My belief is firmly that he is a either mafia, or not a chosen townie. This is stemmed from his poor iso, he can’t be a chosen one if he were making bad posts such as:
Alternatively, I don't understand any townreads on Dave.
Nope.
In post 326, PsychoticDave wrote:I've still said all I have to say.
I'm just waiting for the day to end.
He uses the god awful, "Well their either scum or bad town" argument. Voting people just because he doesn't like them. Cutting of discussion -multiple times-.Then he just throws in the towel. The rest of his posts are him repeating how he wants the day to end plus necked votes to show just how "done" he is with this day. Scum would rip him apart for dinner in he were one of the chosen ones. This suggests to me that he is either mafia, or not chosen town since scum are ignoring lynch bait for their preferred, "chosen", targets. Which frankly, is why I think he is the ideal lynch for today.
His behavior also reminds me a lot of a newbie game I was in were my scum buddy acted overtly antitown on D1 in the most ham-fisted way he could muster. He outright refuse to scum hunt, preached about the statistical unlikeness that town lynches scum D1, and the all D1 lynches are basically random. He cruised into lylo by being so vocally unhelpful, and I’m seeing a parallel here with Dave. Dave complains how there is nothing going on, then ironically refuses to add new content to the table, then talks about wanting to end the day.
These things are so unhelpful that town is all writing it off as too brazen to come from scum. When it Is all so over the top that it feels, and looks completely intentional to me!
COME ON GUYS
4 PEOPLE
ONE CONFIRMED TOWN
WE CAN'T ALL BE SCUM
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:31 am
by Human Sequencer
In post 484, nn30 wrote:@Grendel - I mean, I'm okay with a Dave lynch.
Thing is people are going to read my complying to you as scummy (opportunism! look at that desire to stay alive! must be scum!)
Dunno what to do about it, but here we are. Hopefully my dislike of Dave's posts prior to this speak for themselves.
VOTE: Dave
Why, if I'm your top scum read, are you advocating for me to vote Dave instead? Wouldn't you just want to off me and get it over with?
JUST PUTTIN' THIS HERE
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:34 am
by Human Sequencer
creature and tenshii, i'm having massive wave flashbacks atm tbh
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:35 am
by Creature
Okay, what's the VC?
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:36 am
by Creature
Note that we don't need to hammer, we can lynch PsychoticDave leaving him as the top wagon until deadline passes.
Tenshii (2) - Hiraki, Ümläüt
Human Sequencer (1) - PsychoticDave
PsychoticDave (1) - Human Sequencer
Hiraki (1) - Tenshii
Not Voting (2) - Creature, TTTT
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2017-01-12 11:27:46)
+Umlaut makes Dave on 2/4 atm
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:37 am
by Creature
I'd leave PsychoticDave at L-1 so he can't switch his vote to someone else to save himself.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:37 am
by Creature
Okay
VOTE: Dave
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:37 am
by Human Sequencer
Deadline shouldn't even be in the equation tbh
Games reaching deadline are egh
Games reaching deadline twice are double egh
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:42 am
by Ümläüt
Tenshii looks worse once Dave flips red than he does now, so I'd rather save the case for then since people get all uppity about pre-flip associational reasoning.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:47 am
by TTTT
I'd rather lynch hiraki
if dave is town he's more likey chosen than hiraki is chosen if he is town
and I think dave is a scum-planned day2or3 mis-lynch since he first opened his mouth back in day1
and if he's town once he has three votes scum will do nothing until deadline
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:48 am
by Ümläüt
In post 849, TTTT wrote:@Umlaut
badtown!Dave makes more sense than badscum!Dave
I just don't see it. But granting this point
arguendo,
it's still true that Dave is not the sort of player we want hanging around for lylo, or the sort of player the Mafia is going to kill for us.
Anyway, explain again why bad town makes an impossible fakeclaim, then retracts it, then tries to find some sort of middle ground between retracting it and not.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:49 am
by Ümläüt
TTTT, what is your read on Human Sequencer? I will explain the relevance of this question after you answer.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:49 am
by Ümläüt
Creature too, while you're at it.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:51 am
by TTTT
@Umlaut
Creature-Human-Tenshii are my TRs
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:51 am
by Human Sequencer
TTTT, there is no fucking way Dave is chosen unless you buy into scumHuman.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:53 am
by TTTT
In post 864, Ümläüt wrote:I just don't see it. But granting this point arguendo, it's still true that Dave is not the sort of player we want hanging around for lylo, or the sort of player the Mafia is going to kill for us.
Anyway, explain again why bad town makes an impossible fakeclaim, then retracts it, then tries to find some sort of middle ground between retracting it and not.
scum would be more aware of the mechanics in this set-up than town...
town not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role is more likely than scum not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:54 am
by Ümläüt
So, let's talk about the Mafia's win condition. They absolutely
must
get a chosen townie lynched, or else they lose, period. Thus if there is a wagon on a chosen townie, they ought to be doing whatever it takes to push it short of totally outing themselves.
If Dave is chosen, why are town!Human and town!Creature having such a hard time pushing his wagon?
Pedit: Ninja'd by Human.
Pedit again: TTTT, that's not an answer to a "why" question.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:00 am
by TTTT
In post 868, Human Sequencer wrote:TTTT, there is no fucking way Dave is chosen unless you buy into scumHuman.
why does everyone think scum would hard-push chosen town?
if I'm scum this game I'm trying to stay off any chosen wagons
or at least not try and push too much
if Dave flips Chosen I'm TRing Human so hardd
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:01 am
by Ümläüt
In post 871, TTTT wrote:if I'm scum this game I'm trying to stay off any chosen wagons
or at least not try and push too much
Then if you're scum this game you'll lose, because you can't win without getting a CT lynched.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:11 am
by Creature
Scum just have to feed town to lynch the Chosen.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:17 am
by Ümläüt
I just remembered the game is plurality lynch, so it might make more sense for scum to stay off a chosen wagon than it would otherwise. I still think, particularly halfway through the day when anything could still happen, they'd rather jump on it, but I'll concede it's not necessary.