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I'm not lynching Dave this game. His thought progression is pretty good.

The Human vs Dave fight basically went down like this:
1. Human starts a wagon and votes Dave for policy.
2. Dave OMGUS's and questions the scumread.
3. Human dodges the question and essentially turns Dave's NAI questioning into a scum post
4. Dave arrives at the logic of being Chosen Townie due to Human's hard arbitrary push
5. Human turns this to a claim and pushes it to oblivion.

I like my wagon logic on nn30. My top townreads are Dave/TTTT. Then Creature.

All aboard the Hiraki train.

The Human vs Dave fight basically went down like this:
1. Human starts a wagon and votes Dave for policy.
2. Dave OMGUS's and questions the scumread.
3. Human dodges the question and essentially turns Dave's NAI questioning into a scum post
4. Dave arrives at the logic of being Chosen Townie due to Human's hard arbitrary push
5. Human turns this to a claim and pushes it to oblivion.

No, this is not what happened, please read.

That is what happened.

1. I did not vote Dave for policy. I did not vote Dave because I believe he is anti-town. I voted Dave because I believe his actions were more consistent with 'Bad Scum' rather than 'Bad Town'.
2. ok
3. I did not dodge the question. Dave asked me why I scumread him, considering there was literally fucking nothing in his ISO I decided to use the best evidence I had on hand, the post he literally just made, which bled scum all through the thread. I was also interested to see how Dave interacted with pressure, considering that he had only been voted by A) Shaddowez for the weakest of reasons and left unpressured; B)nn who was a likely lynch at the time and C)Grendel who scumDave could easily nightkill, therefore he didn't have to properly respond to the pressure.
4. Dave did not arrive at that logic. There is two possibilities here. A) Dave as scum misunderstood the setup and claimed scum, later backpedaling. B) Dave as town tried out a gambit to get me flashlynched, later backpedaling. There is no fucking way 682, 687 and 689 come from a Dave who simply believed he was chosen.
5. It was a claim. Please read.

Apart from that, there is no fucking way Dave is chosen, considering how blatantly anti-town he has been and considering how few players have picked up on him for that. He is an incredibly easy mislynch.

A list of players who have made a serious push on Dave:
Human Sequencer (town[trust me])
NN(town)
Grendel(town)

In post 754, Human Sequencer wrote:1. I did not vote Dave for policy. I did not vote Dave because I believe he is anti-town. I voted Dave because I believe his actions were more consistent with 'Bad Scum' rather than 'Bad Town'.

Quote.

In post 754, Human Sequencer wrote:3. I did not dodge the question. Dave asked me why I scumread him, considering there was literally fucking nothing in his ISO I decided to use the best evidence I had on hand, the post he literally just made, which bled scum all through the thread.

Quote.

You already quoted them yourself.

1. 624 and also 518
3. 681

Dave is not a good player. Dave is being transparently bad at the game. Instead of being derp lynchbaity town (hurr durr i'm gonna tunnel random people because lol thats my reads) he's been derp lynchbaity scum (lol i'm gonna post fuck all this game, LITERALLY NAKED VOTE A TOWN WAGON ON A SLOT HE HAS NEVER POSTED A READ ON (479) and take no stances on and of the players in the game).

His actions are more consistent with bad scum rather than bad town.

4. Dave did not arrive at that logic. There is two possibilities here. A) Dave as scum misunderstood the setup and claimed scum, later backpedaling. B) Dave as town tried out a gambit to get me flashlynched, later backpedaling. There is no fucking way 682, 687 and 689 come from a Dave who simply believed he was chosen.
Nothing to say about this?

Then who's partner? Hiraki? I actually kinda liked Mewtaph's ISO on a reread. He hard townread nn30/Vedith. Thoughts? Maybe shaddowez is partner?

That's a question for tomorrow. I've already posted my thoughts on Hiraki earlier, considering that I might be killed at night, but the more he posts the more pause I get. I'm not so sure Hiraki is a slam-dunk lynch tomorrow, but definitely the best spot to start looking.

In post 760, Human Sequencer wrote:That's a question for tomorrow.

I disagree. The game state isn't going to change tomorrow. Best case scenario, your top townread will get killed. It'll be the same tomorrow as it is today.

How people interact with the Dave wagon can change the gamestate. Any other slots people may choose to wagon flip onto can change the gamestate. Interactions between other players can change the gamestate.
Of course, now that you've weaseled this out of me, it makes it a little less helpful to analyze tomorrow because everybody's being a little more self-concious.
There's a lot that can happen overnight. Who is killed changes who my targets are. I'd rather give the game a 100% fresh look tomorrow, as opposed to half-guess with half of the information now. I've already said Hiraki is a good place to start looking, but there's still the fringe case that Dave flips town too.

If that's the case, Tenshii gets massive scumpoints, but I really highly doubt that.

Wtf? How does Dave flipping town give me scumpoints? If anything, I should be top town.

Leading town down a speculation path to bamboozle them on a town flip.
Pretty strong scum motivation, town motivation exists though.

I'd have to do a proper iso read, but it'd be a good place to start looking.

LOL WHAT????? You're the one advocating the scumread in the first place. And now you have the audacity to say I would be scum if he flips town.

Also offering a speculation path AT WORST is just time wasted. Scum wouldn't be able to achieve anything from it because the whole thing would stop as soon Dave flips town.

So I should scumread myself? Lmao.

It's time wasted, it's a clogged thread and demotivated townies who thought they had the game solved only to have it snatched away are a weakness to town, not an asset to town.

Yes you should scumread yourself.

If you wanna paint it like that, not considering partners is scummy because it's easier to paint a single person as scum and mislynch day by day than painting a whole scumteam.

At this rate, we could totally fill up this page with just posts from you and me.

@Dave
what are your thoughts on the recent Creature v. Tenshii posts?



also it's been almost 7 days since shaddowez posted...

In post 505, shaddowez wrote:Christmas weekend V/LA, but will attempt to get back tonight because of deadline

Oh right, hi Loopdan.

I think that must be town!Loopdan.

In post 770, TTTT wrote:@Dave
what are your thoughts on the recent Creature v. Tenshii posts?

What Creature v Tenshii posts?

sorry
Human v. Tenshii posts.