Micro 670: Death Miller Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[mykonian]

votecount

Darkshadow64540 (1): culted

not voting (4): rb, Charloux, Lemons, Darkshadow64540

[culted]

There's no way Dark's play today is scum. He's completely accepted his lynch and is actively trying to help us find the last scum. Even when I gave him an out by supporting another lynch, he dropped the idea instantly when rb told him to, and he's gone back to accepting his lynch.
If this were an act, he'd have to be relying completely on us changing our minds on a sure lynch without any pushing on his part. That's suicide, especially with how rb is leading things. If he were scum he'd be trying to defend himself at least somewhat.

I dunno man. You didn't get scumvibes off of his karnos hammer at all? You don't think Dark's smart enough to know that flailing and trying to lynch elsewhere when there's a guilty on him would be just as likely to end in his lynch?

Charloux is hard to read right now. He's been a bit quiet and he's changing his reads a lot. His play in general this game has been mostly town from what I can see. Still, he's less town then Dark is so he'd be my second pick.

You've been pushing Charloux as scum the majority of the game, though, if I recall.
What does "quiet" mean in this context? Not very loud or just not posting frequently?

Are you saying that him changing his reads a lot is making him harder to read, or that it's scummy?
In either case which read changes are you referring to and why do/don't they make sense to you?

[Lemons]

The karnos hammer could have been scum, but it would have been a pretty bad idea if it were. How does it benefit him? Also he's just coming off a game where someone accidentally quickhammered scum, and that did not end well for that person.
I think he is, but I also think that scum would be making some effort to draw people to their side or change minds.

I have, that's true, but my read changed later in day 2 if you recall. Looking back, most of my reasons for scumreading him aren't overly convincing to me.
"Quiet" means infrequent posting.

Harder to read.
Mostly his waffling with myself and Dark. Could be town legitimately trying to work out who is scum, could be scum just trying to throw shade at both of us to ensure an easy lylo. Hard to tell since he hasn't interacted a lot today.

[rb]

you know the worst thing, if charloux flips town along with arcangel it means town was literally playing with 2 people not even trying.

why the fuck even sign up for a game

[Charloux]

The karnos hammer could have been scum, but it would have been a pretty bad idea if it were. How does it benefit him?

Btd never got to share his results because Karnos was lynched. It's a big difference if we have 1 confirmed town or 2.

[Lemons]

He's the one who asked about the results in 550 though. Why even bring it up if you plan on hammering?

[Charloux]

Why didn't he wait for BTD before even voting then? ~1hour passed after 550 and he did a hammer. I'd say he wanted to act normally knowing Karnos will get lynched regardless, but when he saw him getting to L-1 he took a big gamble and decided to rid the town of results.

[Lemons]

Looks to me like he forgot to refresh the page before posting and didn't see rb's vote.
Acting normally is one thing, but encouraging a PR to give their results when everyone else had forgotten about it is another thing entirely. There's no reason for scum to be the first to point that out. If he hadn't, it's likely we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.

[Darkshadow64540]

Looks to me like he forgot to refresh the page before posting and didn't see rb's vote.
Acting normally is one thing, but encouraging a PR to give their results when everyone else had forgotten about it is another thing entirely. There's no reason for scum to be the first to point that out. If he hadn't, it's likely we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.

Exactly this

[Darkshadow64540]

I honestly thought he was at L-2

[Darkshadow64540]

Mod, can we get a time remaining or at least an end date in the next vote count?

[Darkshadow64540]

you know the worst thing, if charloux flips town along with arcangel it means town was literally playing with 2 people not even trying.

why the fuck even sign up for a game

Everything in this post needs repeating.

[Lemons]

Day ends on the 27th. That's 9 days.

[Darkshadow64540]

Everybody, please declare your votes for tomorrow assuming I'm lynched and RB is scum's target (aka common sense)

[culted]

Game's stalled.

I know I should be the lynch to day but just in case you decide otherwise.
VOTE: Culted

VOTE: Culted
Don't want Culted to hammer ds, and this honestly seems like the better lynch.

Scum is one of these guys ^

But just to be sure: Charloux why am I obvtown?

[culted]

Looks to me like he forgot to refresh the page before posting and didn't see rb's vote.
Acting normally is one thing, but encouraging a PR to give their results when everyone else had forgotten about it is another thing entirely. There's no reason for scum to be the first to point that out. If he hadn't, it's likely we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.

Or he's scum and quick-hammered and pretended not to see rb's vote?

Why was he in a rush to vote karnos when he says himself that btd didn't give a result yet?

Even giving the benefit of the doubt that he didn't see rb's vote; he said "whoops thought he was L-2". Why's he putting scum at L-1 when we're still trying to figure shit out?

[Darkshadow64540]

Plain and simple, I fucked up and I fully expect to die for it.

[culted]

Yes dark, I understand that's your story.

But.

There's being forgiving.

And then there's absolving someone.

[Darkshadow64540]

Is it safe to assume you vote tomorrow is on Lemons?

[Darkshadow64540]

My issue is you keep needing to rub my nose in the mess I made. We all know that I fucked up and am going to be lynched for it, what BEYOND that do you have to say

[Darkshadow64540]

I am not asking for forgiveness or absolution, I am accepting my fate and STILL trying to help town.

[Darkshadow64540]

Now here's a question, when I turn out to have been the miller does that make Lemons defense of me still scummy?

[culted]

I am not asking for forgiveness or absolution, I am accepting my fate and STILL trying to help town.

Not my point.

I'm saying that it's within the realm of possibility that he just -knows- you're town.

Both you and your predecessor were scumfucks by play. You less so but still mostly meh or scum.
He's tring you for not trying to change anyone's minds when he sheeped your vote on me earlier.
Somehow knows that you... didn't refresh the page? I mean that's throwing you a pretty large bone considering there's preview-edits.

There's also a fucking cop guilty on you.

So yea while it may seem like I'm ramming you into the ground it's also me attempting to understand if Lemons is coming at this from an informed perspective.

[rb]

Whew, too much wifom.

imo it's best to reread like pages 5-10 before the game gets really thick and juicy because people's personalities are more raw and not polished. lategame scum are just wifom machines. The last 5 pages aren't giving me anything meaningful on lemons/culted/charloux.

DS should die today, anything less is just ridiculous. But in the event he isn't scum, we have to decide which of culted/lemons/charloux is scum.

[rb]

Lemons - top SR out of charloux/culted
Culted - top SR out of charloux/lemons
Charloux - top SR
DS - top SR

I prefer if you all answer this in a separate post separate to any others, as just a one word answer.

If DS is town, two of you are in Lylo. But we should figure out lylo today with 5 players alive, not 3. We have a better chance of winning the game if we're pre-prepared for Lylo, as opposed to waiting for Lylo