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I have to look at this from 3 angles:

1) shadd town: That makes shadd just right about beating scum, I still would not want to lose to jesters by a kingmaking scum, when we can prevent this by eliminating scum immediately.

2) shadd maf: The player's motives and reads have been so obfuscated in this game, I am not willing to simply believe they didn't think I was jester (even though I would see it as a pretty strange read as I probably would just clownpost all day if I was jester, but stranger conclusions have been drawn in this game).

3) shadd jester: In this case shadd either speculated their theory would backfire immediately, or they townread me and have a followup plan for tomorrow in mind.

I do not see 3) being very likely. In particular: I have no idea what they would do tomorrow if they are jester. 1) is probably still the most likely possibility here, then 2), then 3). But from my view, if you correctly lock me as town, it would be just as or even more (depending on if we find scum today) game winning as locking shadd as town, so I have to cover all possibilities here and disagree with shadd's suggestion.

If it's gonna be me or someone else, this might be the first day where I'll cast 2 votes on the players I think not being jesters. Haven't made up my mind yet, who I think is the jester here though. RRs kneejerk agreeal with shadd seemed like a jester in panic mode because they read town would win and felt like they had to do something quickly.

(also, while RH9 did hammer, they really hesitated a long time before they did)

In post 800, WINfried wrote:I'll cast 2 votes

There's only one Mafia left, what's the point of voting twice if you're Town?

There is only one scum left, but I don't know who it is.

Alright, and if you vote Town, Mafia + Jester can hammer that. The more votes you make, the higher the chance of you missing and allowing that.

That would require both of them knowing the player they are going to hammer is town. But that's somewhat beside the point. If the choice is just about another townie dying or me, I'll still take the other townie.

In post 795, Galron wrote:I agree that this confirms you not mafia, but I don't think you were ever at e-1, so I can't rule out jester.

if i were jester, i wouldn't have confirmed myself as not-mafia (something i could have done is just not posted during that time). i guess the universe where i'm jester doesn't really matter because i don't have a wincondition in that case. so like what am i doing

In post 800, WINfried wrote:I am not willing to simply believe they didn't think I was jester

this is once again a concern that can be remedied by the fact that i'm interested in voting you today.

VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

the period where he was e-1 occurred between like midnight and 2am somewhere-in-germany time so regardless of jesterness theres ample reason to believe he would have quite simply been asleep BUT!!!!! if he was randomly awake and saw it and was jester he wold have hammered himself.........................

i guess i'm willing to say . the reason i say this is because there is possibility a kingmaking situation being able to happen tomorrow if winnie flips town, which like sucks and i don't think that should count. in particular it wolud just come down to whether galron & i make it to the buzzer at the start of the last day before mafia & jester do. so i'm declaring my vote here (subject to change) in case that like the pre-emptive vote would get to be accepted i guess.

In post 801, WINfried wrote:(also, while RH9 did hammer, they really hesitated a long time before they did)

We were in ELO. It is my general preference that hammering in ELO isn't rushed because then you can think more clearly when you are hammering.

In post 808, schadd_ wrote:VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

schadd, remind. me if Winfried ever mentioned a world where bugspray flips Town before they flipped VT.

In post 812, RH9 wrote:

In post 808, schadd_ wrote:VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

schadd, remind. me if Winfried ever mentioned a world where bugspray flips Town before they flipped VT.

I'm not schadd_, but I did check, and no he did not.

In post 790, Radical Rat wrote:Well fuck, I've just been wrong on all my reads this game huh?

I do still think RH9 is Jester, and WINfried has the highest chance of being AtE's partner, so... Welcome to the Town I guess, schadd_?

VOTE: WINfried

I know it's early, but we're not in Elo anymore, and I really don't expect to change my mind on this one.

schadd_ doesn't this vote confirm radical rat as town?

Actual it confirms him as not jester

They, sorry. I think I've been getting schadds pronouns wrong too. Sorry about that

I think this game is over one way or another but I need to do something first. I'm claiming intent.

In post 814, Galron wrote:

In post 790, Radical Rat wrote:Well fuck, I've just been wrong on all my reads this game huh?

I do still think RH9 is Jester, and WINfried has the highest chance of being AtE's partner, so... Welcome to the Town I guess, schadd_?

VOTE: WINfried

I know it's early, but we're not in Elo anymore, and I really don't expect to change my mind on this one.

schadd_ doesn't this vote confirm radical rat as town?

i dont care about town. if winfried is mafia or jester the game is over, if winfried is town then radical rat is something else

im fine with he & it

In post 813, Radical Rat wrote:

In post 812, RH9 wrote:

In post 808, schadd_ wrote:VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

schadd, remind. me if Winfried ever mentioned a world where bugspray flips Town before they flipped VT.

I'm not schadd_, but I did check, and no he did not.

That's interesting. I wonder why. To be honest, this feels like Winfried is confbiased in someway or another.

Galron wrote:Actual it confirms him as not jester

i dont see how it would do that. mafia and jester both don't have anything in particular to do during this day phase i think.

In post 821, schadd_ wrote:

Galron wrote:Actual it confirms him as not jester

i dont see how it would do that. mafia and jester both don't have anything in particular to do during this day phase i think.

I agree. Mafia just needs to avoid elimination and Jester just wants the opposite while Town wants to eliminate Mafia and not Jester.

Jester's need the game not to end. That vote risks that occurring.

VOTE: winnie

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