Micro 759: Tarot uPick III - Game Over!

[nancy]

i don't think that the fact that he thinks that / says it itt is alignment indicative; i think that the emotional response to a townread is though

can you link your points? the read is mostly based off gut/experience things

Which emotional response are you talking about in particular?

Think the emotion displayed in 57 is pretty null in that he's not responding to a read that he's invested in at all, it's just him feeling strongly about his idea that townreads shouldn't be talked about and in my experience he displays the same feeling about theory like this in his scumgame. Then there's 64 which I think is pretty joking in tone and also not a response to a read that he shares/doesn't share so again not looking alignment indicative to me.

Went over drealmer in 179.

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

It varies (depending on my level of engagement/frustration).

-V

[Dunkerdoodles]

can i ask why there aren't any votes?
like, maybe it's normal but people are usually throwing out votes just to get some activity.
maybe this game doesn't need this cause it's already decently active but it's still strange imo

[Porkens]

V, what's the correlation?

Dunk, I love it! Makes us all seem more sophisticated.

[Dunkerdoodles]

eh i guess
does it make me look nooby cause i'm voting then?

[Porkens]

Why LUV over drealmer?

While drealmerz' initial "guess I rolled town, hahaha, must be a curse, wish I was scum, lol, too bad I am town" schtick had me rolling my eyes, the tone of his play reminds me a lot of previous games I've been in where he ended up as town.

Little Uzi, however, despite being among the top posters, has very little content and has actively been disengaging without giving a ton of reason why.

Hmm yes. I agree. High volume of unnecessary posts, the only person to deny all questions, does care greatly about motivation, but does not want to ask nancy why they asked the questions, quite a bit general theory talk, and only one read.

Acid

nancy on general tonal things from a cursory iso skim

dreal also for tonal things but with actual specifics
the Nancy dayvig stunt and how he did it / talked with Nancy after is imo villagery, the "don't say your townreads" is probably only said in context like that from a villager, and same for how he handled rqs discussion w luv

These tonal things mentioned warrant more explanations. Detailed explanations.

This seems forced and disingenuous and a touch hypocritical.


Dunk, lil bit

[Porkens]

porkens what if I told you that I somehow didnt consciously recognize the fact that I had to read people and make posts until you posted the lurker comment

I don't know; that would be a strange thing to tell me.

[Yetichain]

Oh no I guess I look nooby too hey Dunkers, nice to see you again.

I'd say that I'm fairly engaged. At the very least, I'm reading every post and responding to what I feel needs it.
You seem to be pretty quick on prodding players and trying to get movement happening, which is cool. What's your beef with porkens? You say 'iffy feelings', but I'd like you to go into more detail, if you can.

-V

Indeed!

I have the feeling that Porkens would be silly as either alignment, so I don't really feel inclined to townread them off that. But some of their posts seem overly guarded to me. Maybe guarded isn't the best word. Cautious? 88, 90 kind of show what I mean, like a feeler then a quick back off. I liked the surface of 187 but the motivation felt more like it was trying to keep NK15 off their back after 184. Little things like that.

nks play seems like his v play; probably v but could be mimicky

Hi acid! I saw this and thought it was interesting. What in particular looks like his town play?
Also what is mimicky?


-Key

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

V, what's the correlation?

Dunk, I love it! Makes us all seem more sophisticated.

Nancy's droppin a lotta words on me, so I gotta do it back in kind.

@Yetichain:

Why does being guarded make you think porkens is scum, though? Where's the scum motivation to be guarded there?

Time to put my money where my mouth is.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

-V

[Dunkerdoodles]

uh hi
do i know you?
i've probably played with you i just don't remember sorry

[Dunkerdoodles]

i like porkens so far tbh but that's just me

[acidphoenix]

Oh no I guess I look nooby too hey Dunkers, nice to see you again.

I'd say that I'm fairly engaged. At the very least, I'm reading every post and responding to what I feel needs it.
You seem to be pretty quick on prodding players and trying to get movement happening, which is cool. What's your beef with porkens? You say 'iffy feelings', but I'd like you to go into more detail, if you can.

-V

Indeed!

I have the feeling that Porkens would be silly as either alignment, so I don't really feel inclined to townread them off that. But some of their posts seem overly guarded to me. Maybe guarded isn't the best word. Cautious? 88, 90 kind of show what I mean, like a feeler then a quick back off. I liked the surface of 187 but the motivation felt more like it was trying to keep NK15 off their back after 184. Little things like that.

nks play seems like his v play; probably v but could be mimicky

Hi acid! I saw this and thought it was interesting. What in particular looks like his town play?
Also what is mimicky?


-Key

the way he's going for explanations for everything and taking things at face value for scumhunting, plus superficial similarity
mimicky = deliberately mimicking his town meta

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

uh hi
do i know you?
i've probably played with you i just don't remember sorry

My main account is Varsoon. I mostly moderate games.
I don't recognize your username at all, though.

-V

[acidphoenix]

@nancy i meant 57

can you link to a dreal scumgame then? if he does it like that as scum too then meh, but it feels like he would have just not thought it to bring up immediately / loudly

[nancy]

can i ask why there aren't any votes?
like, maybe it's normal but people are usually throwing out votes just to get some activity.
maybe this game doesn't need this cause it's already decently active but it's still strange imo

You're probably not going to see me put down a vote until I'm ready to lynch someone so likely near EoD.

[nancy]

eh i guess
does it make me look nooby cause i'm voting then?

Totally. Shaaaame.

[Jabarkas Mayonnaise]

I'm not a fan of discouraging people to use their vote; it's the only realistic pressure that a player can exert.

-V

[nancy]

@nancy i meant 57

can you link to a dreal scumgame then? if he does it like that as scum too then meh, but it feels like he would have just not thought it to bring up immediately / loudly

Am probably mostly thinking of Nightman Cometh where he was pretty vocal about how he believed mafia should be played, refreshing myself on his games more though I think you may have something of a point about his ISO generally in that I'm not seeing that same kind of emphasis being thrown around casually in his scumgames; maybe the tiniest bit +town if I want to be generous. Definitely not seeing him anything close to obvious town here and ftr he's faked a dayvig as mafia before even if it looks like the manner in which he did it here is what you're townreading.

But at this point I feel like I'm arguing too much for him being a nullread.

[nancy]

i like porkens so far tbh but that's just me

Any posts in particular that you like more or less than others?

[Dunkerdoodles]

i like porkens so far tbh but that's just me

Any posts in particular that you like more or less than others?

mainly the tone, doesn't feel overly aggressive, i think it's pretty townie

[Porkens]

Since the thread has exploded...
Porkens:71 Townread and no explanation? Give one. Now.
85 Explain that post. What made you do it? Why did you post that?
Dunker:51Explain your townreads right now. Given what I know about the accuracy of your reads and your playstyle: It is usually anti-town regardless of alignment and your reads are wildly inaccurate. So why are they locktown to you?
drealmerz7:You have a strong scumread on Nancy. Explain that scumread as soon as possible. You had a fake dayvig.
I also notice you have a high number of useless posts

that unneccessarily drive the post count up

. Fix that.
Jabarkas Mayonnaise:10 Explain yourself: Was that a townread or a joke?
Jarbakas Mayonaise has a high number of posts talking about theory and player setup. Literally nothing else! That is highly suspicious. Really. No investment into real scumhunting.
Acid:Not enough info yet.
Nancy: Why are you asking these questions? I have not seen the answer yet. Answer that question now!
LUV: You don't care about motivation? What??? That is highly suspicious.
Yeti: I like your posts so far.

Based on that, my two top scumreads are Jabarkas Mayonnaise and LUV. However, before I vote I'd like to see some answers to my questions. If I don't get any answers my reads will not change favourably.

Hey game:
Can anyone convince me that this is a town post?

[Yetichain]

I don't think I can, it wasn't exactly the epitome of towniness, but I'd much prefer to see if they settle a bit.

uh hi
do i know you?
i've probably played with you i just don't remember sorry

I played scum against you in Titus's Old Music Playlist Mafia. I was in a hydra with NotTheRealPaul under the name Penn and Teller.

@Yetichain:

Why does being guarded make you think porkens is scum, though? Where's the scum motivation to be guarded there?

Scum need to hide their informedness, so are likely to be more careful and less free with their words than they would be as town.


-Key

[Porkens]

I was trying not to feed the rolefisher, if that's what it was.

[acidphoenix]

I don't think it's a competent townpost

unfortunately, that descriptor does not bar it from looking like what (to my memory) nks play looks like

[Porkens]

Keychain, how did transcend know you were scrum in dinner party?