Micro 438: Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

guille2015 · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:55 am

In post 70, Espeonage wrote:Not to mention that Alch is 98% completely totally town.

I'd say about 78% but 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Espeonage · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:56 am

In post 71, eyestott wrote:Actually, that's a good question for everyone.
Eh. Claim?

Nah. It's been proven that Vsnilla cop is stupid to take here.

Diego1487 · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:56 am

Ok, I'll be honest. I don't know what the difference is.

eyestott · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:56 am

I took alignment from retired werewolf hunter.

Espeonage · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:56 am

In post 75, guille2015 wrote:
In post 70, Espeonage wrote:Not to mention that Alch is 98% completely totally town.

I'd say about 78% but 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Nah. Only 2% of roles are better for scum than vanillaiser. So it's correct.

Espeonage · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:57 am

In post 77, Diego1487 wrote:Ok, I'll be honest. I don't know what the difference is.

Which is why it is bad.

eyestott · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:57 am

In post 77, Diego1487 wrote:Ok, I'll be honest. I don't know what the difference is.

You don't know the difference?
Intent to hammer, ok?

Diego1487 · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:58 am

Ok, claiming before hammered. I'm town cop. My other two cards were Cop and Mason.

Espeonage · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:01 am

Mhm, the two strongest town cards and you had them both when you are in dire need of a perfect claim.

Why would you not take the Mason and turn in to IC?

These games are short. Mason is equatable to Cop in a normal game but this setup is shorter than a normal game.

Espeonage · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:03 am

This also doesn't compute with you saying Cop was meh.

eyestott · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:03 am

Bull, I'm a cop. The chance of you also being a cop is slim.
I want to hammer.

Espeonage · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:03 am

Do it. Alch needs protecting though if we have anything.

Diego1487 · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:05 am

In post 83, Espeonage wrote:Why would you not take the Mason and turn in to IC?

Because I wanted to be a Town Cop. I'm assuming based off of reactions a Vanilla Cop is not town aligned?? I thought all cops would be town aligned which explains my confusion.

guille2015 · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:05 am

In post 82, Diego1487 wrote:Ok, claiming before hammered. I'm town cop. My other two cards were Cop and Mason.

I totally had those cards on my first roll. Mason and Cop.

Espeonage · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:05 am

Vanilla Cop is town aligned but useless. It sees if someone has no PR.

Diego1487 · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 am

In post 89, Espeonage wrote:Vanilla Cop is town aligned but useless. It sees if someone has no PR.

Thanks for explaining. I see the difference now.

Espeonage · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 am

In post 88, guille2015 wrote:
In post 82, Diego1487 wrote:Ok, claiming before hammered. I'm town cop. My other two cards were Cop and Mason.

I totally had those cards on my first roll. Mason and Cop.

Still unlikely.

Also doesn't resolve the other two inconsistencies.

eyestott · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 am

should I really?

guille2015 · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 am

There was a lover behind them though.

eyestott · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:07 am

I will hammer when I get out of the shower, unless he becomes obvtown.

Diego1487 · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:07 am

In post 85, eyestott wrote:Bull, I'm a cop. The chance of you also being a cop is slim.
I want to hammer.

Why would I claim the one role that got me in trouble? Look if you are a cop, we can decimate scum with investigation. Also, you can investigate me tonight, and it'll show I'm at town. Lynch me tomorrow if I lied.

Espeonage · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:08 am

In post 92, eyestott wrote:should I really?

Yeah, looking from it, he's not receiving help and town players are likely to be loaded with useful actions.

Just from a theory perspective, this exists in the night is important part of Nati's spectrum.

Which is why I don't mind a stupidly short day phase.

Diego1487 · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:09 am

I crumbed my first four posts. Look at the first letter of each post. I C O P.

guille2015 · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:11 am

So, What are the likelyhoods of that being a good strategy?

Espeonage · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:11 am

In post 95, Diego1487 wrote:
In post 85, eyestott wrote:Bull, I'm a cop. The chance of you also being a cop is slim.
I want to hammer.

Why would I claim the one role that got me in trouble? Look if you are a cop, we can decimate scum with investigation. Also, you can investigate me tonight, and it'll show I'm at town. Lynch me tomorrow if I lied.

Because we've gone on about how good it is and you needed to find a good claim and fast. It just doesn't compute.

And that would be a waste of an investigate.

(Out of game: There are some great articles on the wiki about power role theory that you should read. Cop should always try and investigate someone that is hard to read but a good town leader as more often than not statistically a cop with hit town and it is the best way to maximise the positive effects of the innocent result.)

Ont hat note. istott, don't investigate me until tomorrow. Also if there is a protection. Pick either istott or Alch. It was a shame he claimed.