Micro 731 | Scumteam UnPick II - Endgame

[Creature]

Votecount 2.4

Votecount 2.4

[0] Kingmaker

[3] Scylla and Charybdis - RadiantCowbells, Kingmaker, TheBrie [LYNCH]

[0] GuiltyLion
[0] TheBrie
[1] RadiantCowbells - Scylla and Charybdis

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: GuiltyLion

5 players are alive, therefore 3 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-08-11 12:26:28)

[Creature]

Scylla and Charybdis has been lynched, their role is

Vanilla Town

.

A win condition has been reached

[Creature]

Kingmaker has been destroned, he was a

Vanilla Town

.

GuiltyLion has been defeated, gis role was

Vanilla Town

.

TheBrie, the

Mafia Goon

, and RadiantCowbells, the

Mafia Goon

, survive and win.

Scum wins the game

[Creature]

Players

Players	Role
Kingmaker	Vanilla Town
Vic Sage	Vanilla Town
Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra)	Vanilla Town
CommKnight	Vanilla Town
GuiltyLion	Vanilla Town
Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos)	Vanilla Town
TheBrie	Mafia Goon
RadiantCowbells	Mafia Goon

Picks

Players	UnPick 1	UnPick 2
Kingmaker	Duckdoggo + RadiantCowbells	GuiltyLion + TheBrie
Vic Sage	GuiltyLion + TheBrie	Scylla and Charybdis + RadiantCowbells
Scylla and Charybdis (hidden heads hydra)	CommKnight + GuiltyLion	Duckdoggo + TheBrie
CommKnight	Vic Sage + GuiltyLion	Kingmaker + TheBrie
GuiltyLion	Kingmaker + TheBrie	Scylla and Charybdis + CommKnight
Duckdoggo (hydra of Carcalilly and Sergtacos)	Scylla and Charybdis + CommKnight	Vic Sage + TheBrie
TheBrie	Kingmaker + GuiltyLion	CommKnight + Duckdoggo
RadiantCowbells	CommKnight + TheBrie	GuiltyLion + Duckdoggo

Private Topics

Mod PT
Mafia PT
Duckdoggo PT (releasing upon both members approval or after (expired on 2017-08-12 18:47:40))
Dead PT

[Creature]

Not particularly satisfied with this change. Maybe I could test a 9p with day 1 flipping only along day 2 and night 1 not being skipped.

[RadiantCowbells]

I honestly think this setup as is is fine.

[RadiantCowbells]

If anything it's townsided tbh

[Creature]

I'm happy that I could do more VCs this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, permission to open scum pt

[Creature]

If anything it's townsided tbh

Yeah, this is what I'm worried about.

[TheBrie]

It's town sided, but we won.

I'm alright with everyone seeing how much RC helped me.

[TheBrie]

I want to see the dead thread.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's town sided, but we won.

I'm alright with everyone seeing how much RC helped me.

9p scumhunter's speed was townsided too but that was a scum win too

[TheBrie]

You messed up the balance, RC.

The chart above reminded me I had flipped my exclusions around. It's a good thing I did, or Comm/Duck would never had been an option.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel bad for Vedith. His scumread on me was abject shit and I still feel like it was basically a policy vote but I get the impression he just knew he was never gonna get me lynched and gave up.

[GuiltyLion]

gah, I suck at this game sometimes. Vedith, I'm sorry for the misread

I thought Brie's play was off compared to my past games with her but she did a good job deflecting the things that were thrown at her. and as usual I can only read RC as scum when he's pushing on me . I need to get better at not getting suckered by people who townread me, it's a big blind spot for me

well played by scum. I'm pretty responsible for this loss so apologies to my fellow townies

[GuiltyLion]

I was considering early on in D2 forcing a Brie/King vote off after it was already clear that one scum was in S&C and RC, but didn't think I had enough time/towncred to really champion it. I think that would have been a better approach in hindsight

[RadiantCowbells]

Vedith's vote was awful. He happened to be town, and right, and I think his Brie scumread may have been somewhat correct (although unless he specifically figured out my methodology and why I wouldn't be risking a mislynch on my partner I think that was just bad logic too: I very rarely never consider my partners for lynches, and haven't in any game Vedith has seen me in) but his play was bad and in a scummy way and he was never really getting me lynched.

[callforjudgement]

This is one of those setups that feels townsided but scum keeps winning anyway.

I'm not quite sure whether that actually means it

is

townsided, or whether it's just that everyone's sense of balance is off.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you should exclude games where I roll scum from consideration with regards to how townsided it is.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, if I'm not wrong, this is 1 town win 1 scum win

[callforjudgement]

Ah right, I forgot how the first one went. (Here it is, it was indeed a town win.) Both games came down to the typical close endgame that you'd expect from a balanced setup, though.

[Regfan]

Grats to the scum team, was contemplating taking that Duck slot but ultimately decided it wasn't a game I wanted to commit too.

This is one of those setups that feels townsided but scum keeps winning anyway.

I'm not quite sure whether that actually means it

is

townsided, or whether it's just that everyone's sense of balance is off.

I too think the setup is townsided fwiw, that said I think if you were to do an actual study of the site in the last ~12 months or so you'll find scum are probably winning in excess of 60%, possibly even 65% of games overall mostly due to their own fault. Lots of bad play and lynches based on what I wouldn't even call 'reasoning' at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think it's that bad

[Vedith]

When you made up false meta on me RC, I knew you were scum. We both know that I kill you if you're town and I'm scum, and that push on how I play scum was terrible.
And as soon as I re read the game you and Brie were so obvious scum it hurt. As soon as I realised King and GL didn't want to re read the game there was no point from there.

GG anyway.

Thanks Creature for modding.