Micro 39 - WUPBBYORGRMM!!! - D2

[drmyshotgun]

Uh. You have nothing better to do than to just check my partial claim out?
VOTE: Rubick

[Rubick]

Where do you think my vote would be better placed?

[Klick]

V/LA until Saturday.

[IceGuy]

Hm.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

I feel like he wouldn't lie, but might as well.

Is that a counterclaim?

[Rubick]

I am not hated, loved, or miller.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ah.

I only want to know a specific one, and it isn't Positive. Not going to say which right now.

Why do I have serious doubts that revealing the two players who picked from a column that is not Positive will help you find scum since picks were made BEFORE alignment was determined so there is no way that you could have information that is alignment relevant from the picking process?

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L-2 actually isn't a big deal.

Well actually it is given the potential combination of Hated with possible Vote Stealing powers. I see you are happy to not engage higher reasoning as usual but know that isn’t an alignment tell.

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Hm.

VOTE: drmyshotgun

I feel like he wouldn't lie, but might as well.

Look … pointless movement of votes is pointless. Reads as Faux-Town busywork posting to me.

Where do you think my vote would be better placed?

The question remains – why did you move your vote to Shotgun specifically to test his claim while explicitly saying you didn’t think he would like when you ostensibly have a scum suspect in Sala?

[Rubick]

Yes, to test his claim.

Why is Klick scum for stating that L-2 isn't a big deal, as opposed to the same statement coming from Iceguy being non-indicative of alignment? How do you feel about L-2 now that you know the Mod's VCs take loved/hated into account to determine L-#?

[IceGuy]

I am not hated, loved, or miller.

Why do you believe Gunny could be lying?

[Rubick]

Because I didn't receive his role PM.

Testing his claim is like getting $10 for..standing up. What's so hard about that? No thanks, you say. I'm so rich, I think I'll keep my seat.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yes, to test his claim.

And this is why it is Faux-Town busywork. There is zero point to testing his claim. If someone wants to counter-claim him today then there are discussions to be had. But otherwise it is a pointless action that I suspect you made to look like you were taking a Pro-Town action when in reality you were not.

Why is Klick scum for stating that L-2 isn't a big deal, as opposed to the same statement coming from Iceguy being non-indicative of alignment? How do you feel about L-2 now that you know the Mod's VCs take loved/hated into account to determine L-#?

That’s not the reason why Klick is scum. There is certainly more to that quote than just his "L-2 is not a big deal" . Why do you assume that is it?

Once we get through a whole day without evidence of a Vote Thief I will feel much better about trusting I know where people sit re:lynch.

Why do you think it wasn’t a warranted position to take before the Vote Count and Hated claim gave us some clarity on the situation?

Why was your Sala vote a ‘serious vote’?

[IceGuy]

Because I didn't receive his role PM.

Testing his claim is like getting $10 for..standing up. What's so hard about that? No thanks, you say. I'm so rich, I think I'll keep my seat.

Why would anybody fake that claim when they would be immediately counterclaimed?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Rubick

Holy fuck.

Kondi lynch tomorrow Plox.

GNR is town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yes, I can agree with a Rubick lynch ...

UNVOTE: Klick
VOTE: Rubick

[Rubick]

Why would anybody fake that claim when they would be immediately counterclaimed?

And this is why it is Faux-Town busywork. There is zero point to testing his claim. If someone wants to counter-claim him today then there are discussions to be had. But otherwise it is a pointless action that I suspect you made to look like you were taking a Pro-Town action when in reality you were not.

As far as I'm concerned, there is a non-zero possibility he is fake claiming until he's Mod-confirmed. Perhaps I have a little more reason to be skeptical about negative role claims than the rest of you. There's no harm in double-checking, I don't require my vote to ask questions so I feel my scumhunting ability is unimpeded.

That’s not the reason why Klick is scum. There is certainly more to that quote than just his "L-2 is not a big deal" . Why do you assume that is it?

Once we get through a whole day without evidence of a Vote Thief I will feel much better about trusting I know where people sit re:lynch.

Why do you think it wasn’t a warranted position to take before the Vote Count and Hated claim gave us some clarity on the situation?

Why was your Sala vote a ‘serious vote’?

I haven't read Think Twice, so if it's a reason from that game I'm unaware. I read the exchange as "Woah, L-2 already? That's a big deal, slow down bro" "No it isn't, man" "Yea it is, I'm voting you now" The only other part of the quote is saying that votes put pressure on players, and that pressure is good. Is that the part you don't agree with? Clarify why you were voting him.

It's fine to be worried about L-2 when you consider the hated player, but now we are aware that all L-#'s are genuine. So being worried about L-2 is an unwarranted position

after

the clarity.

The Sala vote was serious because of his contradiction.

[AurorusVox]

Day 1 | Vote Count 4

saulres

(0)

IceGuy

(0)

Guy_Named_Riggs

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(1) - IceGuy [L-4]

drmyshotgun

(1) - Rubick [L-3]

Salamence20

(2) - Guy_Named_Riggs, Klick [L-4]

Klick

(0)

Rubick

(3) - drmyshotgun, Salamence20, MagnaofIllusion [L-2]

Not Voting (1) - saulres

Activity

• Saulres is V/LA until Thursday
  
• Klick is V/LA until Saturday

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch

Deadline is

9:00pm GMT, 9th October 2012

. That's in (expired on 2012-10-09 20:00:00).

[IceGuy]

Pseudovote: Rubick

[MagnaofIllusion]

MagnaofIllusion (1) - IceGuy [L-5]

MOD - Please confirm this is correct ....

UNVOTE: Rubick

Mod error! Sorry!

[AurorusVox]

Edited VC to reflect above derpish mod error

[MagnaofIllusion]

It's fine to be worried about L-2 when you consider the hated player, but now we are aware that all L-#'s are genuine. So being worried about L-2 is an unwarranted position after the clarity.

This is a nice explanation except questioning Klick about his actions made BEFORE said clarity is perfectly valid. Clarity did not exist when Klick made his vote.

Any reason you are defending him so strongly?

VOTE: Rubick

I haven't read Think Twice, so if it's a reason from that game I'm unaware.

Well then here is a link for you.

Micro 32 Think Twice

Make yourself aware of the game circumstances. It should not take long as the whole game is less than 2 pages long ….

The Sala vote was serious because of his contradiction.

Elaborate on the contradiction then. I haven’t seen you do so to this point.

[Rubick]

I didn't have a problem with you voting Klick until after Iceguy made a similar statement about L-2, which you found to be non-indicative of alignment. This was after the clarity surrounding loved/hated. If I had a problem with it before Iceguy's post, I would have spoken up.

Klick's play is lulztastic in Think Twice. Bad hammer D1 (Klick's part) and bad LyLo form (town's part) on D2 made it an easy win for scum. I think I see the connection clearly now. He received heat in that game for a hammer before everyone checked in, while in this game it was just L-2? If this assessment is inaccurate, tell me why you voted him.

Salamence's contradiction occurs when he votes to NL, and later criticizes you for not voting anyone. I also feel like he's backtracking by claiming it was a gambit. He still hasn't even answered saulres, I doubt he's reading the thread.

VOTE: Salamence20

[Rubick]

Hah, I knew I remembered something important. Salamence has no idea what gambit actually means.

[Salamence20]

Believe me when I say I've learned from my past mistakes.

[Rubick]

Why are you ignoring saulres?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Okay, reads so far

Town

MoI
Ice Guy

Null

Salamence
Saulres
Klick
drmyshotgun

Scum

Rubick

MoI and Ice Guy and Rubick are mainly gut because I don't see a whole to go off of. The difference is MoI and Ice Guy's post seem way more townie than Rubicks.

drmy and Saul there isn't a whole lot to go on

Klick, I'm just not sure

Sal... who knows. I need more time to figure him out

My biggest issue with Rubick is his vote on drmy just to test it, when earlier he was voting Sal as a serious vote (and then goes back to it). Why would anyone leave a serious vote, just to test a claim? I don't like it.

This is an intent to hammer. Would you like to claim now or post game?

[Rubick]

...

Trolled Ascetic Psychic Redirector

I chose no action N0. I was so concerned with confirming Hated status I am "trolled" by any player I target and acquire their negative component.

Being a Redirector also means there is no Vote Thief in the game.