Micro 629 - The Arena - Game Over

[BNL]

Hopkirk has been lynched. He was

town.

[BNL]

Accountant

has been endgamed.

MagnaofIllusion

survives and wins! frog wins posthumously!

[BNL]

Mod PT

Dead PT

Scum must provide consent before Mafia PT is released, but it will be released in 48 hours by default.

[Frozen Angel]

Good game everyone.

sorry BNL that I wasnt that useful when you needed me

[MagnaofIllusion]

Of course I have no objections to the scum PT being released.

Will read the Dead PT after I get some other things accomplished and provide my thoughts afterwards.

[karnos]

Blah I called it in the dead chat. You and Leon were my picks for scum. Never would have suspected frog though.

[karnos]

It's a very unique setup, I'd play it a bit differently knowing what I know now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Accountant

- had I chosen you for the Gladiator the last day what would you have done?

[Hopkirk]

At the start this looked scum sided, but playing it it feels more weighed towards town. Is there anything (theorywise) on this?

[karnos]

I think conceptually the arena mechanic is VERY scum-sided, but it's balanced out by the lack of normal night kills.

[Frozen Angel]

I think conceptually the arena mechanic is VERY scum-sided, but it's balanced out by the lack of normal night kills.

Its currently townsided in my pov. scums need 5 misslynch to win as 2 and 6 mislynch to win as 1 (the game gets harder for scum if they loose members which is not the same in the normal games)

and thats hard even if town can't lynch in all the player list

[Map Wolf]

I think conceptually the arena mechanic is VERY scum-sided, but it's balanced out by the lack of normal night kills.

To be honest i think the setup could use 1 pr. Although you could argue that would ruin its simplicity.

[MagnaofIllusion]

To be honest i think the setup could use 1 pr. Although you could argue that would ruin its simplicity.

I'd disagree. I think the advantages scum get in controlling half the players able to be voted per day is more than offset but the additional number of mislynches scum needs to achieve to win the game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

a.) Accountant is scum who waited a while to hammer (i don't think this is possible due to win con though).

Mod can probably confirm this but if Accountant was the last Mafia I expect in the situation BPL would have just called the game when Accountant was not able to be voted.

[karnos]

I think conceptually the arena mechanic is VERY scum-sided, but it's balanced out by the lack of normal night kills.

Its currently townsided in my pov. scums need 5 misslynch to win as 2 and 6 mislynch to win as 1 (the game gets harder for scum if they loose members which is not the same in the normal games)

and thats hard even if town can't lynch in all the player list

Yeah, that is kinda what I was saying. A normal 9 player 2 scum game, scum needs 3 misslynch days, thanks to nightkills. By removing the nightkill ability, scum need 5/6 misslynch days. So at first glance, it looks very scum sided because you don't realize how lack of nightkill effects the game.

I think it's pretty well balanced.

[frog]

Magna, you twilight troller, you well played, I thought you could clutch it out!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Lol. Twilight trolling is a necessity I have found.

No need to repeat the Thor Debacle ...

[frog]

I'd disagree. I think the advantages scum get in controlling half the players able to be voted per day is more than offset but the additional number of mislynches scum needs to achieve to win the game.

Seconded, and also consider that a power role in a game like this would never be lynched, meaning that scum could potentially have to get all the VTs lynched in order to win

This setup was very interesting, and I think a lot more thought was put into our selections than would be the case for the regular night kill. Because of the limited lynch pool, it also meant that scum could afford to bus quite hard without jeopardising their chances of winning. I hope this ends up being run again sometime, as I think there are some strategies that did not come to light that could be quite effective, for both town and scum.

[frog]

By the way, Magna, I did follow the game to its conclusion after I was lynched, so thank you for your exposition of your choices in the scum thread! Similarly, I have no problem with it being released.

[Leonshade]

After this game, I'll never stop being paranoid of Magna! Well played, especially the frog bus was well executed.

[Accountant]

Bah. Magna is good scum. Town just got outplayed here.

[Hopkirk]

I have no idea how two town fell for it at the end.

[Accountant]

You seemed pretty scum to me.

[Hopkirk]

Shame you didn't feel like saying why isn't it.

[Accountant]

Wouldn't have changed anything? I was the solo decision maker in LyLo and made the wrong decision. I have responsibility for that.