Micro 1041: Geriatric F11 [Postgame]

[Umlaut]

Less than three hours left. I think it's reasonable not to wait around for Three at this point.

[Andante]

Did someone say hammer my TR? I can do that!

[Andante]

VOTE: Three

legggooooo

[Umlaut]

Perfect! Thanks for the eleventh-hour betrayal, I appreciate it.

[Andante]

Three, the doctor, has died XD

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.09

Three (5):

Umlaut, joqiza, mc esther, Dwlee99, Andante

Dwlee99 (3):

Three, Sleepless Assassin, Looker

Not Voting (1):

Roadkill

With 9 alive, it took 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 was January 25 at 9:00 PM EST.

Reserve Posts Used

joqiza (1)
Looker (6)

[catboi]

Three

was eliminated Day 1.

He was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

[catboi]

It is now

Night 1

.

The deadline for Night 1 is

January 27

at

7:30 PM EST

. Submit night actions by PM, if applicable.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-01-27 20:30:00)

[catboi]

mc esther

died Night 1. She was a

Town Cop.

[catboi]

Vote Count 2.00

Not Voting (7):

Andante, Dwlee99, joqiza, Looker, Roadkill, Sleepless Assassin, Umlaut

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

The post cap will reset in

(expired on 2022-01-28 22:00:00)

Deadline for Day 2 is February 3 at 9:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-02-03 22:00:00)

Reserve Posts Used

joqiza (1)
Looker (6)

[Andante]

Did someone say hammer my TR? I can do that!

lol am I shocked TR flipped town? Nope

[Andante]

2/10
However, I did get to thinking, and I think this makes the most sense VOTE: Sleepless

[Looker]

Three always dies.

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2/10
However, I did get to thinking, and I think this makes the most sense VOTE: Sleepless

What makes you feel this way?

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I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

[Andante]

3/10 I'll elaborate later, Sleepless is definitely maf here though

see, Looker, your comment
> Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
- Why would maf be have a presence/strong role against 2 town back to back? wouldn't maf be more likely to let town lead the bad decisions, then if town was actually correct, spin it in a way that makes them look towniest? So later, they can look back and go "see I had this case against maf!!"

I think Umlaut would be town here, I really do. I TR initiative more than sitting back and coasting.

Roadkill.. could be a better choice than umlaut? tbh Roadkill had a strong start then seemed to just dissapear, so idk much on roadkill. Starting strong then dissapearing also feels maf indicative


See Sleepless never really did too much, other than just go "I'm here at eod to hammer whatever" tried to stay out of the spotlight

[Dwlee99]

<resist urge to just sheep andante>

Looker, didn't you want me dead yesterday? What changed overnight? You're talking to me like you townread me

[Umlaut]

My bad on Three, folks, I feel like I was the one who really championed that wagon.

I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

First of all, I did

what?

I pushed the cop? Are you talking about my vote for her on page one? Because the last time I gave any kind of read on Esther it was

Of the players with votes currently on them, I'm never voting Esther or Andante and not likely to vote Dwlee.

which is not very much of a push.

Secondly, even if this were true, how would the fact that the person I pushed later turned out to be a Cop be relevant to my alignment? I checked the setup and there's no Mafia Night 0 Rolecop.

[Looker]

<resist urge to just sheep andante>

Looker, didn't you want me dead yesterday? What changed overnight? You're talking to me like you townread me

I don't. You're the counterwagon to a town miselim and I want to know your thoughts (which, I think this post was meant to dodge...?).

Spoiler:

My bad on Three, folks, I feel like I was the one who really championed that wagon.

I'm thinking Umlaut or Roadkill -

@Dwlee99

, what do you think?

• Umlaut pushed both the Cop and the miselim, so maybe he's in control as scum (leader)?
  
• Roadkill pushed the Cop and Andante (lack of OMGUS is interesting), and wasn't on any wagon at EOD

Sleepless did ride Dwlee through the day, though

First of all, I did

what?

I pushed the cop? Are you talking about my vote for her on page one? Because the last time I gave any kind of read on Esther it was

Of the players with votes currently on them, I'm never voting Esther or Andante and not likely to vote Dwlee.

which is not very much of a push.

Secondly, even if this were true, how would the fact that the person I pushed later turned out to be a Cop be relevant to my alignment? I checked the setup and there's no Mafia Night 0 Rolecop.

Fair, but what are the alternative justifications for suspicion? You also defended Roadkill putting Andante at e-1 on the very first page. I'm working with what I've got here. I'm asking for more, but the primary response seems to be defensiveness at this point.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Vote Dwelee

I don't really think anything has changed

[Roadkill]

:/

it’s... a little frustrating to have to defend a weaker ending to a strong start when the reasoning is personal, but... irl has been rough and it’s sapped away at time and energy. i joined this game specifically because i often lack those things, and having a lower energy reserve pulled on by other things... yeah, sucks.

i would have been on dwlee eod but i didn’t return to the site until after the day ended. i don’t think it would have went through regardless and it’s a bit moot to say now, after the fact, but the dwlee’s eod bothered me.

for a tiny bit of self meta, i’m pretty slow moving and even the post that dwlee made, where they spoke about both myself and looker being optimal for... being more likely to be on more teams? it wasn’t enough to move me. but the three-post was. i’ve been thinking about a way to describe it better other than “my intuition is screaming at this” but...

the best i can get is that i think it looks like solving to list out a bunch of teams and say they work. you throw out some reads and then you’re left with a pool you can organize a bit and go “these people are best get them” and it’s... hard to work against that? there’s not really a standing for people to poke into that sort of thing. maybe because i’m one of those people i’m looking into it more but it feels..: baseless, especially when you follow up with “will kill someone else though” and tag on a reasoning that towns will accept.

~

it’s also a little frustrating that i don’t scumread looker. he seems... caught up on my early vote, without i guess engaging a bit more with everything else that followed? “i don’t believe it” isn’t something i can engage on in kind, because you either do or don’t believe me for something that early. i don’t think either that it’s fair to use against me my lack of a vote when i feel like the catalyst to the counterwagon in a game that was fairly slow until the end.

but *fair* isn’t really... applicable here in a read sense; i think looker is town despite my grumpiness through his actions and also his predecessor’s, but this is sort of an... open invitation for looker to talk to me? rather than going back and forth through pseudo-interactions.

(also to andante, given she pointed out the lack of energy eod. i should have more now, when i’m home and it’s the weekend. what do you think about the dwlee counter wagon?)

(what does /everyone think about it?/)

VOTE: dwlee

[Roadkill]

also, talking about roles sometimes makes me feel like “ahh, don’t do that...” but for here i think it’s prudent to also ask for opinions on an admittedly hot take:

i don’t think we have a doctor in this game and i think that if vote anyone who claims it, they should still die. that we had a cop that died, and a doctor that either wasn’t on them or was successfully roleblocked despite no one claiming it feels... unlikely?

(i considered not mentioning this to see if anyone would claim it if pushed but that feels unlikely too?)

(i also do tbis because i have seen towns lose their willpower against mafia who drop a healing claim for fear of screwing themselves over and in a rush to move wagons potentially later down the line with limited posts i’d rather talk about this now when we still have the luxury of time)

[Roadkill]

i’ll be around more after work — it’s excited to have the energy to post and think again! ^.^

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.09

Three

(5):

Umlaut

, joqiza,

mc esther

, Dwlee99, Andante

Dwlee99 (3):

Three

, Sleepless Assassin, Looker

Not Voting (1):

Roadkill

I colored myself green because I'm town, if you disagree then make your own post.

If someone was scum on Three's wagon then I think it's got to be Dwlee. I'm not totally ruling out that no one was scum on Three's wagon.

Agree with Roadkill's reasoning that there's probably no doctor. Although I think it might have been better not to say it, I think saying it anyway is somehow town-indicative? Like, scum wouldn't do it because of the optics.

[Sleepless Assassin]

See Sleepless never really did too much, other than just go "I'm here at eod to hammer whatever" tried to stay out of the spotlight

Does "tried to stay out of the spotlight" just mean "compromised" here? I wasn't gonna hard push Three when I preferred Dwelee.

[Andante]

See Sleepless never really did too much, other than just go "I'm here at eod to hammer whatever" tried to stay out of the spotlight

Does "tried to stay out of the spotlight" just mean "compromised" here? I wasn't gonna hard push Three when I preferred Dwelee.

Well you didn't hard push Dwlee I don't believe... you were just kinda there "I prefered this" umm when your last post for the day is "I'm here to hammer if needbe" it really doesn't sound like you have a strong preference tbh

[Sleepless Assassin]

I thought my whole ISO was "Dwelee is scum" but ok lol

By the time I made that last post it was obvious no one was following me.