Micro 662: ArcAngel's Twin Trap Mafia (Ended)

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Can we lynch Pine yet?

[Pine]

Nah.

SA or Misa.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not feeling either to be honest.

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 1.1

milkshake -

Tyler the Creator -

Lil Uzi Vert,

MisaTange -

Sleepless Assassin,

Lil Uzi Vert -

ThinkBig -

Arnold Schwarzenegger -

Sleepless Assassin -

Pine, MisaTange, milkshake

Pine -

Arnold Schwarzenegger

Kop -

Not Voting

Tyler the Creator, ThinkBig ,Kop

With 9 alive it takes 5 for a lynch and 4 for no lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-12-08 06:46:00)

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[Kop]

Shrug. I'm just saying it looks fishy. Until evidence suggests otherwise, they're both my suspects.

It definitely doesn't look Town vs Town, so they both need rope.

So are you saying it's Scum vs Town, or are you implying it could be scum theatre and it's scum vs scum?

Judging this post, your implying it's the latter, if both need rope.

It could conceivably be TvS, but the whole argument feels contrived and forced. This implies that one or both are scum. I've been saying this right along, are you not reading?

Yes I am reading, and I have read what you have been saying. I just want to know if it was really what you felt.

Because what your saying is, it doesn't look Town vs Town, and both need rope. Your taking a stance that it's Scum vs Scum.

[ArcAngel9]

Tyler the Creator has been force replaced due to failing to confirm. I am looking for his replacement

[Sleepless Assassin]

Kop:

Hey Kop, got any reads yet?

I don't like being ignored

[ThinkBig]

Catching up now. Will provide my analysis after work.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

[Kop]

Kop:

Hey Kop, got any reads yet?

I don't like being ignored

Right now, I haven't got any solid reads in my mind to put forward.

Gut feelings is that Milkshake, Lil Uzi Vert, are town. But that's just gut.

[MisaTange]

Can we lynch Pine yet?

Not feeling either to be honest.

Who are you feeling, if not me/SA/Pine?

[MisaTange]

That was to LUV, btw. I hate phoneposting.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nobody honestly, there is just not enough content right now to get anything substantial.

[ArcAngel9]

Spade_Ace replaces Tyler the Creator. Please welcome him.

[MisaTange]

Nobody honestly, there is just not enough content right now to get anything substantial.

Hmm

What do you think of SA and I's exchange? Additionally, what do you think of Pine's "this may be tactical bussing" comment in 60?

Also, welcome Spade! Any current opinions?

[ThinkBig]

Welcome space!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Misa:

I don't TR or SR either you or SA yet so I'm not going to call the argument TvT, TvS, SvS. I think it's fairly reasonable why SA jumped on you due to his beliefs and views on mafia.

I'm not sure how Pine feels there is bussing going on here. Doesn't really make sense to in a setup like this, it's much easier to just let town dog it out then break ones back for town cred at this point in the game.

Spade:

Welcome!

[milkshake]

Lil Uzi Vert, I agree with your assessment that there is not enough content right now to deduce anything substantial. BUT, the stance you have taken because of the lack of information is exactly what I advise against. You say you don't feel like voting anybody. Specifically you don't want to vote Sleepless Assassin, MisaTange, and Pine. Sleepless Assassin is the most relevant of these three because he has the most votes right now.

There is not enough content, yes. So, anyone has a 2 out of 9 chance to be scum. If you run the numbers, you will find a 2 out of 9 chance is good enough for the town at this point. If you feel apathetic, just join the bandwagon. Then the content will come.

[Pine]

Lil Uzi Vert, I agree with your assessment that there is not enough content right now to deduce anything substantial. BUT, the stance you have taken because of the lack of information is exactly what I advise against. You say you don't feel like voting anybody. Specifically you don't want to vote Sleepless Assassin, MisaTange, and Pine. Sleepless Assassin is the most relevant of these three because he has the most votes right now.

There is not enough content, yes. So, anyone has a 2 out of 9 chance to be scum. If you run the numbers, you will find a 2 out of 9 chance is good enough for the town at this point. If you feel apathetic, just join the bandwagon. Then the content will come.

What the fuck is this scumfuckery

Unvote

This looks a LOT like a scumbuddy trying to push a rudderless player onto the less damaging of two options.

I am still of the opinion that SA/MT is not Town vs Town, so that suggests a MT/Milkshake scumteam.

Game solved. You're welcome.

Vote MisaTange

[Pine]

Sleepless Assassin should agree with this vote. Bandwagons are good for making games come to life!

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

Yeah, this supports it. Blatantly doesn't care about scumhunting, just wants to lynch someone.

In fact,

Unvote
Vote milkshake

I can come back to SA/MT, this is shiny and obvious.

[Pine]

Arnold mentioned Pine's comment that the exchange between MisaTange and Sleepless Assassin was "not town vs. town." I might as well note that I also didn't like Pine's comment. But I don't have any solid reads at this point.

I think the best stance at this point in the game is pro-lynching-anyone. The numbers back this up too. I think this strategy will serve the town well:

1. Bring someone to L-1
2. Listen to what they have to say
3. Someone hammers or someone doesn't. If the latter, repeat these steps.

This is also not a Town strategy.

[milkshake]

Pine, let me offer some evidence to refute your claim that random bandwagons during the beginning of the game are not a town strategy. We currently have 7 town players and 2 scum. A random choice of a player will of course have a 2/9 chance of being scum. As previously stated, a lynch with a 2/9 chance of success is good enough for the town. A town player has no reason to reject a random bandwagon.

A scum player, however, should reject a random bandwagon on his scum partner IF the town allows players the option of abstaining from any bandwagon for whatever reason- most commonly "reads." Even better, if he can, a scum player should start his own bandwagon on a player he or she knows to be town. For this reason, town players should reject bandwagons dictated by other players and hop on the most random bandwagon possible. A bandwagon target dictated by a player has a 2/9 chance of being dictated by scum.

MisaTange's vote on Sleepless Assassin was retaliatory. A scum player being accused by town might respond in that way. A town player being accused by a player of unknown alignment might respond in that way. Finally, a scum player involved in bussing might (as you have suggested) also respond in that way. Therefore, I propose that the bandwagon on Sleepless Assassin was decided by random enough impetus to serve as the town's bandwagon.

[Pine]

You use the word 'random' a lot in that 'analysis'. Your entire premise regarding random wagons is predicated on the notion that they are random. When scum fabricates a reason to push a 'random' wagon, it ISN'T random. There's a reason that using provably random votes it banned.

Bullshit analysis is bullshit.

[Spade_Ace]

/Confirm

Hi all. Am the replacement for Tyler and thanks for the welcome. Will post my thoughts as soon as I have read the content so far. Lets have a good game.

[milkshake]

Pine, I think I almost have successfully communicated my analysis to you. Just one detail is missing, and you have basically provided it yourself in your post. You said that when scum is the driving force for a wagon, it isn't random. This is correct, and this is why the town needs a random source for the wagon. It is also why I chose the Sleepless Assassin wagon which MisaTange started. It was the only wagon to have accumulated more than one vote at the time (it still is), and it was started for a sufficiently random reason.