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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

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In post 647, RadiantCowbells wrote:But anyway this is called Frozen Angel mafia for a reason! It's the story of Frozen Angel's life as either alignment. She thinks that she's going to win but then I screw up her faction, whether I'm on it or not :P
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

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In post 643, RadiantCowbells wrote:Even if you say that vig kills are average chance to hit scum: which they're not. by that token lynches are less likely to hit scum as well.

there's a 58.33% chance that 1 scum is dead on day 2.

even if 41.66% was near scum autowin, which I think it wasn't necessarily without some organization behind the wheel, the setup's still not going to wind up being that scumsided.

FMPOV there is a very high % chance in most lobbies that scum will do something scummy while pushing the day 1 wagon and get vigged for it.
if we assume autowin 40% of the time

scum dead in first day is probably still 40-60% of that 60% of a win on either side - because the surprise factor still exists, and if the jan hits the kill scum are a lot stronger as well, and also scum dead day 1 balances out a bit

so assuming half of that 60% town win.... 30% sounds good to me, maybe slightly higher (and to what I estimated earlier, maybe I'm confbiased but it sounds good)
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

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I liked the dead thread flavor...
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:47 pm

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Half of that 60% town win is a joke.

call it something like 25%.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:48 pm

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In post 642, Frozen Angel wrote:you can't calculate math like that - its wrong

the only way for truly testing it is to somehow run it repeatedly and see the statistics

or trusting FA's percentages!
But I did do that - I was showing realistic scenarios and things that can't be accounted for in % - mainly the surprise factor
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:48 pm

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In post 653, RadiantCowbells wrote:Half of that 60% town win is a joke.

call it something like 25%.
25% what
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:49 pm

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In post 649, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think you're horribly underestimating the probability that the N1 vig hits town if town is lynched day 1. Vig shots are pretty fucking likely to hit scum overall.
Their good enough to get lynched D1 - no hard feeling titus just talking in general - so their good enough to shoot town
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:49 pm

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this game was to short.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:49 pm

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Please keep in mind that scumteam didn't know what was going on. I made a bunch of arbitrary assumptions in terms of what Myko would do as a mod and nearly 100% cracked how the game worked.

It feels like we played as an informed minority because of it but we were actually pretty fucking uninformed.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:51 pm

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you knew you would win d2

what was unclear about it?
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:52 pm

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siriously not buying this shit

The game will end in 97 - nearlly 98% scum victory

lets test it somewhere else
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:53 pm

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Fite me IRL FA.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:53 pm

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sadly its closed so we have to that on other places/not MS
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:53 pm

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In post 661, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fite me IRL FA.
why should I do that!
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:54 pm

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BECAUSE I WANNA GO GRR FITE ME
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:55 pm

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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:55 pm

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In post 660, Frozen Angel wrote:lets test it somewhere else
...FA, it's the closed aspect that really changed this up

If you mean on another site, that could theoretically work (I don't know the ethics on that, I think it's frowned upon to host those types of things here like that but realistically it could work)

I suspect scum would win, I suspect the win % is like 30% for town, though. 98% is unrealistic
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:55 pm

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In post 665, Firebringer wrote:so aggressive
What do you think of town's chances of winning this setup friend?
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:55 pm

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In post 664, RadiantCowbells wrote:BECAUSE I WANNA GO GRR FITE ME
FITE RC

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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:56 pm

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In post 666, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 660, Frozen Angel wrote:lets test it somewhere else
...FA, it's the closed aspect that really changed this up

If you mean on another site, that could theoretically work (I don't know the ethics on that, I think it's frowned upon to host those types of things here like that but realistically it could work)

I suspect scum would win, I suspect the win % is like 30% for town, though. 98% is unrealistic
97 or 98

Its realistic as fuck :]
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:05 pm

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In post 667, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 665, Firebringer wrote:so aggressive
What do you think of town's chances of winning this setup friend?
i thought it was pretty decent.
i think in my review i said it wasn't balanced but it was definitely the most balanced bastard i ever saw.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:07 pm

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In post 670, Firebringer wrote:
In post 667, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 665, Firebringer wrote:so aggressive
What do you think of town's chances of winning this setup friend?
i thought it was pretty decent.
i think in my review i said it wasn't balanced but it was definitely the most balanced bastard i ever saw.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:08 pm

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REKT FIREBRINGER
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:08 pm

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siriously calling this game balanced as bastard is really annoying

don't do that
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:08 pm

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In post 671, Frozen Angel wrote:bad reviewer
r u joking?
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