun fact: its a consistent scumtell when someone is egging on shade on a town slot, i.e. me.


also, fun factoid: a scumgame with alice in it just finished recently, let's link it and look at how alice was in that game, shall we?
i admit i was spectating that other game and part of my read was based from that game to be more confident in it.


IV, you either case mollie or FB.

the time for tinfoil garbage is not today unless you actually find evidence

i dont want to see dumb vague accusations against T3/Me/Holden/Flea.

if you think one of us is scum, you need to come in swinging with a case not a bunch of "could be's"

[Wright and Justice]

it's also possible im just town who buried a person who was shading me all game


so frankly your point is like pretty garbage and not conclusive